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Motortrend SUV of the year issue - January


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#1 OFFLINE   GT500R

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Posted 08 December 2015 - 10:44 PM

So I received the January 2016 issue of Motortrend and started reading the specs on the Edge Sport they tested.

 

0-60: 5.7s

1/4 mile: 14.3 @ 96 mph

 

Some comments:

 - Generally quiet interior

 - Liked folding / reclining / one-touch folding rear seats

 - Sync was a bit slow

 - Ton of interior rattles to match (lol)

 - FAST!

 

But what caught my eye is the Lincoln MKX

 

335 hp and 380 lbs torque

 

0-60: 6.4

1/4 mile: 14.7 @ 94 mph

 

Which begs the question, why so much slower?  MT advised it was due to 200 plus (224 lbs) pound weight penalty was why it was so much slower.... interesting, the .4 would maybe be 400 lbs difference, but I think there is more to it..maybe trans gearing?

 

 

PS - Volvo XC90 won the SUV of the year.  Styling is OK, but meh...









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#2 ONLINE   WWWPerfA_ZN0W

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Posted 08 December 2015 - 10:55 PM

Assuming similar test conditions, probably PCM programming to provide a "smoother" experience, making the MKX a tad slower as a byproduct.



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Posted 08 December 2015 - 11:07 PM

Yes they were all tested at once. And adjusted to same conditions - SAEs J1349 procedure as a guide to correct all test results to standard operating conditions of 77 degrees F, 29.32 inches mercury barometric pressure, and zero-percent humidity

I guess the extra ho and tq didn't make up for the weight at all interestingly enough.

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Posted 08 December 2015 - 11:07 PM

I remember this came up a while ago and I don't think we ever decided on a definitive answer. Was quite a bit of debate on that the actual curb weights were (listed differently all over the interwebs).

 

Maybe heavier wheel/tire combo on the MKX or other significant unsprung weight differences?

 

As you know GT500R, the answer is just put on the Livernois tune and go  :)



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Posted 09 December 2015 - 02:04 AM

I'd guess it is also because of the tranny. As far as I remember, the torque limit was 350 lb-ft for the 6F55 transmission. Which was supposed to be the reason why the FWD based 3.5 Ecoboost engines were all limited to 350lb-ft of torque. I was surprised to see them announce the MKX with 335hp & 380lb-ft, more than even the RWD based F-150 (325/375). So it the PCM might be cutting off power considerable at shift points to protect the transmission.

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 04:40 AM

The 6F55 trans can easily handle 500-550 lb.ft of torque (crank) in a daily driver.  Plenty of vehicles around as proof.  Now, the 6F50 trans used with the non-Ecoboost 3.5 is definitely not as strong, but what the limit is there is hard to say (insufficient data).



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Posted 09 December 2015 - 08:05 AM

I remember reading all about that testing and who won the SUV of the year and came away from it feeling less than satisfied.  Not because I was wanting the Edge to do well, but that Ford in general has been dogged so much by Sync 2.  If that is the worse thing you have to say then I'm not sure that should count for that much.  I have enjoyed Sync 2 for the most part.  Can it be better, absolutely, but it is not the dog they make it out to be...

 

Does the magazine go more into the reviews and testing than the youtube videos?  If so I may have to buy the Mag... 


Edited by chicagoslick, 09 December 2015 - 10:05 AM.


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Posted 09 December 2015 - 09:03 AM

I'd guess the as tested weights were more than 224 lbs different - lots of heavy options on most MKXs.  Plus torque management.   Also the MKX requires premium gas to get those numbers - if they used regular that would account for some of it.

 

Don't put any stock in the winner of any of the MT "OTY" contests.   It's all about the marketing plan and how the winner plans to advertise the award and not the technical merits of the vehicles.



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Posted 09 December 2015 - 09:18 AM

I was looking at the Volvo SC90 before I ordered my 2016 Edge, but it was going to be far too expensive.

