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#21 OFFLINE   Nick Halstead

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Posted 09 August 2016 - 08:14 AM

alright, I'm going to use my buddy Bills pic for this cause he captured all 3 of them. I shouldn't even have to explain why this is bad, you can tell just from looking at it.

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Here's my OEM HID Foreground Cutoff. PNP can't do this, Should be ZERO light from headlights in that box
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Look at the wall, a straight line of light.
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try this link too

 

https://www.facebook...95635690658025/


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#22 OFFLINE   Nick Halstead

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Posted 09 August 2016 - 08:26 AM

and this is probably the next mod on my EDGE, yes even factory HID systems can be upgraded.
https://www.theretro...ml#.V6nZn5grLIU


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#23 OFFLINE   Tjm623

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Posted 09 August 2016 - 10:02 AM

The pictures are in half of threads you frequent telling people their lights look bad after doing the mod. I'm not going to search through them to find them all.

#24 OFFLINE   TheWizard

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Posted 09 August 2016 - 01:26 PM

where are these pics? I haven't seen any that show the same cutoff with no bleeding light and no foreground light. 
actually I posted a video of a HID BULB IN A HALOGEN PROJECTOR Vs a HID bulb in a HID Projector.

 

That's not the point... nobody is arguing that HID in an HID projector isn't superior to other combinations.  What we're saying is that HID in a halogen projector is an acceptable alternative for far less money.  You can see even in your last post that the halogen and HID in halogen have the same pattern.  Granted, the hot spots with the HIDs are brighter and more noticeable because of their greater output but a good halogen projector shouldn't have had the hot spots in the first place (and the Edge projectors I've converted didn't have them).

 

I think you're confusing theoretical best configuration with practical usage.  I have never seen HIDs in good halogen projectors that are unacceptable for road usage... they may not be the absolute best configuration for maximum usable light but they are head and shoulders above the original halogen output without significant issues of light scatter and glare (I don't count your latest photo as being "good" projectors) and they are much more affordable.  Your comments that someone would be better off staying with halogen are simply absurd.



#25 OFFLINE   Nick Halstead

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Posted 09 August 2016 - 01:35 PM

That's not the point... nobody is arguing that HID in an HID projector isn't superior to other combinations.  What we're saying is that HID in a halogen projector is an acceptable alternative for far less money.  You can see even in your last post that the halogen and HID in halogen have the same pattern.  Granted, the hot spots with the HIDs are brighter and more noticeable because of their greater output but a good halogen projector shouldn't have had the hot spots in the first place (and the Edge projectors I've converted didn't have them).
 
I think you're confusing theoretical best configuration with practical usage.  I have never seen HIDs in good halogen projectors that are unacceptable for road usage... they may not be the absolute best configuration for maximum usable light but they are head and shoulders above the original halogen output without significant issues of light scatter and glare (I don't count your latest photo as being "good" projectors) and they are much more affordable.  Your comments that someone would be better off staying with halogen are simply absurd.

You sound like someone more concerned about making $ than safely driving. Then again I believe you're the same person who says PNP LED is even better.

The pictures are in half of threads you frequent telling people their lights look bad after doing the mod. I'm not going to search through them to find them all.

I cannot type braille over the Web for you

Edited by Nick Halstead, 09 August 2016 - 01:37 PM.


#26 OFFLINE   Nick Halstead

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Posted 09 August 2016 - 01:56 PM

http://www.danielste...onversions.html

Doubt you will actually read that though

#27 OFFLINE   TheWizard

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Posted 09 August 2016 - 02:00 PM

You sound like someone more concerned about making $ than safely driving. Then again I believe you're the same person who says PNP LED is even better.

 

No, I don't make money on conversions - I do them for members of our club (sometimes a case of beer will be payment).  That still amounts to over 50 conversions in the past several years.  Note that it is a safety club - we provide safety patrol and support for various charity events such as bicycle rides, triathlons and marathons.  We would never make changes to our vehicles that we felt were unsafe.

 

And no, I never said that LEDs are generally better... just that the particular LEDs I installed in my own vehicle are as good as the HIDs as far as light output and pattern and have the advantage of instant on and extremely long life.  I have tried them in other vehicles without the same success so the jury is still out on that one.

 

But you sound like someone who has been reading online lighting forums and is convinced he knows better than everyone else.  Not everything is black and white.  Just as an example, increased foreground lighting is not such a bad thing for drivers who typically spend their time in city environments and lots of traffic.  It is not good out on rural roads because of the affect it has on one's night vision (i.e. foreground brightness tends to open up the pupils) but it is not the overwhelming evil you make it out to be and the majority of people here probably wouldn't even notice.



#28 OFFLINE   Nick Halstead

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Posted 09 August 2016 - 04:17 PM

I'll spare the rods, cones, photoreceptors, photopic response class on nanometer reaction time. But no, my lighting knowledge has not come from a forum. actually have ZERO posts on HIDPLANET and only created an account to get pictures of a 07-10 EDGE retrofit for a member here. 

