Headlight replacement

[edgemaster]

Guys, I need to replace a headlight on my 2009 Edge LTD. The wife had an unfortunate encounter with a buzzard and the left headlight didn't survive it. I'm planning to replace the original ones with LED-equipped ones. Are there any issues with the wiring known? The new light are plug compatible. Is that good enough?

[enigma-2]

You may find this site useful. 

https://www.instructables.com/How-To-Convert-Your-Headlight-Bulbs-to-LED/

 

I seen these new LED types online and they seem to be a real breakthrough. And Drive Bright has an excellent reputation. 

https://drivebright.com/shop/led-headlight-replacement-kit-new/

[edgemaster]

Well, I need to replace the entire headlights, not just the bulbs and I am concerned that the wiring would support that.

[enigma-2]

According to the owners manual, the low beam bulb is a H11 and the high beam uses a 9005 bulb. 

 

A H11 bulb is rated at 55 watts, or 55 watts ÷ 12 volts = 4.6 Amps. Both bulbs are fused at 15 Amps. (Fuse #23).

 

9005 is rated at 65 watts. 65 watts ÷ 12 volts = 5.4 Amps. Each bulb is fused at 10 Amps. (Fuse #7 & #8).

 

Using the Drive Bright bulbs I posted above, they are rated at 45 watts. (As an example).

 

So yes, the wiring would handle the LED bulbs. (However high intensity bulbs would almost certainly require a relay and additional direct wiring).

[edgemaster]

Thanks for the details, very much appreciated.

So, these headlights (https://www.ebay.com/itm/304487583413?fits=Year%3A2009%7CModel%3AEdge%7CMake%3AFord&_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20220310133107%26meid%3Da9a0b26ba0b14372a50a0d43e19c1968%26pid%3D101196%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D371701026992%26itm%3D304487583413%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplAMLv9PairwiseWithPLXWebFitmentFilterConfirmFitSignal%26brand%3DSpec-D+Tuning&_trksid=p2047675.c101196.m2219&amdata=cksum%3A304487583413a9a0b26ba0b14372a50a0d43e19c1968%7Cenc%3AAQAHAAABIAzdIKOcP6rVYsexH8mCu6YYN0SdXxqICy66h220Th%252FC6c6aZpFIEmATXPImB6gOXUa%252FXvip3BRuztnBr5L4o8yl3taFAIknfwFrm0z3Y9VnDHGA1CHSifS8KnJuG8oa8c%252BHwhfecpb1dw%252FdQgPeSbsfwlikSFnsJdTz%252FshAYHas8zNNxjHyxVCniq2H73ldK%252BoVsFL%252Bbjj4FZWypjYWotzAny9hDqUR6%252F7hzGPi3WzNVXQybzxncI2earll562MhAL%252FSms9e24yXoCTNUsF2prvVG6EWli0AROahmaSa7tJgkSL%252BMWL0mpIv%252FyOoywLkrGJm4z2oUy99tmXZY7xr0GoyHEEizvlrNWuzp06bFABBbvp9ueFos4TehuHvAzBQw%253D%253D%7Campid%3APL_CLK%7Cclp%3A2047675&epid=27053854069)

wouldn't create any problems with the wiring or the fuses, right?

[enigma-2]

As those are HALOGEN, I'd say yes. Less than $250 for BOTH headlamp assemblies? Great price. 

[edgemaster]

Does anybody know what lumens the stock bulbs have?

[edgemaster]

I just found out from the vendor of the above headlamp assemblies this: 

Low beam: 220,000 lumens
Hi beam: 260,000 lumens

Can that be true?

[edgemaster]

I questioned their liberal usage of the Zeros and they finally corrected the figures to 2200 and 2600 respectively. Still, I would be interested in learning what the stock lumen figures are. Apparently nobody knows.

[enigma-2]

2009 Ford Edge uses a 9005 bulb. A  Sylvania 9005 Basic Halogen Headlight Bulb is rated at 1,700 lumens. 

 

State laws usually limit the output to between 2,000 lumens to 4,000 lumens. Friend (County) told me they don't get concerned unless the vehicle is throwing out too much glare. Then its usually written as a warning, subject to having it inspected at a later date. A smart ass will get a citation and court date.

Edited November 6, 2022 by enigma-2

[edgemaster]

So, with 2200 and 2600 lumens, I'd be on the safe site. Thanks for the info.

