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Hey everyone I'm super new here its my second post so I am sorry if I'm posting this in the wrong place. I just got a 2017 edge sel 3.5 v6 awd. Had to trade my focus st in for it as my family is growing. Super sad to trade the car in but excited for the edge I hear good things about it and I like the HP figures and stuff, sadly I couldn't afford the sport or st or I would have done that for something quicker. But I like the idea of a NA v6, just sounds like less moving parts and stress through more pressure, but my question is there anyone who has done any Performance mods to get more HP out of these engines? I have been looking for ever and I can barely find anything. I know a more open exhaust and intake the basics but is anyone getting more HP out of them?

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Intake and exhaust will do nothing but make more noise.  There really isn't anything you can do with a NA engine without spending a ton of money.  As for reliability, the 2.0 EcoBoost has proven to be very reliable, the internal water pump on the 3.5 NA, not so much.

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Okay, Thanks for the info. It was the only model they had I could afford, So its good to know about the internal water pump and the intake and exhaust only being sound with these vehicles. Is there any other big problems the 3.5 suffers from? I have heard of the Unleashed tuner and seen other forums here about it with someone actually showing a dyno sheet with difference for the 3.5 the thing that made me excited was it was claiming to fix the sloppy gear shifts for the transmission. But I know tunes can be dangerous if not done right and I wouldn't like to put the engine at risk.    

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Nothing I know of besides the water pump.  It's a great motor, I have an F-150 with the same motor (but external water pump on the F-150), and it hauls the truck around fine.  I would think it has plenty of power in the Edge.  I have 4 Fords with the 6 speed transmission and I don't notice sloppy shifting.  You didn't mention how many miles are on the Edge, maybe its time for a transmission fluid change?  I would just drive your Edge and enjoy it.

 

Edit: Nevermind, just saw your off road thread, can't tell if you're even serious, in any case, you do you.

 

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On 10/27/2020 at 11:45 PM, TheFuzzyEdge said:

 I just got a 2017 edge sel 3.5 v6 awd. Had to trade my focus st in for it as my family is growing.  my question is there anyone who has done any Performance mods to get more HP out of these engines? 

That's one thing I also noticed... Back when I had my '16 Titanium with the V6 engine, I wanted to improve it's performance a little but all I could find were tuners, air intakes and exhaust systems for the 2.0L or the Sport models but nothing for the N/A 3.5L V6... :(

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Oh I'm dead serious Todd92 haha, and thanks for the info. I just started driving it and I haven't punched it yet so my shifting seems fine I'm just referring to other forums where people say its meant for gas mileage and not acceleration so I am just trying to get a good amount of data for myself so I know what's best. I'm mostly trying to see what I can get out of it without hurting it.  I would just slowly keep adding better parts to replace factory ones and things to fit my style, I have seen that picture around its pretty crazy. So I think I am going to start the build and post it since I can't find anyone else trying it so far, but it wont be anything to epic like that picture still need to drive it everyday so I wouldn't be putting mudders with a 7inch lift haha Just want wider, all terrain tires with a small lift and what ever I can get out of the 3.5 I know exhaust wont do anything like it does with a sports car where you see difference and people think its that easy but it should allow the engine to breath better with a more open intake shouldn't it? but I know its like 2-3 hp max. Just wondering if its better for the engine even if there is no noticeable gain. 

 

 

And 2fast4u There is some little things here and there that I get word of sometimes like a tune made for the 3.5 with dyno results from this forum  (he had intake and exhaust as well) and dyno sheet to show a 25ish hp gain and 25ish for torque. I think the tune is called Unleashed? which would be plenty for me that's a massive gain for just that so I don't know if I buy it haha. Oh and Todd92 mentioned the f-150 sharing the same motor would some mods for that engine be transferable to this engine? ill keep doing research and see what I can find.          

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If you find an intake and all it is, is a tube and cone filter don't get it. These engine bays get hot and you'll just suck in heat from the motor. Unleashed does good tuning so it's likely legit. 

 

Unless the parts are internal for the f150 they won't  work. Edge is a transverse mounted engine unlike the f150 so engine bay is drastically different. Same with the under carriage.

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Thanks for the advice Preblue,  Ill keep that in mind with the intake. A proper made cold intake designed for this vehicle actually makes sense. I was wondering how much heat soak the engine goes through when you punch it. And the Unleashed tune is the way ill go then I was looking it up and they do come highly recommended and getting that much gain would be noticeable especially with the improved shifting they claim. 

 

Okay so things for the f150 are different its just the same engine base but in completely different layout?  hmm so I wonder if there is even anything that would work for just the 3.5, most likely not. 

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2 hours ago, TheFuzzyEdge said:

Okay so things for the f150 are different its just the same engine base but in completely different layout?  hmm so I wonder if there is even anything that would work for just the 3.5, most likely not. 

 

Yep edge is mounted like fwd and f150 is mounted like rwd so very little if anything is mounted the same.

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I've had a 2015 3.5 NA FWD for about a year and a half now..got 42k miles now.  I have been thinking seriously about getting intake manifolds ported by the guy in SE US because I've read of 2 sec 0-60 reduction on an Explorer with addition of 73mm throttle body..is this not true? It does seem like quite an improvement in performance from a mod that I would think would be useful with other mods. I'd like a tuning device, but it seems they all have good and bad reviews. The throttle response is more like drive by rubber band than by wire..it sucks. Transmission shifts seem fairly tidy, but they're kind of here or there.

Any advice to offer?

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2 seconds? not on a naturally aspirated engine without forced induction or nitrous in gobs. 

 

Ecoboost, yes, absolutely, it has been done over and over.   Tune + highE fuel, suspension/tire/brake mods, etc. can get you close to or into the low 12's on an ecoboost (sedans).  CUVs and SUVs fight that drag factor tho, so you look to turbos, intercooler, etc.

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Its funny but I read these threads all the time where people say intake, throttle body, porting and exhaust do nothing. Sorry but I beg to differ. A tune alone can often add 20hp and thats nothing to sneeze at. Better flow via intake and TB can add another 5-10hp in upper range WOT power. Exhaust does nothing? If you just chop off a muffler, yes, probably not much, but larger tubing, hi-flo cats, free-flow mufflers/resonators, swapping "T" joint for "Y" pipes can all make a difference.

If none of this stuff works, why does the factory do exactly the same things when they offer higher HP models?

I've done most of the above mods to my convertible and it went from a sedate cruiser to a hair-trigger, growling animal that peels rubber from a stoplight (it never did that before)

No, mods for a N/A engine will not yield 80-100hp like cranking the boost on a turbo, but it will make it more fun to drive and wont destroy the MPG like a turbo does.

My EcoBoost Escape is rated for 28 hi-way and its NEVER hit that number in the almost 4 years I've owned it. But I dont drive it 55mph either. Maybe it would get that number falling off a cliff. I have a good friend with a heavy-modded Focus ST and he freely admits the car is a monster (it IS) but the mpg went to hell in a handbag.

DO a better intake, TB (optional) a tune and better exhaust. Any competent exhaust shop can fab up a system to your specs for a fraction of the cost of an out-of-the-box stainless cat-back system. Yes, stainless will last but its mighty pricey.

You'll enjoy the noise and the better performance without killing you at the gas pump.

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The factory does a better than average job with the intake and exhaust and people doing just intake and exhaust changes have reported very little if any power gains.  This is different than other vehicles in the past.  And most people wouldn’t consider a 5-10 hp bump as considerate or worth the extra cost.

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I agree that if you just slap a cone filter on with out the heat shield or just delete a muffler you will probably see very little gain but a lot more noise. Taking the time and a little extra effort and expense makes a big difference. The cost of tuning a turbo engine vs N/A is no different and exhaust expense can actually be more if you invest in a downpipe. Intercoolers are pricey anywhere you get them but intake/tune/exhaust on N/A can easily yield more like 30 hp/trq and that's worthwhile. Both of my current vehicles are 2013 so I don't consider them past technology.

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I went the canned tune and CAI route on my Mustang looking for that instant gratification only to be disappointed in the results. It took a PD supercharger and lots of💰 to get the desired results.

The Eco boost platform on the other hand as all kinds of potential, the 3.5 NA not so much. I'd put that money in an Edge Sport/ST savings account.

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On 12/8/2020 at 6:16 PM, WWWPerfA_ZN0W said:

2 seconds? not on a naturally aspirated engine without forced induction or nitrous in gobs. 

 

Ecoboost, yes, absolutely, it has been done over and over.   Tune + highE fuel, suspension/tire/brake mods, etc. can get you close to or into the low 12's on an ecoboost (sedans).  CUVs and SUVs fight that drag factor tho, so you look to turbos, intercooler, etc.

 

I beg to differ.

 

 

 

Stock was nearly 9 seconds.

A stock Explorer sport is 6.4 seconds.

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On 12/18/2020 at 10:47 AM, akirby said:

The factory does a better than average job with the intake and exhaust and people doing just intake and exhaust changes have reported very little if any power gains.  This is different than other vehicles in the past.  And most people wouldn’t consider a 5-10 hp bump as considerate or worth the extra cost.

 

Decent job, yea.

 

Over a half of a second drop when I had my 11 edge from an intake I made, filter and throttle body.

 

 

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