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2007 AWD suspension refresh - help with parts


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#21 OFFLINE   WWWPerfA_ZN0W

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Posted 23 December 2015 - 12:58 AM

Did you get the alignment done?  If so, have it re-checked.  Does the Edge pull/drift/wander with hands off the steering wheel?









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Posted 23 December 2015 - 09:12 PM

That is great news and yes new suspension parts make the difference.  Just a thought. I hope you swapped the tires from front to back and not front to front.  Also check to make sure the snow tires are NOT DIRECTIONAL and the rotation is correct.  If they are directional then you need to fix that by swapping the tires or having them remounted.  You sure the tires are on tight?  Bad rim that now shows up with new suspension.   Have an alignment performed then see if it corrects the wabbly wabbly wabbit

Picked the Edge up today.  Wow!  It's so much quieter on the road and over rough surfaces.  Also feels far more planted and does not float around at speed.  He didn't end up replacing the sway bar bushings as he said they looked new and it would be a waste.  So, I can return those and collect $30 back.  All in, I had $742 in parts, including the two new Moog LCA's.  Labor was $450.  So, just under $1,200 and it's completely refreshed. 

 

The only issue I ran into was a slight wobble in the steering wheel.  If I let go of it around 45-60mph, it slightly wobbles.  It wasn't doing that when I took it in.  Also, I swapped the snow tires on it and it was still doing it.  It's very slight.  Normally I would suspect a tire/wheel that's not balanced, but swapping the snow tires on eliminates that theory.  Perhaps it goes away as it settles, or with the alignment?  Any thoughts on that?

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Posted 24 December 2015 - 06:36 AM

Thanks for the reply! I had the alignment performed - camber was out causing it to pull left. That's been corrected - no pull. Got the tires balanced - road force figures are around 17lbs and the rim runout was fine. Tires are installed correctly, too. Lugs tight as well.

Around 72-80mph I get an odd wobbling of the steering wheel that comes and goes. One moment, no wobble. The next, a very slight wobble you can see and feel in the wheel. Smooth roads, too. Very odd. Condition was not there before this work.

Possible that everything is tight up there and it needs to settle in? Not sure. Look forward to everyone's thoughts!

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Posted 24 December 2015 - 06:41 AM

Could just be normal tire behavior as well.  Per mac's suggestion, you could try having the tires/wheels rotated right away, see if that's them, maybe the balance could be slightly off if not roadforce balanced.


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Posted 24 December 2015 - 09:23 PM

The tires actually were roadforce balanced - 17lbs up front.  So, that's well within tolerance.  The odd thing is that the condition was NOT there before all of this work.  Could it be faulty parts, or installation?

Suggestions?

 

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Posted 25 December 2015 - 12:40 PM

Or just a plain bad tire, separated belts



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Posted 25 December 2015 - 09:04 PM

How would that explain it not being there before this work being done? It was completely smooth before this work was done. Confusing to me how it could suddenly be a bad tire. Am I missing something here? Thanks!

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Posted 26 December 2015 - 10:42 AM

Things can get confusing.  The wabble you talk about.  Does it occur 1) When accelerating 2) when decelerating 3) when coasting 4) when braking 5) when not braking 6) when turning right at highs speed  7) when turning left at high speed.   Many questions and many symptoms associated with this.  Were tires remounted to balance?   Were snow tires installed? if so were they installed in the rotation required by the manufacturer.   Also did this wabble occur after a snow fall?   IF so the most common thing is snow or mud dirt in the wheels and a simple power wash at the car wash would fix that.



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Posted 26 December 2015 - 10:48 AM

I can not help but come back to the snow tires.  What brand and type?   Just to be certain on this.  Keep in mind the tires you buy can make a world of difference in the ride and handling.   Also note snow tires are not high speed performance tires for the most part and this is especially true the cheaper you go in price. 



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Posted 26 December 2015 - 10:53 AM

Car was taken to the mechanic on OEM rims and Bridgestone Aleza Plus tires with approximately 6k of wear.  Even wear and rode smoothly up to 85mph, which the car never sees when my wife drives.  Even then, it only shook a tiny bit. 

