Special_K

Does this mean that the pipe can be used with the stock intercooler as well ?

 

As for the size, this is good, for if the pipe was oversized it would slow the air flow though it. Though a oversize pipe may flow more air, throttle response would suffer. It is important to maintain speed of air flow for good response. It sounds perfect I can't wait.

Xtra, yes it can be used with the stock intercooler, all it does is maintain the stock 2.25 size all the way through.

Buddy of mine got wind of what we are doing and sent me this, thought I had to share it with the community lol

snmjim, Here is a 65mm Throttle Body you might be interested in to help move more air. And good for a few more ponies.

https://www.stage3motorsports.com/1894-2015-2017-F150-2-7L-EcoBoost-BBK-65mm-Power-Plus-Throttle-Body.html

 

ecoboostbbk65mmpower-plusthrottlebody03-1.jpg

 

 

 

it has been added to the list :-) thanks Xtra!

If I understand this right, the wheels will come off on the first dull power 1-2 shift ehehe

 

My car hops on the first shift that leads me to believe there is a ton of power at redline.

 

Will stay tuned.

 

Meanwhile, I set a new stock record for those who still have their warranty in tact.

This could be a possibility but with our newly upgraded PTU and some sticky 275's I think we will be golden

More PSi? LMS race v3 is pushing 21 psi, can the block handle that much more? Just curious.

 

I'm guessing more power is going to expose more weak points. For just the tune, the weak point is putting all that power down.

Fantastic question!!! So the peak boost that the stock turbos push is 22psi, at this point they are hair dryers and WAY WAY WAY out of efficiency range. Also, they hit this peak very early in the rpm range... about 2800-3800 and begin to drop off after 4400 because they are no longer efficient until about 14psi (or less) at redline.

​Now, the new ones will hit hard around 3500 (keep engine load down the higher the rpm) and will continue to produce efficient cool boost out to 6K while maintaining boost pressure. this will keep heat lower, and loads lower. Next, higher volume: the new turbos at 18psi will most likely create the same horsepower as stock ones at 22psi, more volume, more air, more fuel, less pressure, which is hard to explain how this works.

The goal isn't to make more boost, rather push the peak out a tad for better fuel economy and better WOT traction and a harder pull to redline.

Hope I answered your question, if I didn't please let me know

Just got an update from BNR! these are looking good!

Has anyone looked into these? Its for an f150 2.7 not sure if that has the same turbos as the edge 2.7.

 

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F122854104779

Yes we have, totally different turbo layout sadly. not a direct plug and play. Ours will be more aggressive and flow more volume plus psi than these.

 

I just scored a set of 2.7L Edge turbos for $275 each with only 6K miles on them :happy feet: . There was shipping and $25 bucks each core charge on top though . I am going to keep my stock turbos just in case. CTI Turbo stage one mods will keep the throttle response and drivability while giving overall more power and more top end. CTI can do this with only a two week turnaround.

http://www.ctiturbo.com

Increased HP / torque output

Increased rotor acceleration

Faster transient response

Higher compressor efficiency

3x thrust load capacity over factory journal bearing CHRA (Ball Bearing option)

Higher mechanical efficiency

 

They will replace the cast internal parts with custom billet ones. The turbo housing will be machined to accept the larger parts and they will be completely rebuilt, balanced and tested with new bearings. I asked if my car would pass smog and was told that it should pass with a stock tune no problem. These turbos will make more power than stock and are everyday driver parts. I do not believe they are as radical as snmjim and Special_K's turbos, I think theirs will make much more power . Thanks to Special_K and snmjim for the inspiration to do this. . I will be needing that inter-cooler more than ever now.

 

Xtra is coming after the big boys ;-), send us some update pics along the way and make sure we keep their info readily available. I'm going to update the OP with all of our info, parts, prices, dynos and the such.

Also if you need seal part numbers for a turbo install we have them and can post them.

This is what Ford has to say about the PTU oil for Middle East (GCC) spec AWD Edge/MKX & even 2.0L Escapes:

 

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that's an interesting way to state it... "in sand" lol

He just said that’s one reason they make the recommendation.

