jamie1073

Yep!

11 hours ago, alblundo said:

 

As  suggested above, I left my keys in the kitchen and went into the garage after the vehicle sat all night. As soon as I opened the back left side door I heard the clank. After following this thread, I'm thinking that it is more of a gear or actuator engaging or disengaging. I don't think that a fuel pump priming will create this type of sound. Now to be fair it is possible that the fuel pump is priming as well but it may be silent. So to me a faulty RDU seems to be the likely culprit. Especially since mine was built Feb 13 right in the middle of the build dates noted above. Will check in with the dearler.

That makes sense.  Mine is not that loud but is a light engaging like clunking sound, like an electronic actuator of sorts.  At first I thought it had something to do with the door locks or hatch locking mechanism but dismissed that as a 'why would it do that' thing.  As for the RDU, yeah it sound like that is it, but I am still wondering why it would do a test every time you open the door.  Seems like a waste in all honesty of both power and wear and tear on an item.  Especially without the keys on you.  But whatever they want to do to save time. Not sure why it could not self test when you push the starter button since it is not like you can quickly start and throw this thing in gear that would not allow time for the test or whatever.  Oh well.  Problem solved.  ?

56 minutes ago, commbubba19 said:

 

i don't think you know what a fuel pump priming sounds like.

 

the system check occurs anytime the vehicle thinks you might be getting in to drive away.  there's likely other timers involved as well.

Well I wonder who is right and what it is then?  Half the people in the thread say pump priming prepping for a start.  Mine does not make any sounds if I do not have the key on me, locked or unlocked.  I grab the handle locked and nothing without the key.  I open the doors when unlocked without the key and nothing.  I grab a handle with it and I hear the sound right in front of the drivers side read wheel area or the wheel area itself.  Not sure what else needs to prepare other than the low pressure side getting ready to feed the HPFP.  But whatever.  I really don't care, it makes a sound and it seems no one knows what it is but you know what it is not.  ?

3 hours ago, benk016 said:

Its definitely not the fuel pump. Mine does it if I open any door, or even just unlock the vehicle and not open a door. It is definitely something physically moving, like a gear engaging or solenoid engaging. I figured from the start it had to do with the AWD system that disconnects the rear drive train. 

It is the fuel pump priming.  It will only do it if the key is on you.  Open a door without your key on you and it does nothing, if unlocked of course. 

On 8/11/2019 at 1:25 PM, eddie368 said:

Jamie I have the 20's with hankooks and also installed the RMM with a tune and garrett IC and borla and when ever I brake torq it I get wheel hop for the 1st 10 feet or so then it gets traction and it stops.Now it spins the wheels for 4-5 feet with out any wheel hop.

Interesting.  I can't get anywhere near that kind of wheel spin when brake torquing with my Livernois 93 tune.  Which tune do you have?  Just curious. 

I have honestly never had wheel hop on my ST on any corner!  I am tuned and have the 20's with the Hankooks on them and they just spin and grip.  Never hop.  Now my Focus ST was a different story but that was almost eliminated with an RMM.  I know the Edge ST and the Sport do come with a softer RMM for less NVH and I wonder if that would have been a solution as well.  Since it would stop the engine from shifting so much and sending a jolt down the drivetrain when it hits its end of travel. 

2 hours ago, bobyellow said:

 

Yup. Lots of times. Mostly for P to R for me (in garage backing out). After a cold start. Doesn't sound good for sure.

I had it fully warmed up yesterday sound like a loud ass bang, I had the window down and was putting it into D after stopping home to put the dogs out and leaving. 

Is anyone else experiencing the hard engagements from P to D or R to D or D to R like this.  I get it randomly just wondering about everyone else?

I would like to see another Livernois revision.  From what I have read from the Sport they did not get the max out of the first few revisions.  I have revision 3 right now.  I may email them after this post to see what the status of any future revisions is. 

5 hours ago, Donto said:

 

I grew up in North Syracuse and my wife is from Watertown.  We have a cottage in Sackets Harbor.  I spent many a Sundays at ESTA growing up as some of my friends had 440 Roadrunners, 383 Superbees, 340 Cuda's!  And yes there are no shortage of long flat roads in various surface condition in upper upstate NY!  Hopefully someday we all can do a meetup at ESTA.  I'm looking forward to giving my friend with a pristine 1970 454 SS a run at ESTA, he can't hookup at all!

Nice to see another Northern NY'er.  And yeah I would love to go. 

I am getting slightly better mileage since I tuned it.  Which is funny because I floor it even more now. Lol!  But I imagine if I was doing my trips back and forth from PA to NY that I used to do when I lived in PA that I would be getting a higher average MPG.  But I do just drive to work and back now and to shopping.  I accelerate hard and yeah this engine seems to suck the gas down quick when doing that compared to how much the Focus ST did as compared to the City rating.  According to Fuely I still get around 17mpg, so lower than city rating.  My Focus got a bit better than City rating while driving the same route.  So that was my biggest complaint, I did not expect Focus mileage but kind of close to the rating compared to previous vehicles.  But I love the power and vehicle so oh well I will deal with it.  LOL

I think the bulletin states it is a 1.5hr job but I can't imagine it takes that long.  I had them do mine on my  first oil change so my dad took it to the dealer, he works there, so they had it all day.

