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2011 Ford Edge Limiited comparison High mileage Low mileage DIY

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#41 OFFLINE   macbwt

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Posted 20 June 2015 - 03:50 PM

Why does it take about 6.5 hours to work on brakes?  Let's just say Lullubelle does not like anyone working around her rear end.   Front brakes and Flushing was easy.  Rear rotors and pads nothing but trouble trouble trouble trouble..............  Learned some tricks and let me tell you those noise dampers are a *(&(^(*&&)(*&   I need say no more. The engineer who came up with the idea of putting a bolt into another bolt ought to be taken to the stocks and flogged relentlessly.  I will work on the video and on top of it all MG developed an attitude when things became tedious.  She is good now, bought her pizza and all is better.   All I can say is I planned 3 hours or so and ended up being double the time.  Good news is the brakes work and yes I even verified that the noise dampeners do work because I had brake noise on the right rear since it is missing the dampener. 


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Posted 20 June 2015 - 06:16 PM

Hopefully not a sign of things to come!



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Posted 20 June 2015 - 07:08 PM

After reviewing the video.  I will admit the broken bolt is my fault righty tighty lefty lousy.  Ya switch side back and forth then bam you do it wrong.  Ordering a new dampener with bolt then will replace it.   The brake pads were a total screw up by the clerk at Autozone.  Watching the video I have determined that my camera is having issues focusing so it will not be the best in some areas.  Someday will have to get a new camera.


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Posted 20 June 2015 - 11:06 PM

Keep that camera lens clean, it's got lots of work left to do!



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Posted 21 June 2015 - 07:45 AM

Reviewing video for brake work and due to multiple issues I believe it will be broken into segments.  Brake bleed/flush then rear brakes and finally the front brakes.  Due to all the issues with the rear brakes the front brake video is a bit less detail than I would of liked and focus issues also developed. Essentially not our best work.  Breaking out a standby camera and will see if it works out better for us in the future since it is a full HD video camera it should help some.  I apologize ahead of time for the (what I think is poor quality) video.  Hopefully it does end up helping gain an idea of what you need to do when working on the brakes on the 2011 and other newer Edge models.


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Posted 21 June 2015 - 02:22 PM

Happy Fathers Day to all the other Dad's out there!!!

 

Out of chaos comes information.  I broke the Low Frequency Damper on the passenger side of the rear caliper.  Not one car parts store even knows what this part is (leave it to me to break something like this)   One clerk even thought I was messing with her and inventing the part.   I may end up going to the dealer for this even though it is a raybestos part available on the market.

 

Another good thing is I got a new video camera for Fathers Day.  Surprise Surprise.   Can not wait to try it out and the first video will be of me installing the new (you guessed it) Low frequency noise damper on Lullubelle.  Which reminds me I have afternoon time set to watch the movie again.  Enjoy your fathers day folks.


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Posted 21 June 2015 - 02:25 PM

Happy Father's Day, mac, and congrats on the surprise gift :)



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Posted 22 June 2015 - 02:21 PM

OK Then, after my lack of knowledge lead to me causing unneeded damage to the caliper pins on the rear brakes I am ready to make amends.  I have purchased two new brake caliper kits by motorcraft at the dealer since no one else seems to carry the parts and most parts stores are rather ignorant in the knowledge of low frequency dampers on the ford edge.  The kit numbers are BKCOE-26 or BT4Z-2386-A both of these numbers are on the plastic bag.  I will show the bags in the video.

 

This video will show how to remove the low freqency dampers correctly then the studs and caliper pin. The it will show the proper reassembly of the entire system.  Once I figured it out it all made some sense.  Anyway for those that are interested I will be performing this tomorrow since my brakes are more or less held together with string, duct tape, bubble gum and some spit and a little bit of my blood for good measure.  I will get to try out the new camera in the process.  By the way the kits are about 11 dollars and change for each one and they supply both caliper pins, new rubber boots and the stud assembly required for the noise damper.  The noise damper is an additional 25 dollars if you destroy that and it takes over three days to get it in via Ford.  Longer or about the same for the autoparts stores if you can convince the clerk that a low frequency damper actually is a real part.


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Posted 22 June 2015 - 03:41 PM

I feel your pain on getting Ford parts in the Quad-Cities. I lived there for 35 years. I had the best luck walking in the back door at Sexton's and getting/taking Wholesale plus tax, plus they seemed to stock a more varied selection of parts. None of the dealers on the Iowa side would stock anything, everything was special order.

Comment on brake rotors/drums. They are cast iron. Either gray iron or ductile/nodular iron depending on the application. Steel of ANY type makes terrible brake disks/drums.

Bit of advice for you. Get a pint bottle of Permatex anti-sieze compound and use it liberally when you reassemble your vehicles from repair/service. Just about completely eliminates parts rusting together. Saves a ton of time on the next repair of that component.

I've got a 1996 F-250 regular cab 4wd pickup with Power stroke diesel and manual 5-speed trans I ordered out special in March 1996, waited thirteen weeks for it to come in to the dealer, and was my daily driver for nine years till I semiretired it in 2005. Truck had around 250,000-260,000 miles on it by then, has 301,000 on it now. Nineteen Wisconsin winters has caused corrosion issues on a couple fuel and brake lines but that issue is almost resolved now. I still prefer to drive it over any other vehicle. Not sure how much longer I will be able to keep the old girl running, truck will turn 19 years this Saturday. Trick to wrapping up Big miles on a vehicle is to protect them from rust and put the miles on FAST!

