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On 4/17/2020 at 1:52 PM, JoeVic said:

 

 

Unfortunately it seems like Ford is continuing to cut corners $25 to $75 at a time.  Those small things like the instrument panel hidden drawer, under-hood insulation, dual compartment center console, etc. that folks have gotten accustomed to, get chopped by Ford.  And while they are minor issues, they are things I have gotten used to using and would miss.

That's an understatement; especially with the 2020 Edge. I mean really to remove the storage door on top of the dash is one thing, but to not even at least redesign the surrounding trim to at lease make it not appear as if it was left off in production accidentally is just ridiculous - borderline embarrassing. I would have refused delivery if my vehicle came in that way -vs a 2019. It's like they are not evening trying especially with interior quality. The interior if the 2020 Explorer is almost embarrassing to own -vs it MSRP and that's after having a few of them for weeks - it's that bad assembly-size and material selection-wise. Wait until you see the 2021 Bronco(s) - another Fischer-price inspired interior. IMO Ford needs a leader that is a car person, not a cheep furniture hack. Say what you want about profit margins, but only someone who understands that a car is an expression of oneself, will be about to show Fords how to do this - then the profits margins will be there for sure.

I drive a 2017 Edge Sport for the winter, but I have other vehicles besides the 2019 ST to put away:

4 hours ago, IWRBB said:

 

 

They won't just flash it to the latest software simply because you ask them to.  That 1/2 hour costs money and is NOT covered under warranty unless there is an issue the customer is complaining about.  To simply say, "I want the latest software" is not a valid issue that gets warranty coverage.  A particular dealer may eat the cost to keep you happy, but it's not the norm.      

Hmm must have a crappy dealer. I emailed the service mgr at the Auto Group I deal with the TSB in Q and just ask if I could come by and have it applied - no issues. Again it's made a world of difference for my ST.

Yes the ST/RS programs and support seems to be watered down from what it stated out as. It's too bad, for I for one like to see some add'l Edge ST only factory options like Recaro seat option, et' al like there is on other ST models. 

Although this is a great conversation, I think the topic perhaps has run off course. The absence of Ford Performance Parts from Ford was more of a question as to why would other Ford ST models get this type of support from Ford and not the Edge; not to try and single out the ST for trying to be something that it's not. It is warmed-over Sport ? I can certainly see it being viewed that way, but all the reviews that I've seen / read, they seem to be wanting some sort of X3M competitor and that's never what any ST model was. I have an 2014 Audi SQ5 and it may be in a similar SUV class, I never expected the Edge ST to be a replacement for my SQ5 - it's just not. Just as I would never get a Focus RS to replace my Audi RS5. Has Ford been misleading in it's marketing of the Edge ST against other performances makes like Audi S/RS and BMW M-sport and M ? If so I' have not seen anything like that. Perhaps we are just wanting more out of the ST that was never really promised; but I can agree with Ford could go much further performance-wise with the Edge ST than it has.  - hence my original Q.

Just now, Special_K said:

 

To each their own.  

 

there is no more or less torque vectoring in the ST than there is in the sport.

 

someone needs to put same wheels and tires on a sport and ST and set some track times......ill put money on the Sport will come out on top.

Sounds like you need to put that money towards a trade-up to the ST

Just now, Special_K said:

 

This makes me chuckle in all the right places.  The ST is heavier, weaker and worse in pretty much every way possible except traction, than the sport

I actually own both a 2017 Edge Sport that  I drive for the winter months and I have a 2019 ST I took delivery of early August. There is no doubt that the ST is worlds better not just including every day performance [not just track]. The build quality especially fitment of the interior and the materials [they seem very similarity but the 2019 is indeed of much better quality]; from torque-vectoring, much better trans [after the latest update] all the way down the B&O audio system. That god-awful Sony system is enough to make you trade the vehicle in just in itself  I'm not saying the Sport is a bad vehicle, it's very nice - but It's not the ST. Reason I put away the ST with my other vehicles for the winter and drive the Sport...

Just now, Special_K said:

 

Performance brake option means nothing sadly, just red calipers.

 

I've had the ford parts guy cross reference on multiple occasions.

I think your over-stating things: Yes these are calipers from the Ford parts bin, but they are from a different vehicle offering and are more capable than non-ST: 

Performance Brake Package Options
• Unique front rotors and dust shields
optimized for cooling. Unique, red
painted calipers with ST tuned pad
formulation front and rear.

Are they Brembo ? No they never said they were; but hence my Q on some Ford performance parts that do have Brembo brake offerings. 

