Anyone use a hydraulic floor jack to lift their Edge?

[ben senise]

I have a rolling hydraulic floor jack and would like to use it to lift my 2016 Edge. I'm guessing that if I lift the car by its spot welded seams that they will bend. I've seen pads that look like a hockey puck with a slot across the top that sit on the jack and you lift the pad so that the seam goes in the slot and the top surface of the pad is where the weight of the car rests, not on the edge of the seam.

I measured the seam height and it's a good inch but most of the pads I see on amazon have slots that are half of that which means that the weight of the car would still rest on the edge of the seam.

Do any of you use a pad with a slot? If so, where did you get it?

thanks

[KLinNBC]

I have limited, tight shelter at the moment so I've not been able to get close-up with the undercarriage and scope out the lift points. So I used the supplied jack for the tire/rim changeover ( I think winter is done :-P) and noted that unlike my Audi where the jack fits over the pinch weld but actually rests on the frame rail just inboard of the pinch weld the Edge jack actually rests on and lifts from the pinch weld itself. The jack has a recess to locate the pinch weld but the recess is very shallow. I think therefore that a regular hockey puck on the hydraulic jack pad to prevent any slipping would suffice for lifting at the designated pinch weld points. I wouldn't cut a slot in the puck, I've seen that cause the puck to split when loaded.

[enigma-2]

Use a pinch weld adaptor

Small Universal Slotted Polyurethane Jack Pad Frame Protector by TMB https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00W2NMO3Y/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_c4f4ybEDXZVWJ

[autom8r]

Frequently, at the jack points and without the slotted puck. But I like the look of the slotted puck, though the slot needs to be sufficiently deep to accommodate the joint.

[chefduane]

I have a couple of used hockey pucks from the neighbor kid. Cut a slot in it and it works great. See attached.

[ben senise]

Use a pinch weld adaptor

Small Universal Slotted Polyurethane Jack Pad Frame Protector by TMB https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00W2NMO3Y/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_c4f4ybEDXZVWJ

 

Thanks, I have found many variations on this theme but the problem is that the slot is not even half as deep as the seam. To me, that completely negates the use of this puck since the weight of the car will still be on the edge of the seam, not on the "frame" above it.

 

 

Frequently, at the jack points and without the slotted puck. But I like the look of the slotted puck, though the slot needs to be sufficiently deep to accommodate the joint.

you've had no deformation of that seam then?

 

I have a couple of used hockey pucks from the neighbor kid. Cut a slot in it and it works great. See attached.

 

is the slot deep enough to accommodate the entire seam so that the weight of the car sits on the surface of the puck and not the edge of the seam?

Frequently, at the jack points and without the slotted puck. But I like the look of the slotted puck, though the slot needs to be sufficiently deep to accommodate the joint.

Edited April 2, 2017 by ben senise

[chefduane]

Yes, the slot is deep enough for the seam. I measured how high/deep the seam was before I cut the puck. Works great. The neighbor kid said the puck he gave me was signed by somebody named Wally Gretzker or something like that. I had to cut through the signature to get it to work.

[ben senise]

the puck he gave me was signed by somebody named Wally Gretzker or something like that. I had to cut through the signature to get it to work.

 

LOL

[autom8r]

Ben:

 

No deformation. I will say that you need to make sure that the jack pad is not acting on the rocker panel cover. The rocker panel cover is made of plastic and will not support the weight of the car. That being said, your slotted jack pad would need to be no more than about 2" in diameter to fit in the space that Ford gives you, and ideally square to maximize surface area.

 

I use a HF aluminum floor jack (I have two). They work well for what I need them for. They have a flat rubber insert, but it's no slot. The pad stays off the plastic because the seam is taller.

[macbwt]

I lift my Edge up on a lift with the pads of the lift on the rear pinch welds at the jack location without any issues and place the front lift supports under the front sub-frame. More times than I can count without any issue.

[ben senise]

Ben:

 

No deformation. I will say that you need to make sure that the jack pad is not acting on the rocker panel cover. The rocker panel cover is made of plastic and will not support the weight of the car. That being said, your slotted jack pad would need to be no more than about 2" in diameter to fit in the space that Ford gives you, and ideally square to maximize surface area.

