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  1. 3 hours ago, dabangsta said:

    Same in the US, and same since 2022.

    Did it change mid year?  because I test drove a 22 Titanium (build date January 22) that had park assist but not the Elite package in June.  It's actually still on the lot, one of those weird vehicles that every dealer occasionally has.  Nothing wrong with it, but for some reason no one has ever bought it.


  2. For Canada, I noticed when doing a build of an Edge Titanium on the Ford.ca site that for 2023 the enhanced parking assist has moved from the 301A Equipment group to the Titanium Elite Package.  The prices of those options have remained the same as for the 22 but it looks like if you want the parking assist you now have to buy the Elite package, which used to be purely cosmetic.  And of course to buy Elite, you first have to get the 301A build.  So basically although the 301A  price hasn't really changed, you now get less for your money and if you want enhanced parking assist on a 23, it will cost you $1500 more than it would on the 22.   (You also have to deal with those awful two tone seats in the Elite package... Personally, I dont like them)

    I bring it here because I don't think I've seen the change mentioned anywhere.


    Maybe the enhanced parking is also available as a seperately priced item through the dealer, but it wont let me add it on the website without choosing Elite

  3. Updated table:


    2007 - 132,327

    2008 - 110,798

    2009 - 88,548

    2010 - 118,637

    2011 - 121,702

    2012 - 127,969

    2013 - 129,109

    2014 - 108,864 severe slow down in sales towards the end of the year when the old model was finishing up.

    2015 - 124,120 low first quarter sales while new 2015 model was waiting for full launch. (23,000 in Q1 40,000 in Q2, Full launch was towards end of Q1)

    ​2016 - 81,550 to end of July (on track for 132,000+)


    ​All figures courtesy of LeftLane.com visit them for full monthly breakdown

    ​Comments to the right are my own.


    ​In comparison, the Lincoln MKX sells about 23,000 a year, doesn't seem to matter what they do, its just consistent.





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  4. I have the previous version of the 2.0 on my 13 Edge and love it. Approaching 70,000Km on it (43K miles) and not had a problem yet. I love the acceleration when joining the highway or overtaking. I find the Torque more important to me than the HP as I'm rarely flat out, I accelerate to my cruising speed of just above the speed limit and then ease off.

    I'm sold on the turbos now and won't go back to the regular... however it depends on your driving style and what your doing.


    I think if you do a lot of towing you're probably still better off with the 3.5.


    The new 2.0 is supposed to be better with regards the lag. With the turbo there is a gap between putting your foot down and the turbo kicking in, some people hate that but you get used to it. When it does kick in you really notice it. The newer model supposedly has less lag but I cant vouch for that.


    I don't think fuel economy is necessarily a good reason to get the 2.0 though if you do city driving

    I haven't got close to the fuel economy figures on the window sticker.

    Sticker said 6.6l/100km hyw (35mpg US) and 9.9 city (23.7mpg).

    The in car dash display says I've averaged 10.2l/100km (23.06mpg) but in the two and a half years I've had the car (80/20 mixture of city and highway) I've tracked it at 10.92l/100km (21.5mpg) which is far from stellar but also not terrible.


    I imagine that's not too different to the 3.5, possibly worse.


    You can get really good economy providing you never actually kick in the Turbo, that's a slow steady acceleration at low revs... but it's not as much fun.


    Best economy I've had on a single tank is 7.71l/100km 30.5mpg. That's a road trip in the summer, so air conditioning was full on the whole time.

    On long road trips I usually get over 640km from a full tank which is more than 400 miles. Think the tank on the 16 Edge is bigger than the one on the 13 so you'd probably get more.

  5. I understand and agree to some extent, and yeah, maybe a full a la carte is a step too far, but I'm not even saying I want a unique configuration, The configuration already exists and can be bought in Canada. I was originally questioning why I can buy configuration X in Canada but not in the USA. If I lived 70 miles south of where I am, I couldn't have the car I have. And I love my Edge, but if I lived in the US and had to have BLIS and leather seats just to get Sync and navigation I'd probably buy a different vehicle. Unless of course I faced the same situation with all manufacturers, which of course may actually be the case. I'm not trying to turn this into a project so investigation stops here.

    You could also argue that my actual point was... 'I Don't like leather seats... why do I have to have them? wah wah wah' :-)

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  6. On the Ford UK site www.ford.co.uk it is now possible to build and price an Edge. (Alphabetically its listed under NEW not Edge so scroll down)

    There are quite a few differences compared to the North American market model. Especially in the transmission.

