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Which shows how much you know.  Just when I think I have seen the ultimate cretin, someone tops it.  ?

15 hours ago, omar302 said:

 

Was your 2013 a V6? If so, that would, in my opinion, be the main reason. The smaller engine, 2.0L, is just not big enough to brake the vehicle as good as the bigger V6. My 2016 Sport (with a 2.7L V6, has selectshift, but just cannot "Engine brake" as good as my previous 2011 MKX with the 3.7L V6. Engine braking works by operating the engine an pump, having turbo(s) to increase engine power will not have any effect on engine braking. So even though the downsized "Turbo" engines make more power, they have less engine braking capability.

 

That is the silliest thing I have ever heard   The size of the engine has nothing to do with engine braking   Give me a break  

David, I could not agree more.  Whoever engineered any vehicle with the inability to hold it in a low gear on a steep decline has never driven the mountains.  It is a safety issue.  I need to contact NHTSA.  

Also, anyone who thinks they can rely on their brakes and not engine braking is either an idiot or had never driven in serious mountain driving.  I have been over nearly every paved mountain road in Colorado and some are a piece of cake and some are serious.  I didn’t say scary, I said serious. (To a flatlander, they are all serious)

45 minutes ago, omar302 said:

 

For the most part, most cars with Automatic transmissions did not have manual control foe gear ratios. Furthermore, with newer small displacement engines (usually Turbocharged), engine braking is weak compared to older, bigger engines. With my Sport (2.7 EcoBoost) engine braking is considerably weaker than my previous MKX with the 3.7L. And those are nothing compared to the 4.6L v8 in the 1996 Grand Marquis we had before that. 

It isn’t an engine braking issue or holding the car back with manual shifters wouldn’t work either.  It is the inability to hold the transmission in a lower gear and hold it there.  I drove an Edge at a dealership with the paddles and it held the car back just fine.  I haven’t looked at all the automatics out there in 2019, but have driven several which have traditional manual lower gear configurations.  

On 8/27/2018 at 9:26 PM, tamugrad2013 said:

If I am not mistaken the all of the Gen 1.5 had select shift either on the gear lever (3.5) or steering wheel shifters (Sport 3.7) except for the ecoboost models. When I was in Colorado on their steep grades shifting to L seemed to work well or even setting cruise control to the speed you do not want to exceed allows it to engine brake very well. I never wanted for more. I am not sure how sport would work, but I could imagine it would be similar.

On 8/27/2018 at 9:26 PM, tamugrad2013 said:

If I am not mistaken the all of the Gen 1.5 had select shift either on the gear lever (3.5) or steering wheel shifters (Sport 3.7) except for the ecoboost models. When I was in Colorado on their steep grades shifting to L seemed to work well or even setting cruise control to the speed you do not want to exceed allows it to engine brake very well. I never wanted for more. I am not sure how sport would work, but I could imagine it would be similar.

It should be similar but it is not.  The s mode won’t hold you back much at all. 

On 6/21/2018 at 12:06 PM, tk2fast said:

I agree ben senise; No paddle shifters is a "deal breaker" for me. 90% of my driving is mountainous with very steep downgrades.

 

It just makes no sense to me that Ford would do this. Ugh! Does anyone have an Email of someone at Ford that makes these decisions?

My wife purchased her 2019 Edge FWD and her mind was set, so I basically went along for the ride since it was her car.  However, I feel sheepish that I didn’t research the car better for when we drive mountain roads in the summer.  The inability to hold that car back on steep grades without riding the brakes is a safety issue in my book and I have notified the NHTSA.  It is a major engineering gaffe and unacceptable. 

I tried to contact Ford but was unable to speak with anyone who could speak English understandably.  Unbelievable.  

I have contacted two two dealerships and one where I know several people.  They confirmed that is it not a car for the mountains.  Strictly a flatlander’s car.  For the record, I have played with it trying all kinds of things.  In “s” mode if you brake below 20 mph you can get a tiny amount of engine braking.  Hey, I have driven in the mountains for nearly 60 years including towing a 14000 pound 5er behind my 2000 Powerstroke.  On it., I had to install an exhaust brake.  Maybe that is what we need on this Edge. Lol.  

Inept engineering Ford!!!