 

I use a HF aluminum floor jack (I have two). They work well for what I need them for. They have a flat rubber insert, but it's no slot. The pad stays off the plastic because the seam is taller.

 

thanks for the info. yes, i see that there isn't much space between the seam and the plastic. i agree that square/rectangular would be ideal. we'll see what i can figure out. i just had my tires swapped at the dealer since i didn't have room to store them. now i have a garage and my winter tires are here so come next winter, i'll just pop them on myself when i feel like it.

[Brucifer]

I just used my HF floor jack at the indicated lift point all naked like...

Edited April 3, 2017 by Brucifer

[KLinNBC]

 

is the slot deep enough to accommodate the entire seam so that the weight of the car sits on the surface of the puck and not the edge of the seam?

 

I don't think you want to put any weight on the body surrounding the pinch welds. Do yourself a favour and take the jack out of the spare tire compartment and take a good look: the jack is designed to lift using only the edge of the pinch weld, nothing else.

[chefduane]

Actually KLinNBC, I think it is exactly the opposite of that. The jack and puck tools as described above are designed to NOT have any weight on the edge on the pinch weld lest the weld fold over. What the jack does (and puck tools) is allow the weld to fit into the crease and then weight of the car is spread to each side of the rail of the weld via the flat surface of the jack/puck combination.

[akirby]

Duane is correct.

[KLinNBC]

Read what I said: the OEM jack in the spare tire compartment has no such deep, slotted recess and lifts the vehicle solely and completely by the edge of the pinch weld. THE EDGE OF THE PINCH WELD, not the sides or the body anywhere around. There is probably a reason that Ford engineered the provided jack in this way, it is possible that trying to lift in any other manner will cause damage. If it was safe or necessary to lift by using the body surfaces on either side of the pinch weld Ford would have provided a jack that did just that. Ford did not. Have any of you actually had the jack that came with the vehicle out of the compartment? Sheeesh.

Edited April 4, 2017 by KLinNBC

[chefduane]

Here is a picture of the OEM jack. It clearly has a deep, slotted recess that the pinch weld settles into and the horizontal surfaces of the jack lift the vehicle solely and completely by those surfaces. The pinch weld runs vertically along the underside of the frame rail and has horizontal surfaces interior and exterior adjacent to the weld. It is those surfaces that the OEM jack (and floor jack with puck adapter) uses to lift the vehicle. That's how it works. Don't know how to explain it any clearer. And many here have had the jack out of the trunk so please refrain being a complete a$$hole with the sarcastic comments and the childish 'sheesh' gibes.

[chefduane]

Here is a vid that might illustrate things a little better. It's somewhat lengthy (17mins) but explains the concepts pretty clearly.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dflOF9PirxA&t=660s

[KLinNBC]

Well Duane, I was somewhat exasperated but certainly not throwing personal insults. I'm a complete a$$hole? Right. So here's a wake-up for you. Original poster has a 2016 Edge as do I. It's built by Ford. You have a 2011 built mostly by Mazda. You have a jack to fit your Mazda Edge and I know this because I have a Mazda Miata and it's jack looks just like yours. For those of us with a new generation Edge which is a completely different vehicle including different pinch weld body seams we have a different jack and it looks like this:

 

 

Cheers,

 

Kevin

Edited April 4, 2017 by KLinNBC

[chefduane]

And both jacks have an indent or recess or slot (which ever word fits best) that the pinch weld settles into to lift the vehicle by the horizontal surfaces adjacent to the vertical pinch weld rail. You implied that the jack lifts solely by the pinch weld which could deform the pinch weld. If you take a look at the vid it might explain a little better what I am talking about. And since you were emotionally exasperated I guess the childish comments can be overlooked. So I take it back, you weren't completely a$$hole-ish. <- new word I just made up.

[akirby]

You have a 2011 built mostly by Mazda. You have a jack to fit your Mazda Edge

 

Let's not exaggerate. It's not built at all by Mazda. The platform was derived from the original Fusion platform which itself was derived from a Mazda platform so they do share parts but it's built and engineered 100% by Ford, not Mazda - although they do share parts.