 

And dealership technicians don’t work for Ford.

seems like a silly reason to skip maintenance imo. its haunting them on the police interceptors.

That better not be covered under warranty (Ford Motor Company paying for it) and better be on the dealer's dime. Not Ford's fault the service wasn't done correctly.

 

Incidentally this is one of the main reasons why Ford does not recommend servicing the trans or PTU fluid.

So your saying that since their technicians are incompetent we should suffer with a less reliable part due to lack of maintenance ......yea not happening

Wow, not good You try to take care of your car and this happens. At least they will step up do the right thing and replace the PTU. Man this sucks, sorry for your loss and completely unnecessary.

Thanks Xtra, it was completely unnecessary however they have blown my father and I away in customer service!

Also, all parts are on hold for materials so I guess its better that I happened now than later.

Well we got some bad news folks....on the topic of PTU... the type of fluid is an absolutely necessity to pay close attention to. We had a service Friday and flush trans and PTU fluid. On the way to work this morning dad (Snmjim) did a hard pull on to the highway and immediately after started to experience a very loud whine and an occasional clunky/chunky feeling. Having explained to him what a ptu failure feels like he turned around and went to ford. They put it up on the rack and pulled the drain plug, the wrong color fluid came out (confirming incorrect fluid) along with metal shaving and chunks.

They are replacing it under warranty, and till its replaced our R&D Pace will be slowed for a bit.

Sorry in advance,

Special_K & Snmjim

Blew our PTU on the way to work.... great way to start a monday

Snmjim check this thread out

The type of fluid is an absolutely necessity to pay close attention to. We had a service Friday and flush trans and PTU fluid. On the way to work this morning dad (Snmjim) did a hard pull on to the highway and immediately after started to experience a very loud whine and an occasional clunky/chunky feeling. Having explained to him what a ptu failure feels like he turned around and went to ford. They put it up on the rack and pulled the drain plug, the wrong color fluid came out (confirming incorrect fluid) along with metal shaving and chunks.

They are replacing it under warranty, and till its replaced our R&D Pace will be slowed for a bit.

Sorry in advance,

Special_K & Snmjim

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Welcome to the DARKSIDE :happy feet: :happy feet:

Keep tabs in the 2.7 ecoboost section for updates on our prototype parts!

A reliable 12 sec suv is in our future!

Makes me wish I had waited for a 2016+ edge instead of grabbing a 2015 lol.

time to trade in ;-)

I have done a fair amount of Gear lube testing and think I have found the best Gear lube to use with the PTU. Frequency of change is the key to longevity plus the extra amount of capacity that has been added to the PTU are the slight improvements with the addition of a drain plug to facilitate fluid changes. The PTU should be able to handle up to about 500hp. The newer PTU's have had some additional internal adjustments but heat is still the enemy of the lubricants.

Awesome info!

Would you like to enlighten what the best Gear lube is??

We are testing the CP-e rmm now.

oh gotcha. didn't realize the change in PTU for the gen2. well monkey balls! lol

All good! we are all here to learn and have fun!

Calling on Nick,

 

Can you please get me the POC for the CNC IC grill at your earliest Op.

 

I tried finding but no luck.

 

I'd like to do everything at once while I have the front off:

 

IC cold side boost pipe

 

IC

IC grill

Turbos

 

From one Brother-N-Arms to another...your support would be greatly appreciated!

I like this idea the best snmjim, seems to be the best of both worlds that we are looking for.

Just curious isn't our PTU on the AWD a huge weak point already? From so many threads on here i figured this type of power gains would basically just be to much for the PTU. Or is the PTU not quite as unreliable as some have made it out to be on here?

you are correct the PTU is a limiting factor. however the Gen 2 Edgesport uses the same ptu out of the explorer which gives us a little bit of head room. Everything has its limits of course.

I forget what the technical name is for our little flaps that open and close depending on speed for aero drag efficiency. Is there any way to test these ourselves without having a camera mounted on the grill? Reason I ask is my Torque app showed me a possible Module failure with mine but I'm not actually sure if anything is wrong or if it is just a compatibility issue with the app reading a PID wrong.

when the car is cold...like over night....start the car up and run over to the gril with a light and look in, you should see them cycling