    A Manual Edge would be fun.

    Also only 3 models instead of 4. Zetec, Titanium and Sport


    Not sure if it's just because its pre launch, but the Sport model appears to have exactly the same engine as the Titanium and base model. It just has the Sport Grill, fancy wheels and all the upgrades.


    And check out those prices.... convert to dollars and you'll feint.


  7. Yeah, I guess my issue is the lack of choice or maybe more the reason behind the lack of choice. With everything being fully automated and with some configurations allowed in Canada that arent in US and (to a lesser extent) vice versa, it isn't a technical issue. I guess I just don't understand the marketing.


    Seems to me, if you offer everything that is technically feasible as individual pricing options, but bundle some together as cheaper packages, people could walk away with exactly the vehicle they wanted instead of compromising. Most people would take the bundles, and feel happy they got a discount or an extra feature for free, whereas assholes like me would be happy to get exactly what they wanted at a slightly higher price.


    Sometimes there are technical reasons two items cant go together or need to be together, but for the life of me, if I lived in the US, I don't see why Ford would force me to have leather seats, if I would rather have cloth. I'm not asking for a discount, I'm saying give me Sync 3 and the navigation, but I'll keep the cloth seats and not upgrade to leather please.


    If you go to the etis site and look at the configuration of your vehicle it's a huge selection of + this and - that already.


    I guess this falls into the same category as Cable tv bundling... there is no technical reason you have to buy packages instead of individual channels, it's just the way they do it and even public revolt doesnt seem to change it ever.

  8. I live in Canada, so I can actually get the options I want for my SEL, but I cant figure out why in the US, if I want Navigation I have to also buy the utility package which includes BLIS, whereas in Canada as long as I have Sync 3 I can just add navigation. (I don't like BLIS, I prefer the curvy blind spot mirror)


    Same goes for seats, In Canada I can have premium cloth seats or leather, but in the US I have to have leather if I want SYNC3 etc. (Again I prefer cloth seats to leather, its not a cost thing, its a preference)


    As I say, I CAN get the options I want, but if I lived 70 miles south in NY state I couldn't. Cars are made in the same factory, but these differences aren't due to different regulations and it can't be a technical issue. Just don't understand the logic.



  9. Always your decision, I am biased, love my Edge, think it looks nicer than the Murano too, but cant say much about them never having driven one.


    The Santa Fe Sport sounded rough to me when I took it for a test drive but I was already thinking I liked the Edge.

    My co workers Santa Fe Sport 2.0 engine completely failed after 18 months earlier this year. To be fair he drove the s**t out of it and it was at 125,000Km after 18 months but that made it 25k past warranty period and the dealer wanted $15,000 to replace the engine.

    He managed to buy a replacement engine from a scrap yard and get it installed for $4000, but it's put me right off them.


    If you think the Santa Fe was too big, seeing a you're looking at other cars anyway and price appears to be a factor for you, may I suggest looking at the 2017 Escape when it comes out in the Spring. They've given it quite an overhaul, looks like a baby Edge and if you upgrade to the optional 2.0l Ecoboost I'm thinking it's going to be quite powerful.

  10. I just had this replaced on my 2013 SEL Ecoboost. Been happening intermittently for about two months. It helped that I was able to show the problem to the dealer as it happened when I parked in the lot when I took it in for service.

    The replacement shifter feels much more solid to move. (or more difficult... depending on your pov) I was lucky that it started to happen just before the warranty ran out (3k to go), because this is only free under the 3 year bumper to bumper warranty, even though its patently a known issue.

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  11. I have a 2013 Edge SEL Ecoboost with 43.000 Km and yesterday the power steering just stopped working on my way into work. I took it to the dealer which is luckily next door to my office but they cant fit me in before next week.

    They suggested I check the power steering fluid levels and top it up to get me through till Wednesday, but it's an ecoboost so uses electronic power steering, there isn't any fluid. very helpful.


    Anyhow, I was checking on the issue online and I can't see any problems on Edges, but it appears there is a recall for other models announced a few days ago and the issue looks similar.


    I have no warning message, no check engine light, power steering is just gone. Trust me, the Edge without power steering is a beast to try and turn at low speeds.


    Just wondering if anyone else has experienced a similar issue. I've found similar issues reported on Explorers and Fusions, nothing on Edges, but I think 2013 was the first ecoboost year for the Edge and maybe they'll just start showing now.


    Up to this point the car has been amazing, best I've ever had, but this is making me a little scared. I'm not using the car again until I can take it to the dealer, it's just not safe as I cant guarantee I can get round a corner without drifting wide.