Just now, Fingernip said:

Ford has always listed it as a performance vehicle. They even brag about it being redesigned by the ford performance team specifically vs the sport. 

https://performance.ford.com/ lists it and its listed on the main website under performance models. I think budget is a concern.. They haven't even updated to a 2019 catalog.

 

This was my point; it's definitely listed as "performance vehicle" by ford - hence why I was surprised not to see any parts available for the Edge ST, but there are for every other vehicle categorized by Ford as "performance". Yes it''s true there are mostly female drivers for the Edge that I see, but not the ST which I've only seen male drivers. Same goes for the Explorer: definitely a chick SUV until you get to the Sport model. 

7 minutes ago, 1004ron said:

What type of Performance Parts, that aren't shared with the Sport, did you have in mind? 

I'd like to see some add'l brake [I do have the performance brake option], exhaust, suspension and some interior upgrades as well  - like a flat bottom steering wheel. The listing for the Focus ST is fairly comprehensive: https://performanceparts.ford.com/focus/

Happen to take a  look over at https://performanceparts.ford.com and to my surprise there's no parts for the ST available ? I still see the availability of parts for Focus ST, Fiesta, et' al, but again - seems surprising that Ford would not have some parts available by now, if they did indeed ever intend to.

Just had the new TSB done as well today; immediately feel the difference in the response, shift quality, shift timing - just seems well put together now. Was sick of clearing the adaptive cache every few weeks. My biggest issue prior; along with the drop-the-trans-out-the-bottom reverse engagement; was a constant dead pedal feeling - that is now gone. Just a hair on the accelerator now and it's moving briskly. I have not tried sport mode, but this is a seriously powerful motor so it should feel quick on it's feet.

Not sure if anyone has seen this, but this looks a little odd - like it's an extended wheelbase, or an [L] version - or the roof rack is creating an illusion of a longer-than-usual Edge. Check out the interior - WTF is that screen ? There is a video of the Edge Vinagle as well in the link; love the leather wrapped dash/console/door panels, and especially the carpeted trunk panels on the side. I wonder if you could order those as it looks like a direct swap. 

https://www.formacar.com/en/news/view/17799.html

What tune are you using - the 93 with factory shifts ?

16 minutes ago, onyxbfly said:

Thanks for sharing the pics!  I agree with you the leather trim is definitely a step up from the offering we have here.   I'm not surprised at all because Ford does not have a Lincoln Division in Europe. The closest thing they had to a Lincoln division was the Vingale.  I'm sure it is with a closer eye on detail.  Would love to have access to the digital dash and leather accouterments! I know someone will say if I wanted all of that I should have brought a Lincoln. 

 

Now if you could persuade your friend to ship some goodies across the pond.....

Yes you are correct no EU Lincoln - for now; but still looks at what the Explorer Platinum leather trimmings do to - what is arguably a bland dash design overall. Plus, look at how many main stream brands have leather [or leatherette] dash/panel trimmings now for 2019 -2020. A good ex is the new Toyota RAV-4. Come on Ford, just because you have a luxury division is no excuse to not put your best foot forward - there's room for both.

What kind of goodies are you referring to ?

One of my co-workers that consults for Ford of Europe took delivery of a 2910 ST-Line, and with that I was surprised to see that his vehicle has leather trimmings and stitching on the dash [full dash coverage], and on all the upper door panels. He even has the current ford Explorer [platinum] /Lincoln digital dash. I'm indifferent to the digital dash seen here as it's not a full digital offering, but the leather trimmings makes the ST interior looks worlds better; I wonder why this is not available in the US  ? The leather trimming seen to be very similar to what is available in the US spec Explorer Platinum. 

Photos [Ford Europe media]

6 minutes ago, omar302 said:

Yes. On the Edge the shade has to open fully before the glass part will move or tilt. 

Thanks for the response. I'll haver to ask the dealer if this is adjustable somehow; I have young kids and I like to have the vent open all-the-time, but it's also nice to have the back glass blocked  to keep the sun off them while in the vent position. I wonder why this is unique to the Edge and not any other for products then - as least that I've come across. I have 2 BL Lincolns and even in my BL Nautilus, it stops at the glass seam.

Hi,

As I just ordered an Edge ST, I had a Q on the sunroof sunshade: I noticed in the dealer drop-off ST that I had,  that the sunshade opens up fully prior to the sunroof venting. Whereas in any other of my previous ford/lincoln products, the sunshade only opens to the seam where the fix glass meets the movable glass, then the sunroof vents.

Is this typical behavior of this sunroof ?

Thanks !

Thought this thread sounded familiar:

- 2011 Edge Sport:

- Lexus IS350 Sleeping for the Winter: