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"Can a "too stiff" aftermarket TORSION MOUNT (BY ITSELF) be causing all of this???

I think the obvious answer is yes. Reinstall the old one and see what happens.

I love the hands free lift gate, especially when I approach the car with a case of beer in each hand. TBH I've never had an issue with it, Faraday pouch at the car wash workaround aside.

12 hours ago, dabangsta said:

I have 2 small toy poodle(ish) dogs, that when we take them out (leashed) of their crate in the cargo area, and put them on the ground, they walk under the bumper and start it closing all the time. I make sure I don't have the key with me while washing it any more, and the number of times humans inadvertently trigger it is far fewer, it still happens rarely. If I am making multiple trips to unload, I always leave my key away from the vehicle, and have to take my loaded down arm and use the elbow to press the power close button, otherwise if I have the key one of the 3 or 4 times I return to the car I will step under the bumper and start it to close (when reaching far in to get stuff at the front of the cargo area).

I keep a Faraday pouch in the car for those times I take the car to the self serve car wash.

2 hours ago, STBEAST said:

What a shit deal. Sounds like a design flaw to me. They are just hoping it goes out of warranty before the failure happens.

Pretty much.

And my business will move to a different brand if it does.

There's absolutely nothing positive with regard to the changes. When using 'Dark Reader' the text in the yellow boxes becomes white rendering the text illegible.

6 minutes ago, CanadianSTLine said:

I am well aware that in Canada since the early 90s all vehicles are required to have working daytime running lights. However that’s never encompassed rear tail lights. For 2024 there’s a new safety module built-in to Ford edges and it runs all exterior lights with the exception of headlights when the vehicle is in drive, and the headlights are in the off position as a part of the daytime running lights module. That’s what I am referring to. That is something Ford took upon themselves to change which is above, and beyond what the law requires. 

And how is that a bad idea given that many drivers are too clueless to realize they are driving at night without tail lights. I commend Ford for being proactive.

3 hours ago, CanadianSTLine said:

I am having the exact same problem on my 2024 ST line (Canada) Edge. Even with the headlight switch in the off position, when the vehicle is in drive, all the exterior lights except for the actual headlights are on with the LED strip around the headlight. And as soon as I put it in park, they all go off. Was just at my dealership and they said that’s normal for all the new Edges. I am not impressed, as it looks like I’ll be changing lights a lot faster then I thought, due to them being on all the time. 

It's not a problem, it's the law. Feel free to write transport Canada and complain about it. Tell them you're not happy about complying with  TSD 108, Section 25, Subsections (26) 20 (30).

FWIW, my 2010 Malibu has the original headlamp bulbs after 10 years of use. Daytime running lights on constantly. Keep in mind that they run at reduced voltage.

7 hours ago, Cerberus said:

on the subject of viscosity, i recently changed to a euro formula Mobil 1 0w-40

better flow when cold, better oil pressure when hot, and the engine definitely likes it.

oil pressure is everything when your cam timing is controlled by modulating oil pressure to a cam phaser

I've been using Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5W-40 in my Mustang for 2 years now after 10+ years of using Amsoil Signature 10W-30.

It could be my imagination but it seems to run quieter since I started using it. 🤷‍♂️

I think I'll switch the Nautilus over to the Euro next summer when the warranty expires.

For warranty purposes I've used Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 5W-30 since new.

Well if you haven't driven it yet that could be the problem. Anytime you lift a vehicle to work on it, it wit sit higher until you drive it. The suspension won't settle until you drive it.

10 hours ago, STBEAST said:

Although I am more confused than ever, this is a lot of great information. After a good examination of my 2024 2.7 Engine. I see no signs of a secondary fuel injector for the intake valve. I do however see a very extensive network of piping and hoses throughout the intake system. In addition to emissions, I wonder if they have taken measures to minimize the carbon buildup on the intake valve. How long do these engines go before they have any issues? I guess a lot could be based on frequency of oil changes, quality of oil AND gas etc.

But aren't most engines today direct injected? Is it possible to get 100k plus off the 2.7 gen 1 without problems?

 

If you follow the maintenance schedule and use a quality synthetic oil that meets Fords specifications, your 2.7 should easily go 200-300K. The 2.7 is not known for fouling the intakes like some other GDI engines.

Also consider installing a J&L Oil Separator (catch can) to reduce the oil vapors entering the intake tract from the PCV system. A number of the members here have installed them.

18 hours ago, Cerberus said:

So if the current Edge ST has the wet belt driven pump and only direct injection without port injectors to keep the valves clean, or any other of the Gen2 benefits, thats a double (plus) reason to say f*** that noise as far as I am concerned.

That means this thread has served the purpose I hoped it would, it talked me out of buying a 2024 Edge ST.

 

Regarding the long term reliability of the wet belt driven oil pump system, I stand by my position on that, it's GD stupid. 

I've been walking this earth for over 5 decades and have had a fervent interest in all things mechanical & technical for over 4 of those decades.. 

One of the things i have learned in that time is that when something offers a benefit of any kind (like reduced price or drive harmonics or rotating mass from using a belt), it almost always comes at a price, like longevity or strength.

To be clear, I don't have a problem with belts driving things, but a belt that runs in oil.. i'd probably only trust that if it were a steel link toothed belt with rubber overlay for harmonics, because at least then when it sheers the rubber off, the pump could still operate, just loudly enough to be an obvious indicator. 

