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So it is finally gonna happen. The wife and I are going to look at picking up a 2009 Ford Edge Sport this week. So my question for you guys is, how much of a mark-up on the MSRP of an Edge is there? If the base price for a Sport model (and Limited for that matter) is $38,999 how much off of that should we be looking for? Any tips or tricks would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

The markup on these is pretty slim now. Only 2-3k usually.... depending on configuration. Much different than 10 years ago.

Any current offers on the Ford Edge in Canada that you have heard of? 0% financing or anything?

http://www.ford.com/purchasing-options/rebates-incentives

I was lucky... I got my 08' with 0% interest in late October. The offer ended Nov, 3. Between that and my Z-Plan discount I couldn't say no.

try to reset Sync by pulling the Sync fuse (search these forums or your manual as I forgot which one) for 1 minute. people also had success by disconnecting battery, but easier to just pull the fuse as that is official reset method.

 

then also upgrade your Sync to version 1.1 if you have not already. that can be obtained here

Lex, I think you put the fear of god into it, because it works now.

It could have been the cold. The car had been warmed up for a few hours running errands and the outside temperature today was a balmy 20 F versus the -3 to 5 F it has been for a week. I wonder if it was a temperature issue.

I bet you have the User Device set to Line In and not USB.. check that.. if you had your mp3 player hooked up to the USB port BUT did not have the User Device set to USB and rather, Line In this would happen.

 

and/or do you see the timer count down on the screen when the mp3 player is playing songs?

I have a thumb drive in the USB. Was workign great. One day it stopped. I see the timer count as it is playing the music, I see the name of the song, and I see that it is set to USB. I press skip button it loads the next song, plays it aswell. No audio what so ever however.

Lately when I play MP3's via the USB, I do not hear any sounds on the speaker. However, if I switch am/fm, sat etc... sound. Just the MP3's play and they show time progress, but no sound. Sync works great aswell. Anyone else have this issue?

I suspect you can upgrade the Hard Drive in the system by simply copying all system info to a new one [formatting it as a system disk with the correct disk format] and reinstalling it. I doubt the software would know the difference and just think there is more space.... much like swapping in a new HD into a PS3 is pretty easy to do.

no on both accounts.

The AWD drive system is considered "Open" differentials with Electronic Torsion Control [i.e. applying of brakes to wheel with traction loss, there by transferring torque to the non spinning wheel]. This is different than "Locking" differentials and "Limited Slip" differentials which are also different from each other.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_slip_differential

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locking_differential

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_differential

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfer_case

I used to live in Owasso Michigan.. random reply...

Hey...I really really want a Ford Edge, but I am wondering how expensive the upkeep is. Like the cost of parts, and tires. Right now I have a mitsubishi eclipse and getting it worked on costs me a fortune! Any advice?

I'm averaging about 16.8 to 17 mpg in the city. 23 on highway long haul (1 + hour) @ 80mph.

Routine Maintance, should be decent priced. Example just on parts ...

Ford Edge Front Pads = ~$60

Ford Edge Rear Pads = ~$45

Spark Plugs = ~$2.00 each

The biggest issue [depending on the if you have 2000+ Eclipse or not] is that half the engine is against the firewall. Just like on the Eclipse V6's. So you pretty much have to pull the engine to replace 3 spark plugs.

I am sort of confused on why they are saying this. The MAF (Mass Air Flow) Sensor measures ironically the amount of air entering the engine. And by design is less sensitive or insensitive to air density. And the ECU also accounts for intake temperature via the IAT (Intake Air Temperature) Sensor.

So it shouldn't matter if the air filter is flowing more as the sensor will tell the ECU what is flowing. The only concern would be overflowing the sensor... but I doubt this is a problem.

If what they are saying is you need to tune to see benefits... then I certaintly agree. But I don't see how it can have a negative impact since ford used a MAF setup. Now if it were a MAP (Manifold Absolute Pressure) type of configuration... then that is something different as the ECU derives the density based upon a number of different factors.

Ya, I'm always worried about opening up the exhaust on a Naturally Aspirated car. You can loose some of the back pressure and actually have detrimental power effects. On a Turbo engine, it doesn't really matter as the turbine provide the needed exhaust pressure. I would think we would have better results for gaining power with modifications to the intake rather than the exhaust.

A very dirty rule of thumb is that a pipe will flow 115cfm per square inch of cross-sectional area. You need 2.2cfm of flow capacity per horsepower.

I.e.

A = pi * radius ^2 = (diameter^2 * pi) /4

For a 2 inch pipe

= (2'^2 * pi) /4 = 3.145 square inches

HP = (A * 115) / 2.2= (115cfm * 3.145sq. inch) /2.2 = 163.4 hp.

