BillE

Sorry to go off your primary topic, but what were the problems with the transmissions that Ford replaced?   I have a 2019 ST that I bought new.  It is impossible to shift through the gears in an acceptable manner in Sport mode with the paddle shifters.  Ford ignored me for about a year and I finally gave up.  Thanks  

If anyone has the misfortune of having to deal with the Cold Start Ticking/Tapping Or Rattle Type Noise associated with the issue documented in this TSB, please post an audio file so that we all know what we should be listening for. Thank you.

4th picture, what a PITA

3rd picture

In  a previous post I provided an Amazon link to mud flaps that were suppose to fit a 2019 Edge ST.  Since I had until 1/31/2023 to return the flaps I wanted to prove that they actually would fit. In my original post I said they looked like they would fit. I decided to do it today since I only have a week to return them if they don't work.  I decided to only try the driver side flaps and did not remove the wheels.  They fit PERFECT.  All holes aligned and I was able to use the attachment hardware, rivets and screws, that were already on the car.  I will have to put a small notch in the rear flap(s) under the fender to clear a screw that interferes with the edge of the flap.  Not a problem since it is under the fender and not visible.  I did not fully tighten  the 7/32"  screws that attach the rear flap since I was planning on removing the passenger side flaps and reinstalling both sides after washing  the car.  I bought some spare rivets incase I messed up the originals, which did not happen.  I Will probably use new rivets for the final install and  3M 06384 double sided automotive tape if I feel that it will provide any benefit.  Since I can not attach more than one picture to this post, I will post pictures in the 3 following posts.

On 12/30/2022 at 11:30 AM, THK said:

While Ford has not produced a mud flap accessory and Weather Tech does not make mud flaps for the ST, how is the fitment/quality on some of the E-bay units that are offered?  Price range is all over the place. Any help from the ST community on what you're using.  

 

I keep sent in a request to Weather Tech every month inquiring about the mud flaps.  They offer flaps for the Edge but they don't fit the ST.  Maybe they need to hear from the ST community.  Might let the know that if you produce it we will buy it.

 

Any suggestions to the first part would be appreciated.

I believe I read about the Amazon mud flaps in the listing below on an Edge forum. 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B083K24NRZ/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1

They are suppose to be a perfect fit for my 2019 Edge ST.  I bought them in October, but have not had the time to try install them yet.  I have held the mud flaps in place to check the fitment and they look very promising for both the front and rear.   I intend to use the suggested installation method with the addition of 3M double sided body accessory mounting tape between the mud flaps and the painted surfaces of the fenders that the mud flaps contact.  For the price of $25.99 with an additional 5% coupon, if they don't work it's not much of a lose.   if you decide to give them a try and determine that they are not compatible, please post.  I can still return mine until 1/23/2023 if  the winter weather further delays my installation.  Thank you,

5 hours ago, ben senise said:

so apart from losing coolant, what other detrimental effects would this leak have? is this a critical problem or an annoyance. going to the dealer is a major PITA for me ideally i'd like to wait for the next service.

I don't know if this was typical or a special case.  My daughter had a head gasket blow on a mustang abut 20 years ago.  The head gasket was a known problem for the 6 cylinder mustang  that year.  Unbelievable amount of smoke or steam from the exhaust with the check engine light coming on immediately.  The check engine light was an indication that  the  catalytic converter had gone bad.   The head gasket and catalytic converter were replaced under warranty.   I think I will give my dealer a call and schedule a visit after after Christmas, unless he says it can wait.  I will drive my 2019 Edge ST as little as possible in the meanwhile.

15 hours ago, JoeVic said:

 

Just an FYI. The correct coolant should be Motorcraft Yellow VC-13DL-G (prediluted)  or VC-13-G.   Not the Motorcraft Gold.

Thank you.  My 2019 owners manual calls out orange CVC-3DIL coolant, but the car has yellow coolant.  The 2020 owner manual calls out the VC-13DL-G yellow as you stated.  Ordered a couple gallons from Rock Auto. Thanks again.

For the past few week  I have been noticing the same white smoke coming from the exhaust pipes of my 2019 Edge ST with ~11,000 on it.  I bought the car new in September of 2019.  The car has not been abused.  The white smoke is primarily visible when I take off from a stop sign or traffic light. Does not require WOT.  After reading what others have written I checked my coolant level and found it to be at about at the low level marker.  I have ordered a gallon of Genuine Ford Fluid VC-7DIL-B Gold Prediluted Antifreeze/Coolant from Amazon.  The 2019 Edge requires yellow or orange coolant depending on the manufacture date.  Motorcraft  says orange if  manufactured before 7/8/19 and yellow if manufactured on or later than 7/8/19.  My car's door post sticker says 7/19 and  has yellow coolant.  Seems very suspicious that several owners in our forum are experiencing the same phenomena.   I am interested to hear what the dealer has to say.  Hope Ford doesn't try to hide the issue like they did with the 2019 ST's  3rd gear.   The dealer waited for the 2020(or 2021? ) model to remove the 3rd gear with a software change.

Thank you for the prompt response.  Another question please.  Do you ever use the paddles  (manual shifting) in the sport mode?  If so, can you achieve satisfactorily shifts through gears 1-8 with moderate acceleration?   Specifically, for 2nd to 3rd and 3rd to 4th shifts?  I get a buck from 2nd to 3rd and a delay and flare from 3rd to 4th.   I don't know if all the 2019 thru 2021 ST's exhibit the same behavior,  but considering the transmission gear ratios they probably should.  Ford is not willing to address the issue.  Instead, I have heard that for the 2022 STs that Ford eliminated  either 2nd or 3rd gear through software and marketed the car as a 7-speed.  I also read where Ford has no intention of performing the software fix on the 2019 thru 2021 cars, because they feel that the type of customers who bought those cars are satisfied with the messed up transmission and never use the paddles. 

Just curious , which transmission TSB did you have done?  want to make sure I didn't miss one.  Was it TSB 20-2190 that was released on 03 June 2020?

Thank you

On 7/14/2021 at 8:31 AM, falconey said:

As much as I love the features of this SUV, ultimately I just couldn't fall in love with it due to the transmission. I was hoping a software update would come along and rectify, but it never happened. Going to miss the infotainment on this ford as it was very responsive and easy to use, but I definitely won't miss the ambiguous shifting.

 

If you are in the Atlanta area I have some leftover items I'm selling.

https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/pts/d/stone-mountain-ford-edge-items/7350796812.html

 

I have the same feeling.  I just picked my car up from the dealership where it had been for 9 days.  No loaner provided. 

It all started several weeks ago when I  contacted the service director to complain about how my transmission malfunctions in the sport mode when attempting to shift through the gears using the paddles.  I requested to meet with the factory field service rep and  do a ride along with either the rep  or the dealerships transmission tech while they showed me how to use the paddle shifters in the Sport Mode.   The service director forwarded my email to the factory rep and then forwarded the factory rep's reply to me.  The factory rep said he had a 2019 Edge ST that he could shift through the gears with the paddles in the sport mode with no problems or anomalies.  My car exhibited a buck when I shifted between 1st and 2nd, indecision and other funkiness when I attempted to shift between 2nd and 3rd and a flare with a  very delayed response to the paddle request when shifting from 3rd to 4th.  I again requested to do a ride along with a factory rep., but it didn't happen.  I was however allowed to do a ride along with the dealership's transmission tech.  During the ride along with the tech my car exhibited the same behavior as I described . When we returned to dealership the tech told the service director that there was a problem.  The service director said that he would have the tech call the Ford Hot Line for repair advice  and then have me me bring the car back in for further evaluation and repair. 

My car was at the dealership for more than a week and I received no repair status.  When I finally spoke to someone, I was told that the Ford Hot Line would not provide repair advice or help and that the tech was going to contact the Performance  Center.  My car remained at the dealership dealership for another 3 days.  I tried to get status for 2 of the 3 days but my requests were ignored by my advisor.  When I finally reached my advisor, I was told that  Ford Performance  also would not provide repair advice or help.  I told my advisor to clean up my car and  I would pick it up. I asked my advisor, how was I suppose to get the  paddle shifters made functional if my selling dealership doesn't know how to address the problem and Ford is not willing to help.   NO ANSWER  I am 72 years old and seldom use the paddles, but I paid for them and they should work.  Otherwise,  the car is a beautiful, perfect car.

Anyone want to buy  a fully equipped (except brake pkg) 2019 ST in White Platinum with 6000 miles and non functional paddle shifters?

59 minutes ago, todd92 said:

Quick double tap does skip 2nd.

Thank you .  I will give that a try.

I am sorry.  the top of Fords letter was cut off.  It just said that he spoke to Engineers.

38 minutes ago, todd92 said:

The only issue is 2nd gear is too close to 3rd.  If you're running through the gears at full throttle from 1st, 2nd gear is at redline in an instant, require an almost immediate shift.  Ford agrees, since they reprogrammed the 2021 transmission to eliminate 2nd gear.  Hopefully this software fix will become available for 19-20 models.

 

Next time I drive the car I'll try double clicking the upshift paddle to see if I can fool the transmission into skipping 2nd manually.

Thank you.  I agree about 2nd and 3rd gears being too close.  The ST Supplement that comes in the Edge Owners Manual states in a NOTE, "SelectShift does not automatically upshift, even if the  engine is approaching the RPM limit, unless the accelerator pedal is at full travel".  Was the automatic upshift at full throttle demonstrated?  The same NOTE contains the following statement immediately following the automatic upshift statement, "Take note of the shift indicator lamp, which alerts you when to shift to help you achieve the optimum level of efficiency and fuel economy".  What lamp are they talking about.  I see a flashing lamp indicating  when to downshift or not to upshift ( the RPM is too low), but nothing about when to upshift.  I was hoping the lamp would help with the shifts, but I don't know what lamp they are talking about.  I have been requesting that Ford allow me to discuss my paddle shift issue with a knowledgeable person, but they won't do it.  I have asked to have a meeting with field service but Ford won't do it.  Ford will not even acknowledge my concern.  It is as Ford is trying to cover it up, noting the  2021ST change . My dealer has been trying to contact a knowledgeable person to get information for me and is having the same problem.  I contact Customer Service and I am told to see the dealer which I have already done.  I have called the telephone number provided in the ST supplement and on the ST experience letter, stating " If you have any questions or concerns regarding your Edge ST, please call...." several times.  I have communicated with 3 different people and no one was familiar with the Edge ST.  I finally spoke to one person and complained that I had been trying to have an ST concern addressed for more than a year. I asked if I could send an email describing the concern.  He spoke to his supervisor and provided an email address.  I sent the email and received a confirmation letter stating that I would be contacted in 3 to 5 days.  I  called again since I was not contacted after 7 days and the person that I spoke with said he would follow up.  I have attached the follow up email from the individuals supervisor.  Ford still is not acknowledging my concern.  In my email I tried to give Ford a way out.  I asked, what is the intended use of the paddle shifters in the 2019 Edge ST? and where are instructions for using the paddle shifters for the intended use?.  

Any suggestions on what if anything I should do next?  Maybe I should consider that my car has a unique problem (even though by reading this forum, I know it is not true) and take my car to the dealer and ask them to fix the paddle shifters under warranty.  Perhaps the dealer would arrange for field service.?

2 hours ago, todd92 said:

Shifted at all RPM points, often.  Full throttle, part throttle.  Started out in 1.  Our 2020 at home shifts fine, too.  Have you had the TSB's done?

