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FordMan1977, I will take the blame...yet denying your sickness is the first step to overcome towards your recovery..ha kidding. Keep up the runs and keep me posted...I will look up what exhaust I have & Post (have not forgot). I thought my MPG's were getting better on my explorer (last vehicle) until I thought about why (I have not done anything to the vehicle)...it was my tires were ~6/32" shorter (about 1/5") thus throws car computer off and the tires were now lighter and easier to turn...plus had less rolling resistance against road (after ~5-10K miles use)...this all equated to ~1 mpg or about a 6% difference (16.5mpg went to 17.5). Something to think about? Jay

FordMan, WOW! Those are some (consistantly) smoking times...congrats. For an AWD weighing ~4300LBS (i think) that is fantastic. I heard g-tech is to be accurate to .1 sec (on average)...thus times should be 6.42 +/- .1 = 6.32 - 6.52 sec(6.3 - 6.55 sec rounded). If these numbers are within .1 sec of actual...adding a tuner/CAI should cut times to under 6 sec. I do think Ford Engines need breaking in time before max performance is seen...possibly programmed by Ford to cut engine power/rpms of shifts by a certain degree to force us to breakin properly? This would equating to less faulty/weak parts wearing & breaking before warranty expiration = money saved by Ford & attaining higher reliability ratings? Keep me/us posted, Jay

FordMan, Yes, I think its a good idea to contact Hypertech..they make a tuner if you get enough interest...say a group of 20 with a $50 deposit each toward their tuner (or something). I do think you could tinker with the Edge plumbing a bit for the cost of some pvc...I call it reverse tuning to make the current tune & exhaust best match with the intake to acheive the desired type of pedal response/drive/goals...each of the 10 different intake tubes made the vehicle change noticably (diameter, length, angles/bends). I want to get a Gtech pro accellerometer that maps 0-60, 1/4. And thanks for the props (compliment) on th work I did to shave a good amount of time off 0-60. I need to get exhaust paperwork out...think its 40 or 44 series with .25" larger than stock pipes? Wanted to let you know that my videos were timed wrong...video staing 5.5sec 0-60 should be = 5.8sec and my other video stating 5.5-5.6sec 0-60 should be = 5.75sec. I stopped frame by frame timing at 58.5-59mph due to thinking my speedo was slow/lagging. This due to using tire size 27.16" to calculate mph at certain rpms...using revs per minute was the correct way (meaning speedo is actually correct) which yielded the corrected times above. Thanks, Jay

Hypertech dyno tuned a ford edge...same tune works on my 2008 taurus...I felt huge gains. Exhaust type? CAI I would do it yourself for ~$50-75 (as I did)...also big gains IMO. See my last weeks post with 0-60 video attached to see for youself. Good Luck, Jay

Fordman, thank you...finally some feedback from someone. if you look up 2008 taurus 0-60 on a google or youtube search the video should pop up. Thanks for the compliment...I think its pretty good for where I started (6.7-6.8sec). I have hypertech tuner (dyno tuned from a ford edge 3.5 2009 by hypertech), a flowmaster exhaust and a homemade CAI (largest spectre cone filter they make about 9" long). I designed and tried out about 10 different intake tube designs over the past 1 year...the best is having the maf sensor (stock cut) going into a 4" pvc elbow with 4" back to the throttle body...yet just before throttle body it has a pvc fitting snuggly inside the 4" pvc that narrows the tube diameter down to ~3.5"...tube/intake works best if the curves/turns are very similiar to the stock setup. My 2008 taurus is the 263-265 hp/ 249 tq 3.5L with fwd with the auto tranny 6 speed (6f50)...cvt was five hundred 2005-2007. Don't know if hypertech can tweak this tune for the 2013 (give them a call 901-382-8888)...yet it does work on the 2007-2009 ford edge 3.5. The CAI would work...just takes couple hours to fit...exhaust working? The 3.5L loves air...thats for sure. hope the above helps, Jay