[edgemaster]

Guys, just received those new headlights that I had mentioned in an earlier post. They came with 2 resistors in case the blinker bulbs are LEDs. I'm planning to use the stock bulbs for the time being so I don't have to install those resistors, right?

However, If I planned to install LED blinker bulbs, do I have to do it on all fours or can I mix? Do I need 4 resistors or just 1 per side?

Another question: there are 2 pairs of white/black wires coming out of the unit, one pair on top, the other pair on the bottom. What are they for?

I had contacted the seller but the support people don't seem to know what they're talking about (same gal that told me about 260000 lumens per bulb).

[edgemaster]

I have received those headlights and I am somewhat confused about the electrical wiring.
There is a red and black wire and two pairs of black/white wires, one pair at the bottom and the other pair at the top of the unit.
Also there are 2 resistors in their heat sinks. Where do all the wires and the resistors go go?
Thanks,
Ed

[edgemaster]

Nobody out there who can tell me what that darn resistor is good for?

[enigma-2]

Standard incandescent bulbs draw (perhaps 3 amps, just guessing) and LEDs perhaps 1/10 that amount. The SJB monitors the current draw of the total bor both bulbs (front and rear) to determine the flash rate. It expects the rated draw of the combined bulbs. If its half or less it thinks one bulb is burned out and doubles the flash rate to tell you that one of the bulbs is burned out. With LED bulbs, the SJB will measure only a fraction of the expected current draw and hyper-flashes the turn signal. Adding a resistor in series increases the load for that bulb and the SJB is happy (thinking it's an incandescent bulb).

 

They make turn signal LED bulbs with resistors built in. Plug and play. (Easier installation).

Example (there are several offerers listed on Amazon).

3157 3057 3357 4157 Turn Signal White Yellow Amber Switchback Led Light Bulbs 22 SMD with Projector, for Standard Socket, Not CK, Pair of 2 https://a.co/d/dsqMKHX

[1004ron]

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Adding a resistor in series increases the load for that bulb and the SJB is happy (thinking it's an incandescent bulb).

Shouldn't that be "parallel" ?

 

Not sure, but expect its possible on the Edge, on my wife's 2015 Mustang I disabled the hyperflash using Forscan.

Edited December 17, 2022 by 1004ron

[enigma-2]

As I understand it, once disabled, it works but you won't be notified when a LED burns out. Guess its a price you have to pay. 

 

Wonder if it's possible to reprogram the bcm to accept LEDs in liew of incandescent? Seems possible.

[edgemaster]

Guys, thanks for the input. Since I'm currently not replacing the turn signal bulbs I won't be needing the resistors at all, right?

[edgemaster]

Guys, there are 2 connectors for the low and high beam. Can someone tell mw which is which? I'm trying to connect the new headlights and I'm getting conflicting explanations from the vendor. They can't even tell me what all the loose wires are good for. I may have to install the old headlights just to get the car going on short notice. It's all pretty frustrating.

[Haz]

PDF download links for headlamp wiring diagram and electrical connector detail documents from 2009 Edge Workshop Manual...

 

Headlamp Wiring Diagram - 2009 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf

LOW BEAM LAMP, LEFT FRONT Connector C1111 Details - 2009 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf

HIGH BEAM LAMP, LEFT FRONT Connector C1020 Details - 2009 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf

LOW BEAM LAMP, RIGHT FRONT Connector C1112 Details - 2009 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf

HIGH BEAM LAMP, RIGHT FRONT Connector C1040 Details - 2009 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf

 

 

Good luck!

 

[edgemaster]

Haz, thanks a lot!

[edgemaster]

Finally installed the headlights, everything works fine.

Thanks for all the input, greatly appreciated.

Ed

[edgemaster]

I was too fast with my praise. The wife drives very seldom in the dark so I just found out that there seems to be a problem with the high beam. I can turn it on but it doesn't turn off. Only when I turn off the lights completely and back on, the high beam is off. Next time I use it stays on again. Can someone explain what is going on here?

Thanks,

Ed

[enigma-2]

Sounds like a relay isn't getting the signal to drop out. Perhaps if you could post a schematic of what wiring you changed. 

 

We're assuming that everything worked properly before the modification. 

[edgemaster]

Yes, it did work before with the original Ford headlights.

I did not change the wiring for the high beam at all, just connected it to the car wiring.