 

Nice car, but for many of the same bells and whistles, the Edge Titanium is much better value.



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Posted 09 December 2015 - 10:07 AM

I'd guess the as tested weights were more than 224 lbs different - lots of heavy options on most MKXs.  Plus torque management.   Also the MKX requires premium gas to get those numbers - if they used regular that would account for some of it.

 

Don't put any stock in the winner of any of the MT "OTY" contests.   It's all about the marketing plan and how the winner plans to advertise the award and not the technical merits of the vehicles.

 

Agree....

 

Now the one thing I recall them praising the MKX about was the Revel sound system.  I think one of the guys, who tested, said it was one of the best systems he had ever heard in an automobile....

 

I actually looked at the MKX and thought I might get one.  After looking at it in person I thought the styling was too bland for my taste.  


Edited by chicagoslick, 09 December 2015 - 10:09 AM.


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Posted 09 December 2015 - 02:01 PM

what are the gear ratios in the MKX compared to the Edge Sport? I am guessing that the gears  have closer ratios in the Sport to make it accelerate faster, while the gears are more spread out in the MKX to improve mileage...



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Posted 09 December 2015 - 06:12 PM

My wife and I test drove a 2.7 MKX and I was very confused....with the added hp and torque I thought it would have been quick, but compared to the sport it was quite subdued.  

 

One of my tests was acceleration from 60 kph to 90kph....the sport would hit hard and pull like a beast.....and the MKX was un-inspired...it pulled ok, but did not incite any adrenaline rush like the sport. 


Edited by cds71, 09 December 2015 - 06:17 PM.


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Posted 09 December 2015 - 07:55 PM

My wife and I test drove a 2.7 MKX and I was very confused....with the added hp and torque I thought it would have been quick, but compared to the sport it was quite subdued.  
 
One of my tests was acceleration from 60 kph to 90kph....the sport would hit hard and pull like a beast.....and the MKX was un-inspired...it pulled ok, but did not incite any adrenaline rush like the sport.


That is the entire point of the luxury car market for the vast majority of people. They don't want that large jump or the throw back feel but they want adaquite acceleration. As some of the very high end car manufacturers quote their hp and tq figures to be "adaquate"...

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 08:26 PM

I think the real measure of the car of the year is how well it sells.  No comparison here.   Edge outsells them all.  Good looking and popular, I should be so lucky.



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Posted 11 December 2015 - 12:07 PM

some of the very high end car manufacturers quote their hp and tq figures to be "adaquate"...

That's just because those numbers are pathetic, simple as that.



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Posted 11 December 2015 - 12:32 PM

Of the luxury SUV's, I tested just about all of them. The only ones that felt inspired or sporty were the QX50(almost sports car like, just no interior space), MB GLA45 AMG(small again, but a rocket ship and that exhaust note is beyond satisfying), BMW X1/X3 3.5i models,(the smaller engine ones felt boring) and RR Evoque(not as fast as the others just was a fun vehicle). All Lexus offerings were sluggish and sloppy on the road, Acura felt refined but boring, and their seats do not fit a 6'5" guy like myself very well. Have never had trust for Audi/VW and the model that interested me was outside my price range(Same with porcshe). Ended up choosing the Edge Sport as it felt every bit as equipped as the luxury offerings but still has that raw American power feel I love. 



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Posted 11 December 2015 - 12:35 PM

2015 Ford Edge - poor man's X5, I saw a youtube video with that title



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Posted 11 December 2015 - 12:50 PM

2015 Ford Edge - poor man's X5, I saw a youtube video with that title


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Posted 13 December 2015 - 07:46 PM

Same size tires?

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Posted 14 December 2015 - 05:50 AM

It looks like the X5 had a 255 as the more common tire same as stock but if you option for the 21" wheels you have a 265. On the other side of that if they option for the 20" wheels they get 275 up front and 315 in the back




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