[EDIT: I was an idiot and forgot to account for the 2.2 cfm per hp portion. I have corrected this oversight]

So from a flow perspective a 2 inch pipe should be able to flow the gasses up to about 163.4 hp. Obviously though, bends and restrictions have a negative effect on the flow and lower the number. Hence why it is a "dirty rule of thumb". I think once we start reaching ~75% [~123.3+ hp] of that flow amount it is a requirement to upgrade pipe sizes. Also remember this is talking about a single exhaust pipe... not a dual exhaust.

So if we are running 1.75' dual pipes that is roughly 125.7 hp per pipe... or combined flow of 251.5 hp... just to give an idea. Also, this is Crank HP and not Wheel HP. Anyone know the diameter to our exhaust pipes on the AWD Edge?

Which to means we will see minimal gains for the price... but that is just me. I think we can get more bang for the buck by a straighter intake track and with a cooler air charge.... and I don't mean a suppressed Cold Air Intake that has a filter hanging out in the engine bay sucking in air off the engine and after the radiator. I mean a real system that has a large flow snorkel drawing in air from outside the engine bay.

Not to sound like a prick... but why did you take possession of the vehicle if you weren't happy with it?

Anybody is having experience Ford Edge on sand dunes. I'm having a 2008 Edge. Like to have experience on sand. Pls advice whether Edge is capable.

I would recommend against it due to:

1) The AWD drive system does not have limited slip differentials. If you bog down you'll be spinning two tires rather than all 4

2) Sand is EXTREMELY tough on vehicles, oil, lubricants etc...

3) Offroading it could be grounds for voiding the warrently.

I like that last one with the black plastic. 1200 lbs is far more than I'll need.

I was thinking of putting 4 on each side of the car and 4 on the trunk floor. That should give me a good range to hook things on. Now I just need to do it when the wife is not looking

sand, good primer and paint would likely hold. sure powder coat would be better, but way more coin for sure.

 

IF they rattle, that is an easy fix also. a thin piece if rubber, like from a bike tire, cut & glued to fit into the recess would stop that.

 

check this out... lots of choices

Ya... thought about a piece of rubber aswell.

Thanks for the google link!

Just a PTO I believe (center diff). I know the front wheel drive is open diff.

So worst case is two wheels of the 4 will get power and spin... rather than the one wheel in most FWD.

Of course the electronic traction control will apply brakes to the spinning wheel to get torque to flow to the opposite wheel. Which of course does help.

I'm a fan of EBC GreenStuff. I run it on my tuned eclipse and talked a friend into installing them on his Cooper S.

I do think there catalog is sketchy though, I must have been one of the first purchasers for my model of eclipse (97 GST) because they sent me the pads for a GSX. Summit Racing [who I purchased through] got an EBC engineer on the phone with me and I measured my old pads against the new pads and we found the correct pad size, Summit immediately shipped me the correct part for free [probably billed EBC for the oversight]. They said they were going to update the catalog. Kudo's to Summit Racing and EBC for great customer care.

I guess if you waste enough money on go fast parts they'll give you a little extra attention.

But long story short, I have been very pleased and as has anyone else using these pads. I have not noticed separation of the pads or loud noises from the pads. I would recommend new rotors or at a MINIMUM having the rotors turned if you are going to install these pads. They have a special layer coating specifically designed to enhance the "wear in" of the pad on a new rotor.

here is a much cheaper option WITH backing plates: click here

Could probably go and get them powder coated aswell so they match up very nicely... Paint would most likely chip. My only real concern would be a "rattle" as I drive due to the "ring" bouncing around. Some Truck bed Coating would also solve both issues i suspect by providing a sound deading layer and color.

I have an 08' SEL AWD. Do these come with some sort of limited slip differentials? I.e. LSD in the front or center or rear?

one bummer in this car is that it has no tie down loops. I, several time, considered mounting a few of these - or one like it - in the back so we had loops to tie to, but did not do it (yet)

Have a link for those? It may require reinforcing the trunk floor slightly so it doesn't curl... Or perhaps putting them on the sides and having the net hold the goods against the side... but then I would have to take the panel off and put some reinforcement behind the mount.. some sheet metal should do nicely for that.

I am not talking about the one around the spare tire. I have that equipped already. I was wondering if there was some sort of net or system to keep my groceries from flying all over the trunk because I drive like I stole it

Anyone know if one is available online?

I just purchased a new 08' Edge SEL AWD, with leather, sync, etc... under my grandfather's Z-Plan. And with the current 0% for 72 months it was a heck of a deal.

Anyways, I am looking at putting some undercoating like 3M Rubberized Undercoating on the underside to protect it. I didn't think spending the $700 to $800 at the dealer was worth it. I am wondering if anyone knows or has a diagram of the key areas that I would need to spray.

Also is there a Factory Service Manual (FSM) available for this vehicle?