 

Had all of the above suspension work performed and drove home on the same tire (Bridgestone) and wheel (OEM) setup.  Noticed a slight shimmy in the wheel at 55mph, but it went away after 10min.  I think the tires had flat spotted just a bit.  Once home, I removed the stock tires/rims and installed my other set of rims that have the snow tires on them.  Drove to have the alignment performed and noticed that the steering wheel would shake around 70-80mph.  The odd thing is that it would come and go.  I.E., I could set the cruise at 72mph and, over the same smooth road, it would shimmy for 5-10sec. and then slowly stop and stay smooth for 10-15sec.  Then it would repeat.  Again, this went on for 10-15miles on smooth interstate travel on my way to have the alignment set. 

The separate rims/snow tires were road force balanced to around 17lbs on both front tires.  The rear are higher - around 22 and 30lbs.  What's odd is that I don't feel anything in the seat of my pants.  After the balancing was done, I noticed the vibration in a similar speed range - maybe now it's 72-80mph.  Still, the condition persists - driving along the interstate on smooth roads and for 10-15sec. you can see the steering wheel shake a bit.  It's not horrible, but you can see and feel it.  Then, it goes perfectly smooth.  This "cycling" will go on and on.

 

There is no debris on the wheels/rims, I looked.  The only thing that really changed here was the suspension work.  I suppose I could throw the Bridgestones on and see what I get.  If it continues to vibrate, then that certainly would point to it NOT being a wheel/tire issue.

Does this detail help?

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Posted 26 December 2015 - 02:37 PM

The snow tires are General Altimax Artic.  I've run Blizzaks, and still do on my Explorer; however, these were highly rated and got good reviews around the web, so I gave them a try.  I can tell you that when we ran them last year, I did not have an issue with a shaking steering wheel.  Now, they were rotated around this time, so that could have exposed a bad tire, but I have a hard time believing it when the road force figures are 17lbs in the front and there is little weight on the rim.  One rim in the back drivers side has nearly 5 oz of weight on it!  WOW!

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Posted 26 December 2015 - 05:06 PM

I guess we'll see if your theory is correct, MAC! :)  I just called Discount Tire, where I got the General's from.  Told them what's going on and they are taking them back.  Even paying to ship them back.  They sold me a set of Blizzak's DM V2's for $100 more.  Not thrilled about the $100, but I've never run across a bad Blizzak before! ;) 

Have to wait until after New Year's for them to arrive.  Stay tuned...

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Posted 20 December 2016 - 09:22 AM

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I drove our 2010 AWD with just shy of 111,000 miles this morning and noticed the steering wheel is off center to the left and is pulling to the right, guess its time to rebuild the suspension I changed the shocks and struts over the summer and had an alignment done at the same time.

 

What else should I look for and change during this process?

 

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Posted 23 December 2016 - 07:29 PM

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I drove our 2010 AWD with just shy of 111,000 miles this morning and noticed the steering wheel is off center to the left and is pulling to the right, guess its time to rebuild the suspension I changed the shocks and struts over the summer and had an alignment done at the same time.

 

What else should I look for and change during this process?

 

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Lower Control Arms and ball joints most likely



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Posted 15 January 2017 - 10:20 PM

What was the outcome here if you don't mind me asking? Was it the tires?



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Posted 18 January 2017 - 10:09 AM

Lower Control Arms and ball joints most likely

 

I took it to two different shops, both said everything is tight and looks good, the left rear was a few degrees out of alignment. We did hit what I thought was a small pot hole a few days before I noticed the steering wheel and alignment issues. Can these parts look and feel normal but need changed?


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Posted 19 January 2017 - 01:44 AM

If they were able to align the front and rear with out issue then the parts may be in good shape. However I have had alignments performed with bad ball joints on the lower control arms and the shop said everything is good.  Trust but verify the ball joints and check the bushings in the lower control arms for deformations or cracks.  Check swaybar links for broken links and sway bar bushings.  Struts and shocks are pretty much worn out by 100K miles so changing them will provide a better platform for alignment.


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