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#1 OFFLINE   gjb89

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Posted 08 December 2016 - 08:26 AM

Since there has been a few discussions lately on “Top Tier” gas I figured I would share a short article on AAA’s independent study on different tier levels of gas.

http://www.consumerreports.org/car-maintenance/study-shows-top-tier-gasoline-worth-extra-price/?loginMethod=auto

 

In short,

“Top Tier” gasoline had 19 times fewer carbon deposits on injectors, intake valves, and in the combustion chamber when compared to regular gasoline and also can have a cleansing effect. The “Top Tier” was roughly only $ 0.03 more per gallon.

 

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The picture is allegedly after a 100 hour test. I find that a significant difference in just 100 hours.

 

List of licensed Top Tier stations

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Aloha Petroleum

Amoco

ARCO

Beacon

BP

Break Time

Cenex

Chevron

CITGO

Conoco

Co-op

Costco

CountryMark

Diamond Shamrock

Entec

Esso

Express

Exxon

Holiday

Kwik Star Stores

Kwik Trip

Mahalo

MFA

Mobil

Ohana Fuels

Petro-Canada

Phillips 66

PUMA

QT

Quik Trip

Road Ranger

Shamrock

Shell / Shell V-Power

Sinclair Standard

SuperAmerica

SuperFuels

Tempo

Texaco

Tri-Par

Valero

 


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#2 OFFLINE   Chipster

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Posted 08 December 2016 - 03:22 PM

I have to wonder if the illustration you have posted means much in direct injected engines where there is no gasoline washing over the intake valves? They will get coked up with relatively low mileage as the PVC system dumps oil vapor into the intake tract.


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#3 OFFLINE   WWWPerfA_ZN0W

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Posted 08 December 2016 - 06:11 PM

True, that would be a discussion for engine oil and catch cans :)


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Posted 23 December 2016 - 09:36 AM

This is why i 'only use' top tier gas. My local grocery store gives discounts for the gas they sell, i tell them "I wouldn't use their gas in my lawn mower".  :)


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#5 OFFLINE   enigma-2

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Posted 30 December 2016 - 10:01 PM

I only use non-Ethanol gas, top-tier gas. Here's a site where you can look up non-Ethanol gas stations in your area.
http://www.pure-gas.org/
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Posted 03 January 2017 - 11:39 PM

I would do anything to be able to buy petrol without all that ethanol crap in it. I have run vehicles that exclusively ran in E85 in the past(My F150 and Ford Escape), but it is a lousy proposition in any non-FFV vehicle. It is even more lousy for those of us with turbo engines. Sadly, it just isn't possible around me. I see benefit in E85 capable vehicles when running E85, but see little benefit for regular engines.


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Posted 04 January 2017 - 08:43 AM

Years ago I worked for the local cable company as a line tech and drove a Ford F250 van with a fair amount of weight in it. I got in dutch with the site manager for using "top tier" gas. When questioned, I sited that simply looking at the increased mileage and ignoring the cleaning benefits of the gas, that the increase in cost would be outweighed by the increase in mileage. So for 3 months I ran nothing but regular "bottom tier" gas and kept very detailed mileage, gallons, cost, etc.records. Then for 3 months I ran nothing but Premium "top tier" gas with the same record keeping routine.

 

I was kind of going out on a limb with this and hoping that I'd not be made a fool of by backing a myth of better mileage from better gas. Well, I wasn't let down. The increase of cost WAS outweighed by the increase in mileage. Not by a huge margin but certainly outside a standard deviation. Couple that with the benefits of a cleaner running engine which translated into lower maintenance costs and he was sold. They changed policy and recommended that the entire fleet use Premium fuel.

 

Tru story bro ....


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Posted 04 January 2017 - 12:58 PM

Ok, well, now you've started me thinking (very dangerous).  I typically buy gas at Sam's or the local Wal Mart (Murphy) because it was the cheapest.  My mindset has been the typical "gas is gas" thinking.  But I have been doing some reading on this top-tier gas thing (thinking it was mostly marketing hype) but now am being persuaded by facts and first person testimony (go figure!).  There is a Costco close to me so I may start buying gas there as it is noted as a top-tier supplier.  Live and learn.


