WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 if you are suffering coolant loss, there is a higher likelihood of needing a replacement engine. hope you have powertrain warranty from somewhere, Ford or insurance co, or otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17Ville2.0 Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 (edited) Thanks for the info, guys. Just so I can be prepared, what is the actual issue with these engines to where not even a gasket will fix it? and I domy know that I’m necessarily losing coolant, but air is definitely getting into the system somehow. I noticed the level had dropped since I burped it a few days ago, so I checked the level on a cold engine and it had dropped slightly below minimum on the overflow jug. However when I unscrewed the cap, air escaped and the level rose back up. Edited October 3, 2021 by 17Ville2.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jBJQQtJ635aSGsMyyFRKCFyFNNo1KnNw/view?usp=sharing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulce Posted October 16, 2021 Report Share Posted October 16, 2021 (edited) Help!!…. My 16 Ford edge is driving me nuts!!!….. water noise when I turn car on and idling, during acceleration (while on park), during driving (streets, up hill, down hill, coming to a stop) not so much when on freeway. Currently No other symptoms (no over heating, no coolant loss/leaks, ac/heater working) I have had 3different mechanics look at it, I had thermostat replaced(due to coolant backflow /replacement resolved that) radiator cap replaced (just incase), cooling system burped/bled, AC drain checked for clog( was advice no clog). Nothing has helped with loud annoying water noise. Sound of Water rushing through. ** I noticed it all after coolant flush** i don’t know if i should have the coolant flushed again or what to do. I’m out of ideas ? Edited October 16, 2021 by Dulce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 possibly air in the cooling system. what engine in your Edge? 2.0/3.5/2.7? ecoboosts are more prone to developing air pockets during coolant flushes, and can be a devil to get out on the 2.0. 3.5 is pretty good about it, 2.7 can be more troublesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulce Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 2.0 Engine size yes we believe it’s possible air in cooling system but with no luck to take air out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted October 18, 2021 Report Share Posted October 18, 2021 for what it is worth.. I had what i thought was a boiling coolant sound (more of a gentle bubbling sound) in the rear turbo when i came off the highway on hot days. One day i turned off my A/C to hear it better.. and it stopped. It turns out, i was hearing the refrigerant boiling in the evaporator. air in the cooling system will usually burp itself out if the reservoir / header tank is kept on the high side of the range, unless its a large pocket of air, then you'll crack a head before it purges itself on some engines Vacuum filling is the only answer for those cases 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted October 19, 2021 Report Share Posted October 19, 2021 since you have a gen 2 with a 2.0, i would make sure a coolant intrusion issue is not in progress. check coolant level regularly, should pretty much hold steady with engine off and at ambient. if the CEL ever flashes, you may be looking at a block replacement in the future. Ford has issued a TSB for this issue https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jBJQQtJ635aSGsMyyFRKCFyFNNo1KnNw/view?usp=sharing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulce Posted October 19, 2021 Report Share Posted October 19, 2021 So I was just advised I need a whole new engine. They said water in cylinders due to possible gasket broken/cracked and it’s recommended to get a whole new engine due to cost of just replacing the gasket and having issues later requiring new engine. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulce Posted October 19, 2021 Report Share Posted October 19, 2021 10 hours ago, WWWPerfA_ZN0W said: since you have a gen 2 with a 2.0, i would make sure a coolant intrusion issue is not in progress. check coolant level regularly, should pretty much hold steady with engine off and at ambient. if the CEL ever flashes, you may be looking at a block replacement in the future. Ford has issued a TSB for this issue https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jBJQQtJ635aSGsMyyFRKCFyFNNo1KnNw/view?usp=sharing I just opened the link… going to read it. I’m so stressed. I can’t believe just 5 yrs old and it needs new engine. I kept it well maintained and just put over $400 on maintenance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted October 19, 2021 Report Share Posted October 19, 2021 sorry amigo. this has been bad news for many many members on our FB pages as well Ford corporate to date has helped cover some/most of the bill in some cases tho, when the mileage is reasonable. I would apply to them for assistance, the dealer may provide support in this regard, ask them. The numbers (%ages) may not support it, but we would like to see at least a Customer Satisfaction Program bulletin issued on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulce Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 56 minutes ago, WWWPerfA_ZN0W said: sorry amigo. this has been bad news for many many members on our FB pages as well Ford corporate to date has helped cover some/most of the bill in some cases tho, when the mileage is reasonable. I would apply to them for assistance, the dealer may provide support in this regard, ask them. The numbers (%ages) may not support it, but we would like to see at least a Customer Satisfaction Program bulletin issued on it. I will take all the help I can get. I still owe $14k on my car loan so seen it’s going to cost me about $8k or more (I’m just guessing I don’t really know the price) really hurts. At this point I guess taking out a loan to get new engine ?. Thank you all for your kindness and time to share your thoughts. This is awesome ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1004ron Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 My work associate had his replaced by a good indy shop, who bought the new long block from Ford and it came to around $4,500 for the whole job, with no help from Ford. I suggest that we merge this with the existing thread on the issue. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulce Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, 1004ron said: My work associate had his replaced by a good indy shop, who bought the new long block from Ford and it came to around $4,500 for the whole job, with no help from Ford. I suggest that we merge this with the existing thread on the issue. So now that I’m little more calm and not running like “a chicken without a head” I was reading everything carefully and a little confused in regards to the term “ long block engine” v “engine”. So do I not need a whole new engine or only the long block engine or are they the same thing? Sorry, just confused on whats what and what will definitely fix the issue? Edited October 20, 2021 by Dulce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbaker732 Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 What type of gas do you use if you have had a coolant leak in the 2.0 L ecoboost engine, 2nd generation? A class action lawsuit filed claims the seals and engine were not designed correctly, causing a coolant leak that requires a total engine replacement to fix. Ford specifies high octane fuel for the engine. If you had a coolant leak, did you use only high octane fuel or did you use regular routinely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 most all ford engines run fine on 87 (regular) fuel. there may be a few premium options like the Ford GT, or Shelby Cobras that require 93, but not on mass production vehicles. it is recommended that ecoboost engines run on premium, for better power/knock resistance since the engines are high compression, but really only needed if you get into it often or tow regularly, live in hilly areas, etc. the engines being referred to are likely 2015-2018 MY 2.0, and type of gas is irrelevant to the subject of the lawsuit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1004ron Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 6 hours ago, cbaker732 said: Ford specifies high octane fuel for the engine. Where did you read that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 (edited) On 10/19/2021 at 8:10 PM, Dulce said: I will take all the help I can get. I still owe $14k on my car loan so seen it’s going to cost me about $8k or more (I’m just guessing I don’t really know the price) really hurts. At this point I guess taking out a loan to get new engine ?. Thank you all for your kindness and time to share your thoughts. This is awesome ? have you or your dealer contacted Ford Corporate? if the mileage on your vehicle is reasonable, they should provide assistance. sometimes doing to mediation with the assistance of an attorney can get better results than a lawsuit if you are unable to get assistance directly. As always, i highly recommend people buying used vehicles with the 2015-2018 MY 420 cleveland stickered engines tread lightly. Buy Ford ESP and factor that into the price you pay for the vehicle. Or avoid entirely. This is a huge black eye for Ford, and you should not be taking it on the chin for them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kgo-h_LhjeE Edited October 23, 2021 by WWWPerfA_ZN0W 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbaker732 Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 The owners manual says that high octane fuel is recommended but not required. I also remember seeing high octane recommendations when shopping for the car back in 2017. The computer system of the car should adjust timing so there is no knock when using regular (no pre-ignition from regular gas). But high octane fuel should also give a more forceful ignition. Is that contributing to the coolant leak? My ford dealer has changed several of the engines and does not find anything visibly wrong with any part. Others have mentioned that the design of the engine itself is faulty but does high octane fuel contribute to its failure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 it is a machining problem with the block, nothing else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1004ron Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 (edited) Recommended is very different to "specifies" - main reason being that using anything less than the recommended cannot be a factor when deciding a warranty claim. Edited October 23, 2021 by 1004ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulce Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 12 hours ago, cbaker732 said: What type of gas do you use if you have had a coolant leak in the 2.0 L ecoboost engine, 2nd generation? A class action lawsuit filed claims the seals and engine were not designed correctly, causing a coolant leak that requires a total engine replacement to fix. Ford specifies high octane fuel for the engine. If you had a coolant leak, did you use only high octane fuel or did you use regular routinely? I have always used regular gas (87). I don’t have visible coolant leak, but if coolant (water) in cylinders and loss of coolant is considered a form of leak, then yes there is a leak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulce Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 4 hours ago, 1004ron said: Recommended is very different to "specifies" - main reason being that using anything less than the recommended cannot be a factor when deciding a warranty claim. Sorry, but do you mean that because it’s only recommending something it doesn’t mean it needs it? Sorry just trying to understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulce Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 10 minutes ago, Dulce said: Sorry, but do you mean that because it’s only recommending something it doesn’t mean it needs it? Sorry just trying to understand. I see, you were responding to cbaker732 About gas usage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulce Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 On 8/25/2021 at 5:07 PM, Tcinci said: My 2016 Edge with 95k just started losing coolant. Like others no sign of an external leak. Losing about 5-6oz per day. I’ve been watching it since I first read about this problem last year. Guess it’s my turn. Anyway, has anyone tried Blue Devil head gasket sealer? I used that on an old Mazda3 head gasket leak with good results. I’m thinking to try it here too. I’m sorry you are also having the issue. But I have seen it on videos but I have not tried it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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