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The owners manual says that high octane fuel is recommended but not required. I also remember seeing high octane recommendations when shopping for the car back in 2017. The computer system of the car should adjust timing so there is no knock when using regular (no pre-ignition from regular gas).  But high octane fuel should also give a more forceful ignition. Is that contributing to the coolant leak?  My ford dealer has changed several of the engines and does not find anything visibly wrong with any part.  Others have mentioned that the design of the engine itself is faulty but does high octane fuel contribute to its failure?

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Recommended is very different to "specifies" - main reason being that using anything less than the recommended cannot be a factor when deciding a warranty claim.

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12 hours ago, cbaker732 said:

What type of gas do you use if you have had a coolant leak in the 2.0 L ecoboost engine, 2nd generation? A class action lawsuit filed claims the seals and engine were not designed correctly, causing a coolant leak that requires a total engine replacement to fix. Ford specifies high octane fuel for the engine. If you had a coolant leak, did you use only high octane fuel or did you use regular routinely? 

I have always used regular gas (87). I don’t have visible coolant leak, but if coolant (water) in cylinders and loss of coolant is considered a form of leak, then yes there is a leak. 

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4 hours ago, 1004ron said:

Recommended is very different to "specifies" - main reason being that using anything less than the recommended cannot be a factor when deciding a warranty claim.

Sorry, but do you mean that because it’s only recommending something it doesn’t mean it needs it? Sorry just trying to understand.

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10 minutes ago, Dulce said:

Sorry, but do you mean that because it’s only recommending something it doesn’t mean it needs it? Sorry just trying to understand.

I see, you were responding to cbaker732 About gas usage. 

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On 8/25/2021 at 5:07 PM, Tcinci said:

My 2016 Edge with 95k just started losing coolant. Like others no sign of an external leak.  Losing about 5-6oz per day.  I’ve been watching it since I first read about this problem last year.  Guess it’s my turn.  Anyway, has anyone tried Blue Devil head gasket sealer?  I used that on an old Mazda3 head gasket leak with good results.  I’m thinking to try it here too.  

I’m sorry you are also having the issue. But I have seen it on videos but I have not tried it. 

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12 hours ago, cbaker732 said:

What type of gas do you use if you have had a coolant leak in the 2.0 L ecoboost engine, 2nd generation? A class action lawsuit filed claims the seals and engine were not designed correctly, causing a coolant leak that requires a total engine replacement to fix. Ford specifies high octane fuel for the engine. If you had a coolant leak, did you use only high octane fuel or did you use regular routinely? 

 

16 minutes ago, Dulce said:

Sorry, but do you mean that because it’s only recommending something it doesn’t mean it needs it? Sorry just trying to understand.

Because it is only a recommendation by Ford, not a specification, there may be some gain using the higher octane, but using lower octane will not damage the engine and will not be a factor in any possible warranty claim.

 

This model engines manufacturing defect is totally unrelated to the fuel used.

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On 9/14/2021 at 5:33 PM, Tcinci said:

Why isn’t this just a head gasket change? Or if it’s the head casting that’s micro racking the a head change. I don’t understand the block change. 

I asked the same question and was told that the cost for part + labor work to just change the gasket was high and wouldn’t guarantee a fix and will end up with double cost.🤷🏻‍♀️

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12 minutes ago, Dulce said:

I’m sorry you are also having the issue. But I have seen it on videos but I have not tried it. 

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has anyone tried Blue Devil head gasket sealer?

 

Forget about the sealant rabbit hole - its already been stated here that's not a cure for the issue discussed in this thread.

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On 9/15/2021 at 9:24 AM, akirby said:


Because it’s a flaw in the block coolant passages.  They used a slot and that lead to cracking in the block.  They changed it to a drilled passage.

 

11 minutes ago, Dulce said:

I asked the same question and was told that the cost for part + labor work to just change the gasket was high and wouldn’t guarantee a fix and will end up with double cost.🤷🏻‍♀️

Slow down and take just a little time to read this thread - the questions you're asking have already been covered.

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On 5/24/2021 at 8:17 AM, 1004ron said:

Has anyone had assistance from Ford when this failure occurred outside the warranty mileage and period?