Ohhhh, and cabin air filters, the one in my 2006 Volvo S40 is still the factory original filter, car was placed in service June 28, 2005, so TEN years old.
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Posted 22 June 2015 - 04:44 PM

I painted the hubs with the permatex.  One thing was the rust on them then you have aluminum and steel meshed together on the wheels and those two metals tend to want to mesh/weld themselves together since they are opposing materials they react poorly.   This is why the Navy uses rubber or similar type materials as a buffer between the aluminum super structures and the steel deck on the ships. 

 

BTW you will see the permatex in the video liberally applied.

 

I did witness what happens to cast iron after a runaway oven accident. It literally heats the cast iron.

 

Yep with maintenance the vehicle will run a long time if it was a good design (note the Orange Crush mileage)  a Chevy Trailblazer on the other hand is a very large weight designed to cause the roadway to sink from not being able to move under it's own power.

 

I feel your pain on getting Ford parts in the Quad-Cities. I lived there for 35 years. I had the best luck walking in the back door at Sexton's and getting/taking Wholesale plus tax, plus they seemed to stock a more varied selection of parts. None of the dealers on the Iowa side would stock anything, everything was special order.

Comment on brake rotors/drums. They are cast iron. Either gray iron or ductile/nodular iron depending on the application. Steel of ANY type makes terrible brake disks/drums.

Bit of advice for you. Get a pint bottle of Permatex anti-sieze compound and use it liberally when you reassemble your vehicles from repair/service. Just about completely eliminates parts rusting together. Saves a ton of time on the next repair of that component.

I've got a 1996 F-250 regular cab 4wd pickup with Power stroke diesel and manual 5-speed trans I ordered out special in March 1996, waited thirteen weeks for it to come in to the dealer, and was my daily driver for nine years till I semiretired it in 2005. Truck had around 250,000-260,000 miles on it by then, has 301,000 on it now. Nineteen Wisconsin winters has caused corrosion issues on a couple fuel and brake lines but that issue is almost resolved now. I still prefer to drive it over any other vehicle. Not sure how much longer I will be able to keep the old girl running, truck will turn 19 years this Saturday. Trick to wrapping up Big miles on a vehicle is to protect them from rust and put the miles on FAST!

Ohhhh, and cabin air filters, the one in my 2006 Volvo S40 is still the factory original filter, car was placed in service June 28, 2005, so TEN years old.

 

to a point that it burns the carbon content and other impurities out of the cast iron and leaves it with pitted hollow shell that is very light weight afterwards with a large molten lump of steel on the floor. It was a very interesting reaction. 


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Posted 22 June 2015 - 09:11 PM

Today was Blueberry's turn at the dealership for MomOSHA to learn about MFT.  The dealer instructor went through everything and set up the web page for access. He noted it needed an update to the software and scheduled an appointment for later today.   I then went home and set about activation of the Sirius radio which I soon discovered with the sirius attendant that the system in Blueberry did not match the system installed originally with Blueberry. Once the vin# and radio matching was configured I deducted that the APIM must have been diagnosed as bad and replaced.   I then activated the upload of the vehicle health and when I returned the attendant went to update the software via usb and discovered that the software had already been updated to the latest version.   He then confirmed this via the vehicle web page that I had activated and uploaded into the data.   This confirms the APIM in Blueberry was also replaced with a new APIM and the software updated.  Overall everything is working well and all set.  Now I wonder how much of it all my wife will remember?  LOL

 

This discovery could be helpful if you are buying a used 2011-2012 Ford Edge and the sales person does not know if the APIM has been replaced.  simply call Sirius and they would tell you that the radio id number does not match the vin# which confirms the APIM has been removed and replaced with another unit.


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Posted 23 June 2015 - 02:47 PM

I jumped ahead of myself and went to install the new rear brake caliper pin kits in Lullubelle.  I used the new camera to video the installation and also recorded the removal and installation of the Low Frequency Dampers (how to) video.  MG was off having fun so the whole video is via tripod and static.   I searched around and nothing on this type of repair on the ford edge and the Low Frequency Damper info is also rather sparse.  Video is rendering now and with the new camera the file size has increased so it should take a bit of time to upload.  Most likely up and running tomorrow.



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Posted 23 June 2015 - 05:22 PM

Here is the video on the removal and installation of a rear brake caliper pin kit and the removal and installation of the Low Frequency Dampers on the 2011 through 2014 Ford Edge, Ford Escapes etc. Not much out on the web on this so I can pretty much say this is nearly a first on this.

 


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Posted 23 June 2015 - 07:17 PM

Now the two person brake line bleeding of Lullubelle with MercyGirl on the brake pedal.  I'll teach her about cars yet.   Not the best video as the camera was having issues focusing and I actually lost some video because it is so out of focus.  I salvaged what I could to create this video.  Hope it helps someone that wants to bleed the brake lines on any vehicle really as it is pretty much the same for most vehicles.


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Posted 24 June 2015 - 02:21 PM

400 miles today and those new brakes are smooth.  Glad I was able to get them installed for today's trip.



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Posted 24 June 2015 - 08:27 PM

Was holding my breath, now I can relax :)



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Posted 24 June 2015 - 08:31 PM

Moog sent me a ball cap. LOL I knew it.  Got some stickers too.  I figure I will sneek over to Akirby's driveway and plaster Moog stickers and K&N stickers all over the rear window of both of his Edges. LOL


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Posted 24 June 2015 - 08:32 PM

As long as you video this latest effort.


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Posted 24 June 2015 - 08:32 PM

4 wheel brake video is uploading.  Only 692 minutes to go. Good night!



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Posted 24 June 2015 - 08:33 PM

Does he own dogs? LOL

 

 

As long as you video this latest effort.







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