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I have since found TSB 13-3-18, that looks very similar, but is just a PCM reflash.  Has anyone used that one?  Is it any better or worse, short or long term, than the 11-12-10 TSB (other than obviously being cheaper to perform since the vehicle is out of warranty).  Thanks!

Also, does anyone know there is a more current version of this TSB or any customer satisfaction program that may be related to the issue?  Thanks!

So I first had symptoms with this for the first time almost 2 years ago, but it did about once every 3-4 months.  Definitely not reproducible back then.  The last few months it has picked up to once a month or so, and this month it has been every week.  This week it has been almost every day.  Unfortunately still not super reproducible, since it usually does it when the transmission is not fully warmed up.  At this point I would imagine the cost of the TSB will be mine unless someone has any strategies to get ford to help?  Is there any more potential damage that could have been done to the trans or is this more of a “comfort” issue.  A more direct question would be if I get this done, am I likely to have more problems shortly the down road, or be good for a while?  My edge is a 2011 SE with 73k miles.  I have had the BG Trans fluid exchange done once at 45k and again at 70k.  Thanks for the help!

On 1/26/2014 at 8:59 AM, wlepse said:

Had the TSB performed on our Edge a while back and behavior is back, not sure if anyone else is in the same boat. Actually wonder if it was even done correctly in the first place. At the same time they performed fix for ticking on start up and forgot to put the hood switch back. Then tried to convince me I never had one and it wasn't related to remote start no longer working. So needless to say I think they do shoddy work and haven't gone back there.

I know this is an old thread, but which TSB did you have performed? 11-12-10 or 11-5-6.  Did you ever end getting the issue resolved?  Thanks!

Does your 2011 have the manual climate control system? The Sony FCIM only has the controls for the automatic dual zone climate system.

Yes I have the manual climate controls. On the fusions at least (per the 2g forums) you can repin some connectors to make the climate control work. Supposedly the manual controls have a temp sensor on the passenger side. On the fusions at least you can switch some pins around and make the climat control system work off of that passenger side temp sensor.

Does you have to turn the kinivo on and off all the time? It seems like it could drain the battery if it is plugged into the cigarette lighter, even when the car is off.

Good morning yall,

I have greatly enjoyed reading about Sync 3 swaps here and appreciated the reference to 2g fusion forum to learn more from them as well. One thing i have noticed with all of the swaps that i have read is that they all at least had some sort of version of sync to begin with, which my edge does NOT have (no sync 1, and no backup camera). So i have a couple more questions to determine the feasibility of such a swap.

1) Does any wiring remain to the original sync 1 module after a swap from a 4" screen to an 8" screen setup? I am under the impression that there is not from what i have read but am looking for feedback from someone who has done the swap.

2) Will a Sony FCIM (radio faceplate as i have incorrectly been calling it), work with a regular ACM for basic vehicle functions? I do not care about the Sony Audio per say, just would the volume knob work, etc. I would prefer to use the Sony FCIM because the glossy black trim on it matches the black trim already in the car fairly well.

3) Can FORSCAN be used to reprogram steering wheel controls? Since my Edge did not come with Sync in any fashion, there is not a sync command "chime" button or phone answer/hang up button. I do have a mute button where the chime would go, and a media button where the pick/end call button would go. If forscan cannot reprogram those buttons is there a viable work around? Get a steering wheel from a car that had those buttons?

4) The other wiring i think i would need is a microphone. I figure i could get an oem one from TASCA parts and install it to the system. Is this a realistic expectation?

If there is anything else i am overlooking please let me know. Thanks for the help!

Ooooooooh. Sorry, I clearly wasnt getting it.

 

Well. Silver lining is that you can go truly aftermarket and add Siri, Alexa, google assistant, etc in lieu of SYNC.

The problem is finding a faceplate that will work. The only aftermarket one out there by Metra and Scosche, and they both retain that 4 screen at the top and place a double din opening at the bottom, which is way below normal driver sight lines. Since mine does not even have sync 1, the only thing the 4 screen really displays of any use is the time and temperature. I tried modifying the OEM faceplate, but the whole back of the panel is a giant circuit, so I cant cut a bigger hole than the 4 screen at the top.

Very cool! What which Head unit do you have up front?

I think i am going to need it since it does not even have basic sync, but hopefully we can figure it out!

In 2013, the base SE (100A) did not have SYNC but the 101A package added it. So based on Ford's estimates, about 45% of 2013 SE models did not have SYNC.

Correct, mine is a 2011 with 101a so it has Sirius satellite radio and reverse parking sensors, but no sync. I was hoping a limited faceplate (maybe that is the same thing as the FCIM?), would at least allow the HVAC controls to work so I would have some real estate up top to a 9" Alpine HALO unit. If I could get a sync 3 swap to work that would be awesome, but I do not know what wiring i am missing to pull that off. The only aftermarket faceplate seems to be that Metra kit, and I am not sure i want to go that route because it places the screen at the bottom of the dash.

You can do it. I responded to you in another thread. Youll need a Sony FCIM and Sony ACM.

 

Youll also be looking to add the A pillar tweeters and subwoofer correct? Youll also need the DSP & amplifier.

 

Any reason you need to go all the way to the Sony system versus just going the Ford Sync3 route?