[akirby]

After looking at the picture in the owner's manual on my MKX it would appear that the CD4 vehicles have reinforced pinch welds that will hold up the vehicle. But I'm also certain that's not the case on the CD3 (07-14) models.

[bud_d]

To jack up the back of our 2016 Edge Sport, I use my rolling floor hydraulic jack and jack up the back in the center, using the frame member right behind the rear pumpkin. I take care to make sure not to lift via the drivetrain.

 

My floor jack has a pretty long reach and is a low profile unit, so perhaps that is how I can do this. I have not tried my old floor jack to see if it works. Good luck!

 

Doug

[KLinNBC]

And both jacks have an indent or recess or slot (which ever word fits best) that the pinch weld settles into to lift the vehicle by the horizontal surfaces adjacent to the vertical pinch weld rail. You implied that the jack lifts solely by the pinch weld which could deform the pinch weld. If you take a look at the vid it might explain a little better what I am talking about. And since you were emotionally exasperated I guess the childish comments can be overlooked. So I take it back, you weren't completely a$$hole-ish. <- new word I just made up.

 

My exasperation came from the fact that I clearly stated in the second post in this thread that 1: I have the actual vehicle and jack and physically, first-person examined the pinch weld and jack recently whereas you are arguing about it and actually have not put hands on a 2016 Edge and jack and 2; I described another vehicle which I own that has a jack that supports the body next to the pinch weld whereas the Edge does not. I did not IMPLY that the jack lifts solely by the pinch weld, i stated outright and unequivocally the jack lifts solely by the edge of the pinch weld. And it does.

For reference from my first post:

 

"So I used the supplied jack for the tire/rim changeover ( I think winter is done :-P) and noted that unlike my Audi where the jack fits over the pinch weld but actually rests on the frame rail just inboard of the pinch weld the Edge jack actually rests on and lifts from the pinch weld itself. The jack has a recess to locate the pinch weld but the recess is very shallow."

 

Now I present a photo of the jack wherein it's freaking clear that the recess in the jack pad is very shallow (as stated previously) and therefore freking obvious that unless the Edge pinch weld seam is less than 1/4" in height (and it is not, it's about an inch) that no part of the illustrated jack pad is going to contact any part of the vehicle excepting the edge of the pinch weld.

 

And once again: I have actually used this jack to lift my 2016 Edge and seen up front and close that the only lifting is done by the pinch weld. Period. Obviously there was some confusion with the generation we were speaking about at the outset. I assumed everyone knew/understood that the original poster was asking about the new. CD4 generation that I also own as his sig shows 2016 as his Edge model year. You either assumed that the new generation had the same jack/lift system as your 2011 or simply didn't pay attention to the year of the original poster's Edge.

 

Coincidentally, the 2005 Honda Element that my Edge replaced had the same type of jack pad and also lifted solely by the edge of the pinch weld. My 02 Miata has the identical jack pad as your 2011 Edge jack and it fits loosely around the pinch weld to lift using the body surfaces immediately adjacent to both sides of the pinch weld. I say loosely in comparison to another car i own: the 2004 Audi A4 which has a jack pad that fits very snugly (it actually seats as you lift the vehicle, it's hard to push all the way on manually) and lifts by the body surface only on the inboard side (which is a clearly reinforced bulge). In the case of the Audi the jack is often referred to as the "widow-maker" because it's important and not easy to get the pad seated properly as well as having the jack on level ground. If not then the pinch weld folds and the car falls. many cases over many years on Audi forums.

 

So there are multiple variations on the pinch weld seam and screw-jack lifting system over many years. And there are definitely systems such as the 2nd gen Edge and Honda Element where the lifting is done solely by the lower, horizontal edge of the pinch weld seam. And calling anyone an a$$hole on a discussion forum says more about you than me.

Edited April 4, 2017 by KLinNBC

[akirby]

 

And calling anyone an a$$hole on a discussion forum says more about you than me.

 

He apologized for it and to be honest your comments about people not taking the jack out of the car was just as bad. You could have simply said the 2015+ models use a different jack than the pre-2015 models.

 

It's natural for people to assume that newer vehicles work the same as theirs or to simply not notice the year. There is no need to get upset over a simple mistake.