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I'm not meaning to sound rude, but you couldn't (nor Dave-M) have this response if you'd read what I'd said in its entirety. 1. I already accounted for "lead foot" ad nauseium in about 6 different places in great detail, so this is not a valid point or theory. 2. I have also stated I am a former dealer and have owned literally dozens of cars, with one of the West Coasts best mechanics working as a partner for many years. I am well aware of tire pressure, dirty filters and other such things. 3. I cannot lemon it because they refuse to acknowledge there is something wrong in the first place. They are hiding behind the infamous "mileage may vary" which gives them a get out of jail free card. 4. Dave-M, I have already stated very clearly how I did the math. The math is the math. I don't even have an onboard MPG calculator, I have the SE. Again, my intention is not to be rude. But I have seen how these types of questions derail a post into an entirely new direction because the replies to the original post have already been addressed. My point and my wish is to challenge the extent that the manufacturer may take this law, in court.

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1. I have 10,000 miles even and have changed the oil at the dealership. 2. If people are regularly getting 17-26 mpg, then this proves exactly what I am saying. There is something wrong with this particular vehicle and they need to fix it.

Ford corporate told me on the phone to basically piss off about this issue. Please read the RipOffReport.com post I just added. Seeking a Class Action lawyer for MPG problems. Copy of Report I leased a 2007 Ford Edge primarily because of then stated MPG figures of 18 city 24 Highway. To this date I don't know of any Sport Utility that can be bought for $20,000-21,000 of this size, power or looks. I bought this car because of its EPA ratings. People like me are buying cars and other vehicles based on their EPA sticker ratings because of gas being $5 a gallon or more. When someone gets substantially less, the manufacturer hides behind the clause "mileage may vary." I am seeking a lawyer who will gather a group of Ford owners who have substantially less mileage than the sticker, who are driving in normal conditions. (It will do no good if you tow a vehicle, drive the Grape Vine every day with the A/C on or other such things.) See the Following Links Recently Found: There is a winnable legal solution SUV Gas Mileage Lawsuit Won Hybrid MPG Lawsuit I am getting 12.6 mpg - 13.2 COMBINED, AFTER A FULL TANK of 75% city and 25% highway. That's COMBINED mileage by any math. The best tank I ever got was after 85% freeway at 15.5 mpg. My math is done with a calculator by how miles driven to the gallons used. There has to be a point where the manufacturer can not stiff a buyer when the mileage is astronomically lower than posted. I have contacted the dealer and the manufacturer. I wrote a letter to the CEO and Chairman. A woman called from (313) 845-6232 and basically told me to "go pound sand." She said she represented the CEO directly. This is the type of service you will get from Ford. Hey Ford? Maybe this is why you and GM are going down in a ball of FAILURE. Hyundai, Toyota and other manufacturers are kicking the crap out of you. I wonder WHY? They live in the same world as you do. Have the same resources, have the same opportunities, have the same science and technology at their disposal. Yet you’re products are perceived as pieces of junk. When people give you a shot, a patriotic gesture, you tell them to “f*ck off” when you’re product is found to live up to your reputation? FORD, Chrysler and GM DESERVE to be bankrupt. They are a disgrace to this country. Our 2003 Ford King Ranch F250 is literally falling apart. The front suspension is going, the air just went out, the sun roof has squeaked from day one, the body trim is rusting again after being replaced for rusting, and the rubber window moldings are literally disintegrating. 42,000 miles!!! I asked the representative specifically, if I had gotten say, 8 mpg would they still tell me the same thing? QUOTE "YES." "We are not going to do anything about it whatsoever." Background: I lease or buy 2 new cars PER YEAR and am a former dealer. I have personal ownership experience to talk from. Our 2008 Hyundai Veracruz AWD gets 14.5 city and 23 highway. We drive it exactly the same way, in the same area as the Edge. The Edge is 4,282lbs and the Veracruz is 4,431. Both have about the same exact HP. Please note the following. 1. I drive every car exactly the same and have the same driving habits for 25 years. 2. I do tend to drive fast, but not tire squealing off the line drags. In fact, I drive as fast as everyone else around me. I keep up with traffic. Regardless, since I drive the same way in all vehicles, then there is no merit to the “mileage may vary” clause because I have already proven that no other car I have owned has had this discrepancy. If my driving habits are the same form car to car, there is NO VALID CLAIM that it is driving habits causing the mileage, if none of the other cars I own or owned got less than the EPA on those particular vehicles. 3. I have owned at least 8 Mercedes Benz S500's from 1992 to 1998, of which with the same driving habits I got 13-14 city and 18-20 highway with a 300 + hp V8 hauling a block shaped 4,700lbs. I'd like you to repeat reading the specs and MPG I got with 8 separate S500's and then explain how a modern V6 carrying less weigh is even CAPABLE of getting under 13mpg? 4. I recently ended my lease on an 07' BMW 300hp 335i twin turbo sedan auto which I never once got less than 17.8 combined end of tank miles. I drove that machine HARD. I got 26-32 highway when going to Vegas. 5. I had a V8 BMW Wagon that I got 15 city and 24 highway and that car weighed 3,880lbs. running an old style V8. The manufacturers of a vehicle must be held accountable to their product specifications. No one can sell a house with an Ocean view where the buyer walks out one day and it's nothing but roof tops and telephone poles. That’s called FRAUD and it says LAWSUIT all over it. A pair of shoes that have the soles melt on hot asphalt would not be tolerated and neither should wild claims about MPG. In fact Fords main advertising feature on this vehicle is the mpg! False advertising is against the law. Period. The bottom line is that a manufacturer cannot be able to fraudulently entice buyers to buy a product that does not even remotely perform as advertised. This is nothing different than a construction company buying a tractor that is supposed to be able to pull 25,000 lbs and the engine seizes at 12,000 lbs. There is NO difference.

I'm rather disappointed that upgraded shocks/ suspension doesn't come with the Sport. Most brands Sport packages have this. The standard system is far from "sporty." I think the pricing will be a bargain compared to after market, and will be slightly over the SEL price and well under a Limited.

I'm tired of hearing all the "I get 19-22mpg" stories. I have owned 5 SUV's over the last 3 years, all with other owners on forums making the same claims. These same owners neglect to tell you they live out in some semi rural suburb, out on a farm with flat highways, or the most important, that they are the people getting flipped off every day by other drivers for putzing off the starting line of every intersection going 3mph. These are the drivers that take 74 city blocks to reach 25mph and you know who you are. The average California/Chicago/NY driver is not going to get more than 13-14 with any SUV with 220-300hp, period. It's the law of physics. These are not direct injected BMW's here, they're plain old injected, heavy vehicles, with standard design transmissions, and they are inefficient as hell. I now have 3,000 miles on my Edge and do a lot of city with 20% highway. My mpg is consistently 13-14 city. Unless you're meandering around with the foot of an old maid, hence the fingers and shouts of other drives windows, by the very nature of busy bee drivers in big cities, you'll have to keep up with the flow of that... then you're getting real mpg. Like 17-18 highway. The Edge weighs over 4,000lbs., has a semi advanced trans, and is not particularly aero dynamic. It doesn't have the type of trans that Mercedes/ BMW types have, which have astounding power curves and shift patterns, seriously increasing MPG... and the injection is a huge deal as well. Back to the trans. This has a LOT to do with mpg. When a trans is not very advanced in design, it takes a lot more to get it to stay in a gear up hill, a lot more effort to take off effectively, and I know for a fact, Fords love to retard timing to make them shift smoothly. They "cheat" smooth shifts by retarding timing rather than having a proper trans. Therefore you're lead footing it to make it just drive normally. Drive an Audi or other Euro car and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. It's one huge reason Ford and GM and losing to Jap and Euro manufacturers. They continue to put out designs that are 10 years behind. People catch on. They switch brands. Our Hyundai Veracruz Limited is 10 light years ahead of our Edge. It is astoundingly refined and the shifting is at least 4 levels above. The AWD Veracruz gets better city than our 2 WD Edge. Case in point of American engineering and other countries. I get 17-18mpg city, with a 300+HP 2003 S500... and I drive hard. I get 17.8 on a very fast driving day a (0-60 in 4.8 seconds) 07' 335i BMW and 24 at a cruising speed of 90mph. The ML500 gets 14 in the city, many of my business partners own them. Explain that. The bottom line is if you live in a big city or coastal town, you're mpg is going to suck. That is, as I've said, unless you're one of the 'door stops' that causes everyone else on the road to swerve around you....

4 1/4 in x 3 x 3/4 is what I measured the outside edge of the tip, at the back. I have no idea what the stock pipe is, but they didn't modify anything to put them on.

Limo Tint: Don't care. Newport Beach, every car has tint and the Police work for the residents here, as opposed to other cities, (where they thrash everyone that lives in the neighborhood.) The NB Police pull over junkers, transients, out-of-towners, etc., not the Lambos and Bentleys running around, whom will simply call their neighbor the Judge anyway, and report the officer for being an A Hole. There are simply too many extremely powerful homeowners/d business owners here, whom will literally end a cops career for hassling them. I routinely see Lambos GT3's running at 70 - 80 on Newport Coast drive, 55 through CDM, and roasting tires at Fashion Island. I'm very lucky. BUT I imagine small towns in the south and the mid west have to be pretty lenient as well. Besides, tint is a fix it ticket. In Ca you don't have to actually get the infraction fixed. You can pay a higher fine and not fix it. Same as license plates. I have never removed tint from a vehicle in 30 years because of a ticket. End of Tint Rant. License plates. 18 years without them on any car I have ever owned. I have dealer inserts. In this case I had a custom plate made that says Newport Beach Luxury Automobiles. (There is no such dealership.) Mounted on rear only. I've been pulled over twice in the years, it's a $15 fix it ticket, $100 if you pay the fine instead. I paid the fine once because my BMW didn't even have a place for a bracket to mount. No way I was going to butcher my twin turbo because of a cop. I told the judge that, so he said, here, "wanna pay $100 instead?" Yessir! Here's the other side of the coin: Have license plates mounted and get a traffic camera ticket; pay $500 because the prick in front of you stopped in the middle of the intersection suddenly... or get a POSSIBLE $15 fix it ticket for not having plates. Your choice would be? The exhaust tips I got at Speedway Muffler in Rowland Heights. I don't know what the part number is, but he installed them both for $80 including labor. Hitch I bought online for $140. See my link at Edge Forum Hitch: Thread for info

I know a lot of people like H&R, they are good, but Porsche, Mercedes (AMG) and BMW use Eibach for a reason. Here's the part number if interested. Eibach TRUCK PRO-KIT Part # 35117.540 Drops Front 1.8 in Drops Rear 1.2 in To me Eibach is a higher end, more trusted name in springs and suspension for serious performance. Now if only Bilstein would make shocks for the Edge.... Link to Springs

A tad Pimpy for my personal tastes, but unbiased, it looks really nice. Should sell a lot of Edge's for Ford. They should pay for the work!

1000% true. That was a mitigating factor in my not buying one as well. They tacked on $5,000 for "market value" and then had an astronomically ridiculous lease rate. Like $800 a month for a 24 month lease. The thing stickered into the $50k's as they added wheels and tires. It was f*ckin insane. I commented I could get a Mercedes Benz GL V8, a BMW X5 V8, or a Lexus LX450 for way less per month. The salesman actually looked me in the eye and dead pan says "We build a quality product." As if this negated buying a GM over a Mercedes/Lexus or BMW.

Not only that, but the Enclave is HUGE inside, and offers rear Captains chairs as an option. I like the looks of the Edge, but the Enclave is to me, 50% nicer looking. It is probably the classiest looking SUV out there. If I was spending in the 40's, I'd go with the Enclave. The thing to question though is reliability and future fit-finish problems. Chevy has quite a few of their trucks/SUV's on Consumer Reports Worts Reliability list this year. GM is also notorious for door panels coming unglued, leather cracking, squeaks, rattles and all sorts of other issues. Drive a Corvette with 10,000 miles on it and you'll see. There's a reason GM is constantly at the verge of bankruptcy, and it isn't because they build Japanese quality autos either.

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I like the Hexomats at AutoAnyhting.com Rubber is MUCH better than vinyl!! Vinyl scuffs and discolors, especially in tan. As a former dealer, I swear from experience by rubber over vinyl. Vinyl eventually looks extremely dirty from marks and stains. Nothing you can do to ever make them look good again. Rubber is a solid core product and lasts longer. I always go with Black Hexomats. We abuse the crap out of them and they clean with nothing but water and a brush, no soap. They look 100% brand new even after a year in our 4x4. I have the same color interior as you, and the black looks excellent. Hexomats are super thick, heavy duty, I'd say commercial grade. I have them in our 2007 BMW and our other luxury vehicles. No matter how high-end the vehicle, the black Hexo has always looked perfect. Here is why I don't like Weathertech: They "lip" up the walls of the car, floppity. They flop all over, things fall behind the edges. They catch on shoes and I think in general, the mats look cheesy. They are fine for a farm truck with lots of slop, snow and mud, but an urban vehicle? Here's why I hate Vinyl: Colored vinyl mats have large surface areas, flat plateaus, whereas the Hexo have tiny ridges where the shoe meets the mat. Typical large surface area mats then have a huge contact area to scuff, and collect large patches of dirt. Hexo breaks dirt into each of the hexagons. Essentially making it very difficult to compact dirt because your shoe cannot smash into the hexagon pattern. Your show stays on the ridges. Since there is only a lot of small ridges meeting your shoe, there is very little to WEAR out. Most of the surface is at the bottom of each and every hexagon, where you can't touch. They vacuum out really easily.

I think it looks fine. I would add some sort of wheel and tire package with a hint of off-road to them. I wouldn't go full-on mud tires or anything, but maybe a trail tire slightly fatter than the wheel.