 

A little quick research has shown me that many people have similar concerns, including the NHTSA

 

https://www.thedrive.com/news/self-clogging-ford-oil-pumps-lead-feds-to-investigate-1-0-liter-ecoboost-engines

 

Thanks all for the conversation. ☮️

That's for the 1 liter engine. Things have progressed since that abomination. At any rate it sounds like you've made up your mind that you want nothing to do with belt drive. Good luck in your hunt for a replacement for your Sport;  lots of flavors out there to choose from.

13 hours ago, Cerberus said:

Not sure if that question is pointed at me, but it's not a question of comprehension over here, it's a question of trusting the information as being factual.

For instance, you're saying the Gen1 2.7 are also getting the belt driven oil pump too, is the first time I've heard that,  as I understood that to be a Gen2 problem exclusively. 

And no, even with proper maintenance,  they will not run forever. A wet belt is the most moronic design flaw since the water pump driven by the timing Chain, in a vehicle that does not allow removal of the front cover without dropping the entire drivetrain, as was the case with my 2011 fusion sport.

There were no questions or directions to anyone in particular in my comments. I do know with 100% certainty that the 2.7 in my 2019 Nautilus has a belt driven oil pump as does the newer 5.0 in the Mustang and F-150. 2019 Lincoln Oil Pump Drive Belt

The 5.0's were notorious for exploding oil pump gears in high HP applications when they were driven directly from the crankshaft. The new belt driven configuration has eliminated that issue and is reliable to 1,100 HP and at sustained high RPM.

Wet belt driven oil pumps are becoming more common (3.0 Duramax diesel) and have advantages over chain drive.

Why is it so difficult to comprehend factual information? All Edge/Nautilus have the Gen 1, 2.7. The newer ones have both the intake valve fouling GDI and the rubber band driven oil pump.

With proper maintenance they will run forever. I have one and I'm not losing any sleep over it.

On 1/9/2024 at 9:17 AM, johnmarkp said:

I was thinking about doing the same thing.  Trade my 2019 ST.  How does the ride compare?  I assume that the Lincoln will have a softer ride.  Does you Lincoln have the adjustable suspension.  If so, how do you like it?

 

John

It has 3 modes: Comfort, Normal and Firm. I have Drive configured with the Normal mode and Sport is configured with the Firm mode. Comfort mode is too soft and uncontrolled for my liking. Firm is nowhere near as bone jarring as the ride in the ST.

I was considering the Edge ST at first. When I got back from a test drive, I spotted a Nautilus on the lot. I decided to test drive it as well. I did a factory order a week later.

4 1/2 years later and no regrets.

4 hours ago, tsquale said:

Traded mine in today and upgraded to a 2021 Nautilus Reserve, loaded as can be. Bittersweet but still have the 2.7TT with the added luxury of a Lincoln.

Excellent choice!

You've had issues with this setup for 3+ years. All of that oil collecting in the IC and pipes leads me to think that you have excess crankcase pressure building up.

I don't trust that overly complex setup with the one way check valves. Maybe consider a simpler setup like the J&L separator. I have them  installed (between PCV valve and the intake on both vehicles now and they defiantly collect oil over time. The exit port, charge pipes and IC are dry.

1 hour ago, lildisco said:

Ziebart traps in moisture & rots metal from the inside out. Use a breathable undercoating like fluid film, unless you don't plan on keeping your vehicle for an extended period of time. 

I bought a 1969 Ford Galaxy when it was 10 years old at the time. It was meticulously maintained, still had the clear plastic seat covers on the seats. It also had Ziebart undercoating applied when new. Over the course of the 2 years that I owned it I watched that car dissolve before my eyes. I would not recommend that product to anyone.

12 hours ago, Perblue said:

 

Evidence? I have only ever heard theories. 

 

I'm on my 3rd battery and my stop start very rarely engages, no where near the total start and stops that my 96 Camaro battery does that lasts 5 to 7 years(along with every other vehicle I've owned). If anything the amount of electronics could put a larger drain on the battery causing it to fail faster, I'm more so betting ford batteries are crap but only time will tell that. I replace far more starters in newer vehicles without start stop than with by a long shot. Spark plugs I have done in either types of vehicles have shown very similar wear. This is all from my experience from my own vehicles and customers, not from hear say or people blaming a defective part on something other than the defective part. Google searches yield the same results for me outside of forums, which like consumer reviews for products, you are far more likely to see negative posts than ones from people who have no issue at all.

 

Yes it may be an annoyance at times but I have yet to see or experience anything other than that. 

2012 Mustang battery in it's 12th year and still going strong. 2019 Lincoln battery also original. Both get load tested in the spring and fall. Both still in spec. 2010 Malibu original battery replaced in 2020 due to leakage at positive post. It still passed a load test.

I must have horse shoes up my sphincter.

Nice!

I would just copy the music to a thumb drive and use that. I didn't know MP3 players were still a thing. Smart phones pretty much rendered them obsolete.

On 10/26/2023 at 8:03 AM, akirby said:

Someone mentioned this might be a good replacement for both Fusion and Edge buyers.  How would you guys feel about it?

That someone is entirely out to lunch.

Nice! I talked to Torrie about tuning my Nautilus and came so close to pulling the trigger on a tune. Opted out but had him do a tune file for my other car instead. He's good at his craft.

I like it. Butt dyno indicates slightly more power at 4,000 rpm and beyond.

Not an Edge but I have one on my Nautilus.