I really don't understand.  I had TSB 20-2190 flashed on 7/15/2020.  I believe that is the latest TSB.  If anyone knows different, please let me know.  Last month when I had the service manager do a ride along with me so I could demonstrate the the shifting problem, he verified that the latest TSB had been flashed.  Maybe I should ask him to reflash the TTSB in light of the information you have provided.  Any ideas? Thanks again.

6 hours ago, todd92 said:

Sport mode with manual shifting was used extensively.  All of the ST's were 2019's.  No one had any shift complaints.  Sorry, can't help you.

Thanks for your response.  Did you start in 1st gear and upshift sequentially  through all the gears, skipping no gears?  If so, were there any trick in making the 2nd to 3rd and 3rd yo 4th gear shifts?   At what RPM were you shifting?  Were you holding the gas pedal to the floor or anything like that?   My service manager tried it on a new 2020 ST on his lot and said it exhibited the weirdness. 

That is an excellent solution.  You will never feel like you paid for something you did not receive. good luck.

Not the paddle manual shift problem

5 hours ago, muzicman61 said:

Thanks.  I have a appointment with my salesman for the week after I get there.  I've bought 3 cars from him in the past so hopefully he'll do me right on this one.

 

If you or wife would ever enjoy using the paddle shifters in the Sport mode to manually shift through the gears from 1to 8, then you should definitely try it on both cars before making your decision.  The 2019/2020 transmission, at least  mine and several others that I know of, have a problem which will not allow acceptable shifts using the paddles in the Sport mode.  When trying to shift you experience bucks, skipped gears and flares.  I had my dealer try a brand new 2020 on his lot and it exhibited the same problem.  Ford is trying to hide the problem and will not even discuss it. If I contact Customer Service I am told to contact the dealer service department.  When I contact the dealer service department they know little or nothing about the ST.  The ST Supplement to the Edge Owner's Manual says to contact the Performance Center for questions or concerns.  When I contact the Performance  Center they have no knowledge or experience with the Edge ST.  When I bugged the Performance Center to ask Engineering about the intended use of the paddles and why there were no instructions.  They avoided my question.  It seems ridiculous that a performance enhancement can not be effectively used on Performance Group's "ST" vehicle and that no one will admit to it or discuss it?

If  you never intend to use the paddles in the Sport mode then the 2019/2020 is a great car once the transmission TSBs are flashed,  if not already done.  BTW, I have heard that they fixed the issue on the 2021. They made it a 7-speed.  Can anyone confirm?  

If possible, please ask your instructor to demonstrate using the paddle shifters in the Sport Mode.   In particular the 2nd to 3rd and 3rd to 4th gear shifts.  If you haven't tried paddle shifting in the Sport Mode, you should do so before you go.   Please let me know how it works for you.   I have a 2019 and can not achieve acceptable shifts.  I get combinations of bucks, 3rd gear skips and 3rd gear flares.  I would also be interested in how  the instructor responds.

Thank you 

Who at Ford did you complain to?  Do you have  your contact's name and address ?  When I contact Ford Customer Support, they usually tell me to talk to the Dealer Service Department which I have already done and  is the reason that I am contacting Customer Support. 

Thanks

I own a 2019 White Platinum Edge ST.   I was wondering if rear splash or mud guards would reduce the road spray and associated dirt that  collects on the rear bumper, hatch and window when driving on wet roads?  If splash or mud guards will not help, is the road spray dirt a result of the aerodynamic design(?) of the ST's rear trim?  Do all Edge trims have the same road spray dirt problem.  I previously owned a Mercedes SUV and don't recall collecting nearly as much road spray dirt on the rear of the car.

6 hours ago, ktp1598 said:

So I tried the paddle shifting in sport mode and while it's a little funny, it's irrelevant to us as we don't ever use the paddles. If I want to shift for myself I have a 19 GT/CS with a 6-speed manual for that. ? 

Thanks for your response.