I actually do not care or intend to go the sony route. I did not really want to mess with speakers or anything. It just seemed like i have to pic a different faceplate and the sony one in black seemed to match the piano black trim that is already on my dash lol.

I will check it out. Thank you!

I was thinking if i got a limited faceplate, a sync 3 screen (recessed model), and APIM i would be off to a good start. I think i would also need a microphone and steering wheel controls, and probably some wiring harness to power the screen (if this idea would work). Even if sync 3 would not work, if i could get a limited faceplate to work (i.e. still control HVAC and hazards) that would be a win because it would open up real estate to install an aftermarket screen such as the Alpine Halo setup. The lack of faceplates other than Metra is frustrating. Thanks for the help!

Okie,

Have you seen anyone gets this to work successfully on a 4.2" screen model that did not even have Sync 1? What other parts would be required in addition to what you and zrt8355 have mentioned? Thanks!

So Edgy,

 

You will also need a GPS antenna for Nav or compass and a pigtail or an adapter to supply power to your USB hub.

 

Overview and differences in APIMs:

I've done two Sync 2 to Sync 3 conversions (My 2013 F150 last year and my sons 2011 Edge last week). APIMs at least 2016 models that have the 2nd to last letter with a C or K are navigation models, 2017 2nd to last with a C is navigation. All others I've seen which with a B,D, or F 2nd to last letters are non-navigation but this may vary. Best to pick one that shows the unit powered up at some point or gives you the VIN of the vehicle it came from so you can check its As built data to see if it had Nav or find the window sticker for it online to see if it did.

Screen and APIM assemblies that end with SB are the flat sided and those with SC are stepped or indented. I'm unsure of which model the 2015 uses but you can tell by looking at your Sync 2 screen with the bezel removed. The 2011 had the stepped screen. I used a SB assembly so had to 3D print some brackets to fit. My post is on the forum

 

Configuration:

Once you install the screen you will most likely need to program it to work with your vehicle. There is a free Windows program called Forscan. You can use it with a wired or bluetooth OBD2 dongle to program the options you have. People generally look up the "As Built" information of a vehicle that originally came with Sync 3 that has the same or as close as possible options as your vehicle. From there you can look at the Sync 3 spreadsheet on the F150 forums to tweak as needed. Since yours is a 2015 a similarly specified 2016 vehicle will probably work.

 

Updating:

Updates have to be for the correct type of APIM you have so Nav or non-nav. The difference between the two are the amount of storage space on the APIM. If you try to install a NAV update on a Non-Nav APIM it will hang once it fills up the storage space (since it doesn't delete old data until the end) and no longer boot to the user interface. There are ways to recover from this with a modified install file but the best bet is to make sure you are updating with the right file. I used a VIN from a wrecked explorer that had nav to get my updates from ford. I updated form 2.2 to 2.3 to 3.0 on the F150 and 2.3 to 3.0 on the Edge using the same USB stick. This might not always work however as there have been recent hardware changes to the 2018 version of the APIMs. As long as it matches for the APIM year and type you have you should be okay.

Random stuff:

There is a current modder group working on additional changes to the Sync system. I know they've gotten Nav to work on Non-Nav units and customized the splash screen and background. I typically stay away from this since you are always dependent on said modders for updates. Honestly even though my APIMs are both Nav I never use the factory nav. I use Android Auto all the time. Once Waze does the update to use it directly on the GUI (hopefully this month or next) I see no reason why anyone would use the factory navigation maps unless they were in an area without an internet connection. There's also Sygic support too but I've never used it so can't speak on it.

 

Cost:

You can sometimes find non-nav screens and APIMs for around the $300-$400. Nav screens generally go around $500+. You can find ones for less sometimes if you are lucky. I bought both of mine with APIM and screen together. If i would have bought them separately it would have cost me around $200 more.

 

Sync 3 vs Sync 2

No comparison here. I originally did my 2013 due to the lag of clicking an option to when that option was performed. It drove me insane. The screen is better and the layout and app support is better. Android Auto and Carplay is just the icing on the cake.

 

 

Good luck Hopefully this helps.

 

-Deric

 

note: edited to clarify APIM nav/non-navs I've seen.

 

I have a SYNC 3 system installed that I purchased from www.4dtech.com. Go and check out there site

They also do not offer anything for someone with a 4.2" screen and no sync (aka 2011 Ford Edge SE)

Did you have an MFT in the SEL or the base 4 screen?

Candurin,

I have the same question for an SE. If i were to replace the radio control panel on the SE with a Sony one from a limited, would that work? The goal would be to free up dashboard space for a big screen. I do not even have sync 1, so I am not sure how feasible a sync 3 swap would be. My idea with a the limited panel swap would be to preserve HVAC controls. Since the SE comes with manual temp and fan speed controls, I was wondering if the panel swap would work (I do not expect auto temp control, just would the buttons to adjust fan speed and temp work?) Thanks for the help!

Hi guys,

I have a 2011 Ford Edge SE with 64k miles that has become my daily driver recently. I really like the fundamentals of the car, but would like to upgrade the tech if possible. I look forward to reading all about the sync 3 swaps and what not that other folks have done on their vehicles. Have a good one!