    I think some signals are still getting through, because sometimes halfway through a turn it seems to kick in, which means I'm suddenly way overlocked, it's dangerous.

  12. From what I understand, its the same engine as the new F-150 but tuned or limited differently

    Comparing the basic engine specs on the Ford Website I see that the F150 gets HP of 325@5750RPM on regular fuel versus 315@4750 using 93 Octane fuel in the Edge.

    Torque is 375@3000 in the F150 versus 350@2750 in the Edge.


    So I'm not sure what other differences there are, but at least one of the videos in this forum talks about them being the same engine so it looks as though there is potential for higher Torque and HP.


    Whether you'd want to rev that high to access the full HP is a different matter. Presumably your fuel consumption would be appalling. But it's all about Torque in the main, as its rare you actually drive a vehicle flat out. (Ok Im just speaking for myself now)

  13. According to Research Maniacs once the VIN is created no changes can be made to that vehicle.




    "Verify the information
    This may be a good time to double check that all the information is correct. Although, since Ford assigned a VIN, you cannot make changes at this time.."



    However, theoretically an order can be cancelled anytime before the vehicle is built and a new order created.

    Effectively you would then be getting a different vehicle.

    Not sure how easy it would be to make that happen though, Probably depends on the dealers relationship with Ford scheduling and I imagine they would be more likely to authorise a change if you were adding options and paying more rather than removing them. It would likely push back your build and delivery date too.


    I bought mine in mid April but it wasn't delivered till late June.

    I changed the colour to Ruby Red the day after the order went into the system and I'd signed the 'All sales final' paperwork but that was long before the VIN was created. It was in the system over a month before they created a VIN. (Possibly because of a Ruby Red paint shortage I was told)


    Hope that helps


  14. Finally picked up my Edge last week, absolutely loving it. Nicest vehicle I've ever owned by some distance. I didn't buy any extended warranties in the end, figured I can always buy it later if the vehicle looks like it might be trouble.

    I just Scotchguarded all the fabric this afternoon, hopefully It'll help keep it pristine.

    reaction from friends, family and co workers has been very positive. I get the impression that most people have never considered an edge but when they see one close up it wows them.. So glad I got the red, Never thought I would ever pay extra for a colour but it looks fantastic on the driveway so I'm glad I did.

    Anyhow, no mods planned, just need a set of winter rims and tires, I won't be getting Ford OEMs, likely pick up a nice set of 17s or 18s from tirerack at half the price (or less). Ottawa weather means winters are a necessity.

  15. yay, exactly 8 weeks after I ordered it my Edge arrived at the dealers today.

    Unfortunately I'm away now until next week so can't pick it up till Tuesday.

    Does anyone know if the current 120 hour sale in Canada has a larger discount than the 3750 customer rebate I got when I ordered, after all I doubt the dealer will tell me.

  16. Interesting that the tech specs for the 2014 model recommend 91+ octane fuel for the 2.0l turbo. (87 minimum). The 2013 tech specs recommend 87 but also state that the HP and torque figures were reached using premium fuel. Does that mean the engine is newer design or are they just finally being open about needing premium fuel to get the best out of the turbo?

  17. I finally got my VIN today, but there is no window sticker yet so I imagine I'm still a couple of weeks away from build. I got a good deal on the price but I guess I'm paying for not using a dealer with a large build allocation. Having said that, I've waited years to be able to buy an edge so I should just enjoy the anticipation. This is the first factory order I've ever done and whilst it's good that I can have the exact options I want, and I get a car that hasn't been sat on a lot or test driven, it does come with it's own set of issues.

    I have leaned a few things about the process that I wish I'd known earlier. Particularly the concept of dealer build allocations and priorities. I didn't know such things existed.

    I'm still pretty excited about getting it though. I've honestly wanted an edge for years but needed the practicality of a van before.

    Now the kids are grown, I can be a kid again!

  18. I'm a little jealous. i ordered my SEL just a week after you (24th April) and I don't even have a VIN or build date yet. Partly my own fault for insisting on a factory order. There was one almost identical, (Dealer could add the cargo package himself) at a dealer 300 miles away, but when they said it would be driven up I said no.

  19. so April 24th I ordered and still no vin or build date... Feels like a long time. Hopefully not too much longer.

    I want to make sure the dealer doesn't put his own decal on it, I can't imagine that will be a problem if I ask, but if he does, can they be easily removed without causing damage? I've never tried.