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Posted 04 January 2017 - 01:51 PM

Costco gas works well, and is usually one of the cheapest in the area.  They keep the lines moving as well, at least here in MD, with attendants on duty to field questions and even mop up spills.  Pretty sure they require a membership card tho.



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Posted 04 January 2017 - 06:06 PM

Top tier gas link to retailers
http://www.toptierga...licensedbrands/
Figure that top tier, non-Ethanol gas is about $0.05 a gallon more than the cheap stuff, and at say 15 mpg, breaks down to $0.03 a mile (give or take, it's miniscule no matter how you look at it).

Edited by enigma-2, 04 January 2017 - 06:10 PM.

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Posted 04 January 2017 - 06:06 PM

Well, I went by Costco today to pick up a few things (I'm a member) and also filled up.  The pump actually had a sticker on it that says "Top Tier Supplier."  Looks like Costco gets all my gas purchases from now on.  Thanks all, for the info!


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Posted 05 January 2017 - 07:42 AM

Top tier gas link to retailers
http://www.toptierga...licensedbrands/
Figure that top tier, non-Ethanol gas is about $0.05 a gallon more than the cheap stuff, and at say 15 mpg, breaks down to $0.03 a mile (give or take, it's miniscule no matter how you look at it).

 

Here in Florida, the difference between branded and unbranded is usually just a few cents as you mention but the difference between E10 and pure gas is usually about 50 cents per gallon.  Right now a local Shell station has regular at 2.36 while pure gas is 2.89.  Part of that difference is that nobody around here carries pure gas in regular 87 octane (it's all midgrade or premium) but the midgrade E10 at the same store is 2.56 so there's still a significant difference.


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Posted 05 January 2017 - 10:58 AM

I use 87 octane ethanol free (EXxon) gas in my boat. It cost around 10 cents a gallon more than the 93 octane with up to 10% ethanol gas (same gas station) I use in my Mustang :(


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Posted 05 January 2017 - 04:26 PM

I'd be very curious to see if the higher octane or the pure gas produces better results.  The higher octane allows your Mustang to advance timing for more power but pure gas has more energy potential than E10 (ethanol has about 32% less energy than gasoline) so there might be equivalent (or even more) gains to be had there.

 

Want to experiment and let us know?



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Posted 05 January 2017 - 04:57 PM

I would think E-0 (pure gas) should yield better mpg than higher octane E-10 but that's just my gut feel based on E-85 performance..



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Posted 05 January 2017 - 05:09 PM

Oh yes, no question that pure gas gives better mileage than E10.  But I wonder if the additional energy of pure gas is better for power than the increased ignition timing advance afforded by a higher octane grade of E10.



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Posted 05 January 2017 - 05:29 PM

I'm saying that my gut tells me E-0 would yield better mpg than E-10 Premium.



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Posted 09 January 2017 - 04:48 AM

I'm saying that my gut tells me E-0 would yield better mpg than E-10 Premium.

I know E-0 results in better MPG's I get better MPG's every time I fill up with non alcohol gasoline.  I will add a but to the statement.  If you fill up with a non top tier pure gasoline I have also seen lesser results in MPG's.    I buy a tank of gas a day and do my best to buy the Top Tier.



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Posted 09 January 2017 - 07:02 AM

I know E-0 results in better MPG's I get better MPG's every time I fill up with non alcohol gasoline.  I will add a but to the statement.  If you fill up with a non top tier pure gasoline I have also seen lesser results in MPG's.    I buy a tank of gas a day and do my best to buy the Top Tier.

 

I agree. I ran a couple tanks of 93 octane 0 ethanol 100% pure gas from a no name gas station and saw 0 performance and 0 mpg gain in my Mustang :(. I told them if I ever found out they weren't selling pure gas, I would take 'legal action' against them.  Six months later they didn't have the big sign stating '100% pure gas' in front of the store :(. I'll just stick with the 'top tier' gas, even if its up to 10% ethanol :) 


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Posted 09 January 2017 - 08:32 PM

Well, I went by Costco today to pick up a few things (I'm a member) and also filled up.  The pump actually had a sticker on it that says "Top Tier Supplier."  Looks like Costco gets all my gas purchases from now on.  Thanks all, for the info!


Remember that the well being of your car is our primary concern. It is like choosing to settle for Pabst Blue Ribbon when the good stuff is only a few cents more. We cannot allow a fellow enthusiast to fill their car with the equivalent of PBR.
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