But you just made a whole case for foreground lighting while accurately describing the job of a fog light, not a headlight!

 

 

everything above the red line is glare going directly into oncoming traffics eyes. The human eye is most sensitive to blue and violet colors and takes longest to adapt after exposure to them. 
Usable light, Bills OEM Halogen bulbs are horrible to begin with so I can't even use that as a good usable light source over HID and can't find my OEM Fusion Halogen Projector pics.

I drive 3 vehicles often, each has 3 different types of bulbs. My two personal cars have Halogen Projectors and HID Projectors. My work truck has OEM LED Projectors.

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Posted 09 August 2016 - 05:55 PM

That pic you posted in regards to your "glare line" sure does look like the car is on an incline.

While that and your OEM HID picture may be the same driveway, they are by no means the same distance or angle towards the garage.

As Wizard said nobody is arguing that OEM or true HIDs are the route to go if possible and affordable. But, the "evidence" you keep trying to use are different vehicles, aftermarket projectors, pictures in that the angle and distance from an object are different are not going to win many people over.

We get it, you don't like PnP kits!

Also, yes fog lights do light up foreground...guess what? The vehicle this forum is about...DOESNT HAVE THEM! So why wouldn't I want a little more light up front. When I have fogs I don't ever shut them off anyways, no difference to me. But I'll assume your going to tell me I don't know how to use my headlights for admitting that.

The fact of the matter is forums make up a very small number of actual vehicle owners...and for some reason some of those owners feel that if you don't go the most expensive route on every mod you are doing things incorrectly. It's not the case. Plain and simple. Plenty of "cheaper" products work just as well, but the guy who spent quadruple the money is never going to admit that.

I think we found that guy.

#30 OFFLINE   Nick Halstead

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Posted 09 August 2016 - 08:30 PM

That pic you posted in regards to your "glare line" sure does look like the car is on an incline.

While that and your OEM HID picture may be the same driveway, they are by no means the same distance or angle towards the garage.

As Wizard said nobody is arguing that OEM or true HIDs are the route to go if possible and affordable. But, the "evidence" you keep trying to use are different vehicles, aftermarket projectors, pictures in that the angle and distance from an object are different are not going to win many people over.

We get it, you don't like PnP kits!

Also, yes fog lights do light up foreground...guess what? The vehicle this forum is about...DOESNT HAVE THEM! So why wouldn't I want a little more light up front. When I have fogs I don't ever shut them off anyways, no difference to me. But I'll assume your going to tell me I don't know how to use my headlights for admitting that.

The fact of the matter is forums make up a very small number of actual vehicle owners...and for some reason some of those owners feel that if you don't go the most expensive route on every mod you are doing things incorrectly. It's not the case. Plain and simple. Plenty of "cheaper" products work just as well, but the guy who spent quadruple the money is never going to admit that.
 

Not my pictures, and I so wish Bill would have used a tripod and stayed in same exact location for his tests, but I applaud Bill for doing all this. Think every Edge owner has learned something from Bills MACTFORDEDGE videos.
actually, the vehicle is in the same spots on the HID and OEM HID (dunno about the halogen), thats clear as day as the hotspots are in the same spot on the garage. Incline has zero effect on cutoff as the cutoff shield does not move independently of the vehicle.

Foreground lighting, it's the same as going to the mall and walking around looking directly at your feet the whole time.
Here's a research study on Foreground Lighting, You don't have to read it all, shit majority of it is too much science for me to comprehend. I just ask you read paragraph 5 on page 5 and then the last paragraph on page 14
http://www.lrc.rpi.e...TLA-2007-01.pdf

the Edge projector is a piece of shit Halogen Projector when used with the bulb it was designed for. I don't comprehend how people would think it would be better by putting a bulb in it that it never had intentions of having.
Why even change your lights? I get it, a retrofit isn't for everyone and those who know me pretty well when it comes to lighting will tell you, I'll recommend HID in Halogen Projectors because people are going to do it anyway, So I'll atleast refer them to a quality kit and not a dollar store xentec kit or DDM kit.
My Edge, personaly...I wish it had Fog lights, I think the stupid signature DRLs are as useful as a throttle body spacer!
 



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Posted 10 August 2016 - 07:21 AM

We can certainly agree on those couple of things...

 

Always buy the best lighting you can afford - whether it is a complete HID retrofit or a conversion kit.  Most ebay kits, and especially DDM kits, are cheap junk.

 

The aftermarket DRLs are great as DRLs (the factory accent lights are completely useless) and I got them for that reason, but they serve no other purpose.  True fog lights would have been much more useful.



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Posted 10 August 2016 - 07:30 AM

I love being in the middle  !!!  LOL   All I can add is the night driving for me is better.  No one flashes me.  Will the HID's burn out the reflectors? Time will tell, but for now I am happy with the results.  By the way you both have your sides and ultimately this thread does provide information.

 

Note: I would change to HID light fixtures but for the cost I really like my wifes HID lights, better then mine.







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