Good info and thanks for the post...even If it was 7 months ago. I have experienced similiar results as you have explained...my hypertech tuner on 87 octane (economy tune setting) gave me good gains at WOT yet not much below 70% foot pedal depression (it is programmed that way according to hypertech)...yours might be the same? Yet the tuner when on 93 octane performance setting gave me crazy/sick gains at WOT (felt like double the gains compared to the 87 octane tune) plus gave me a moderate bump in accelation during normal driving. Hopefully my post will help you in understanding your vehicles response to tuning and/or you might be able to help me understand how and why my vehicle responded differently with 93 octane tune vs 87. Hypertech did use a 2007 Edge 3.5 (FWD) on their dyno to create the tune yet I have it on my 2008 Taurus 3.5 (FWD)...works flawlessly. After I bought tuner and used it on both 87 & 93 octane tunes I called hypertech to ask some questions. I questioned their dyno gains hp/tq with vehicle stock vs 87 vs 93...on their website it shows a +15hp/+12tq gain with 87 octane vs stock (which I have no doubt to be true)...yet dyno gains with 93 octane vs stock were +17hp/+12 tq (+2hp/+0tq) and the hp/tq curves were near identical throughout entire rpm range from start to finish. My question was why do I feel the car gained double the hp/tq with 93 vs stock compared to 87 tune vs stock. After questioning the tech I found that the 93 octane tune is actually tuned with 92 octane to be used for gas with 91-93 octane. According to what I have read this 92 tune makes the vehicle only have to adjust up or down 1 octane to be happy (depending on what state you live in, different states have different octane gas). After doing some thinking, researching and talking with some mechanics who work on predominately Fords I have concluded the following as the possible reasons of why dyno results being virtually the same between economy 87 tune & performance premium 91-93 tune (yet butt dyno says different): 1. My Hypothesis is that since their performance tune uses premium gas being 91-93 octane they used 91 octane gas (instead of 92 or 93) when they did the dyno testing for the hp/tq gains that were to be published on their website...to be ethical and honest and to avoid deceptive practices (BTW, they are a very honest/ethical company). Thus they may have simply published the minimum gains for using their performance tune when using 91 octane gas (not 92 or 93). If they had used 93 octane on dyno runs for their website numbers they would see higher gains...yet if someone buys their product & can only get 91 octane gas in their state...they would look like liars who overinflate results & be discredited in the publics eye...so they used 91 octane. Furthermore, since it was tuned for 92 octane gas, by using 91 octane gas for website (published) gains it would result in less gains than actual because a drop in hp/tq would occur on the dyno until the vehicle adapts & adjusts to compensate...hp/tq would then bump up slightly once it did finally compensate (yet it could take some time to compensate). 2. Hypothesis that they averaged the hp/tq gains from their dyno testing of all 3 different types of gas (91,92 & 93)...each of which will work on their performance tune (which again is set for 92 octane gas). Therefore, if a person uses 93 octane gas in their vehicle they might see actual gains of say +20hp/+15TQ vs the published +17hp/+12TQ. Further, better 93 octane gains on dyno of say +22hp/+17TQ could have been possible if they (assuming they did not) allowed proper time for vehicle to compensate for changes in octane type between dyno runs...knock sensors cutting back on peak hp/tq (switching from 91 to 93 in back-to-back dyno runs). 3. Hypothesis that the Intake & exhaust is a restriction prohibiting further hp/tq gains on premium gas 91-93 octane vs 87 tune...yet you would experience further gains with 91-93 tune (vs 87 tune) if you have installed an aftermarket & less restrictive exhaust system inconjunction with a cold air intake...which I have done both. Therefore, one might gain +22hp/+17tq by using their 93 octane tune if they already have an exhaust & cold air intake...yet if you have the stock intake & exhaust you would only gain the published +17hp/+12tq as they state on their website. I honestly think this is why I felt double the hp/tq gains of 93 octane gas with their 91-93 octane tune vs 87 octane gas with their 87 octane economy tune (although, their dyno gains of the 2 tunes is virtually the same). I feel hypothesis #3 is the biggest reason in my case (and supported by several articles I have read)...yet hypothesis #1 & #2 could also be factors to some degree. Some this info could apply to your Edge 3.7L...as the 3.7L is very similiar to the 3.5L (I believe main difference being it is bored out a little with different cylinder heads...I could be wrong?). BTW, Hypertech used on the 3.5L is awesome...I seriously thought I gained 30-40HP after installing (with 93 octane gas)...would highly recommend for anybody with 3.5L. I Don't know if they make it for the 3.7L Edge. Anyone feel free to comment on the above as I do not have all the answers and would like to gain some more insight. Jay

Forgot to mention that a dyno test has been done on the FWD 2010/2011 Taurus 3.5L V6 (non ecoboost). This was done om a Dynojet in 3rd gear (1.842:1 gear ratio)...same V6 as my 2008 Taurus (flywheel rated initially by Ford at 263-265HP & 249-250TQ. Can Anyone here guess what they got for peak HP/TQ (at the wheels)? This dyno was SAE corrected. No Cheating...I can give a link to the dyno sheet to show the true potential of the 3.5L V6. Lastly, wanted to let people know that Porsche did have a large involvement in the engine design of the 3.0L V6 (and the 3.5/3.7L) and that Cosworth Racing Designed the cylinder heads specifically for the 3.5/3.7L V6. Some of you may already know this. my email is jay@funicello.net for those who want to further discuss performance topics on an individual basis...as I cannot send messages or communicate with anyone individually until I have reached 5 posts (I think thats what I read?). Jay

This is my 1st time posting...I am a Ford/Lincoln Man (fusion/edge/taurus/flex/f150/MKZ/MKS/etc). Hope I did post correctly...if not I will modify this posting soon. Links to my 0-60 videos are provided below (done on a friends property...a safe untravel private road). Links below will take you to another page with the same 2 links as below...then click 1 link (of the 2) again. My car is a 2008 Taurus SEL 3.5 FWD Auto with 2.77 final drive, 215/60R17 tires, curb weight 3,741 LBS. There is no smoke and mirrors with these 2 videos (on flat ground, tires same height as stock, with gas, seats and spare/jack in the car. Hope to get some feedback/comments as I am a person always proud to say that I am a Ford Taurus owner...its quick (and smooth) enough to turn honda/toyota/nissan owners back toward Ford/Lincoln. People usually think its a 4 door Lexus Sport Sedan, Audi or infinityG35/37 (if they hop in without seeing what type of vehicle they are getting into)...surprise its a Ford Taurus (and it's fast)! Enjoy, Jay 0-60 runs.doc