I’m not even bothering, from the sound of it Ford is not taking responsibility for problem. I wish everyone the best on this issue, really sad. But for a huge company like Ford, I’m sure they don’t care about the little guy. So this issue is not a priority to them meaning the loss is minimal to them. So sad 😭 

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50 minutes ago, Dulce said:

I’m not even bothering, from the sound of it Ford is not taking responsibility for problem. I wish everyone the best on this issue, really sad. But for a huge company like Ford, I’m sure they don’t care about the little guy. So this issue is not a priority to them meaning the loss is minimal to them. So sad 😭 


They are taking responsibility by fixing the problem under warranty and with a new block design.  What they’re not doing is extending the warranty to cover failures that happen after the 5 yr/60K powertrain warranty.   However, you also had the option to purchase an extended warranty and chose not to.

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48 minutes ago, akirby said:


They are taking responsibility by fixing the problem under warranty and with a new block design.  What they’re not doing is extending the warranty to cover failures that happen after the 5 yr/60K powertrain warranty.   However, you also had the option to purchase an extended warranty and chose not to.

Yup, exactly!!!  Since I was responding to the question asking “ Has anyone had assistance from Ford when this failure occurred “outside the warranty mileage and period?“ 👍🏽….. In other words since my car is out of warranty Ford is not taking responsibility for it and I wouldn’t bother asking or expect any assistance from Ford. Hope thats a little more clear on what I ment.

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yes, people have received such assistance from Ford.  most have been lucky to have purchased an extended warranty, but polite & persistent negotiation on a vehicle with reasonable mileage (12-15K / yr or under 100K i would say) HAS yielded results.

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Yes, Ford does do AWAs - after warranty adjustment.  But it’s done in conjunction with the dealer.  
 

I don’t agree that it’s the mfrs responsibility to fix anything out of warranty, especially when you have the opportunity to purchase an extended warranty.  When you buy something you know exactly what the mfr covers and you choose whether to buy extra coverage.

 

I do think mfrs SHOULD extend the warranty for these types of problems as a matter of good customer service.  I just don’t think they are obligated to do so.

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23 minutes ago, CARR142 said:

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That guy waffles - does he have a point, if so what is it?

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4 hours ago, akirby said:

I do think mfrs SHOULD extend the warranty for these types of problems as a matter of good customer service.  I just don’t think they are obligated to do so.

and THAT is the American way lol.  If you make a blunder as big as this one, they SHOULD cover it.  bad bearing, or grinding RDU, ok i will agree it's totally up to them. but engine failure? no way it should be an option.  the manufacturer is just playing the waiting game, knowing most of the owners are too timid to pipe up and ask for a square deal.

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4 hours ago, 1004ron said:

That guy waffles - does he have a point, if so what is it?

 

That he's full of himself.

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2016 Ford edge 2.0 108k+ mileage falls under the (TSB 19-2346) and needs new engine block. 
- currently my car has shown no signs of over heating

- does have rough start 

- some coolant loss but not alot at once

- water noise 

I have decided to just keep driving it and just check coolant levels to make sure it doesn’t overheat? I will keep you guys posted see how long it last, wish me luck 🙏😁

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Hi guys, had to sign up to report. I just got hit with the slowly missing coolant myself last week. No external leaks. Some of you have reported a steady dripping stream ffaucetsound inside the dash. I got that as well. Notice that happens after the coolant goes low a bit. Top it off and the sound is gone. But now I'm looking at a crazy high bill! What's the average cost and have any of you gotten help from Ford themselves with the cost?  I'm aware of the lawsuit since lots of owner are getting bit by this. https://www.lieffcabraser.com/defect/ford-coolant/ My main question is what I said above. How much out of pocket and has fors done anything for good of faith in helping?

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On 10/28/2021 at 8:48 AM, Dulce said:

2016 Ford edge 2.0 108k+ mileage falls under the (TSB 19-2346) and needs new engine block. 
- currently my car has shown no signs of over heating

- does have rough start 

- some coolant loss but not alot at once

- water noise 

I have decided to just keep driving it and just check coolant levels to make sure it doesn’t overheat? I will keep you guys posted see how long it last, wish me luck 🙏😁

I'm in the same boat with you. Exact. Mines seems to eat about 1/4 a cup of coolan daily. So takes about a week to see a drop that's half a inch below the line. I'm thinking of just driving it and add water once a week. This possibly will be my last ford.

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arbitration will have more positive results than lawsuits, going by past history.  you should find a law firm that is doing arbitration with ford, if you cannot get assistance by applying to them directly.

 

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Quick question. If rhe 2.0L get the long block replacement, what exactly gets replaced? Do you essentially get a brand new engine? Like the top end head gets replaced aswell with a new head and valves? What gets reused? Like does the turbo also get replaced with a new one or do they reinstall your old turbo? Debating if the 8k is worth dropping for it or just move one from the car.

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