I agree that the TSB should be applied before even letting someone test drive it since it is for a driveability issue.  And I assume it does not take to long as it is just a software update so how ever l long the programming takes. 

14 hours ago, akirby said:

Remember the ST launched the same time as the regular models so the time was obviously compressed.

 

Considering how many they’ve sold and that only a few enthusiasts have major complaints it was probably the right business decision.  That would be a big revenue loss to delay the STs for one year.

How many have they actually sold.  I do not see any other ST's in my area.  I see more Raptors than Edge ST's or Sports, heck I have seen more Nautilus 2.7's.  Do you have any sales figures as I am kind of curious.  Sure there are only a few enthusiasts that notice the vehicles issues but that does not make it right.  The magazine reviews alone all complaining about the same thing is a problem.  Many people looking for such a vehicle and to spend $50K for an SUV that is sporty probably read them.  And launching the ST was not something new for Ford, they just renamed the thing and beefed it up a bit.  Heck they managed to add more power and somehow make it slower.  They made mistake with this models transmission and should have effort into testing, both in the ST and the normal models. 

I hope they do fix it.  Lol!!!

2 hours ago, akirby said:

Ok, whatever.  I know a transmission engineer and that’s not how it works.

And they have never seen an executive listening to a focus group say they want something else.   I mean obviously the transmission can shift better since LMS has managed to get it to.  So your telling me that some executive could not have possibly said 'no we do not want it to shift that way make it more comfortable shifting'.  Really you want me to believe that an Engineers ideas have never been shot down? 

12 hours ago, akirby said:

You’re assuming that they didn’t even try.  It’s way way way more complicated than that.  I think they had limited time to get the job done - probably 6-12 months less than they would have liked.

Oh I assume they tried and someone up above the Engineers said 'no we will sell more if it is comfortable and soft' than if it is fast/quick and fun.  Then with the Explorer they learned their lesson and said lets make the Sport button Sporty.  Sadly the reviews for the the Edge ST are not very good in the transmission department and it shows since they are not flying off the shelves so to speak.  Oh well. 

16 minutes ago, akirby said:

 

Its easy to get a tranny to shift faster.  It’s hard to do it without sacrificing comfort and reliability long term.

 

The 10 speed had issues the first year.  It takes time to perfect these things in the real world.  But I do think they rushed this one to market a bit.

I just wish they maybe did some better programming, sure comfort is nice but why change the name to ST if you are gong to keep it all 'comfy' shift wise.  People want Comfy then buy a titanium or if they want a 2.7TT then buy the Lincoln.  If you want to call it ST then make it one.  There was nothing 'Comfy' about my Focus ST.  And they are not selling these ST's like wildfire in my area.  Heck with 3 dealers withing spitting distance of me, 20 miles, they have 7 total and the only one sold so far is mine around here and I had it dealer traded to get what I wanted.  The dealer I bought mine from has 4, with the one I looked at first 7 months ago still there.  Maybe they would sell better if they would have made it more ST than 'comfy' I guess.  Lol,  Then again I have only seen 2 Edge Sports in my area ever, I see more Raptors. 

21 hours ago, akirby said:

 

The Explorer ST tranny is several years old.  Edge ST tranny is brand new.

I know this.  That does not mean they could not have programed the Edge trans better.  I mean it is not like they just threw an 8 speed trans in the vehicle on a whim.  And if Livernois or other tuners can make it shift better than Ford should have done that from the get go.  It is supposed to be an ST so it should be quicker shifting.  Like I said they programmed, made, the Explorer ST shift better than even the Mustang so it is setup to be more 'Sporty' from the start. 

58 minutes ago, vmaxbaby said:

Which FORD would see these comments and step it up a little.  Like let us have boost in 1st and 2nd gear... maybe not 100% boost but 8 to 10 pounds would be nice and would get this tank off the line a little better

 

It would be,  Seems they cared with the Explorer ST programming, even made it better than a Mustang GT shifting wise.  But not for the Edge ST. 

On 7/17/2019 at 1:28 PM, Xtra said:

Be sure to turn off the traction control. 

Oh it is off.  Lol!  I do not start driving until after I press that button to off.  Some days I hold it just to make sure I get no nanny interventions.

On 7/17/2019 at 1:07 PM, 037 said:

Jamie, if you have e85 in your area try adding a gallon to tank (half to half etc) and see if that gets you over 100 mph ?

Sadly I can not find E85 anywhere near me, not within 100 miles of my location.  ?

Best so far using my Dragy, no strips near me anywhere, is 13.59@99.39 on 93 LMS tune.  I have recorded that time 3 times when in Sport Mode and launching around 3000 RPM, I am guessing since I did not have the tach up on the display and am going by the one next to the fuel display so I am guessing since it was between 2K and 4K on the scale. 

4 hours ago, IWRBB said:

I'll look tonight, but I don't think that is the case with the Edge ST.  It looks like the pipes just end in the "tips" that are part of the bumper. 

 

I think the further back the pipe is the better, since you can't see the end of the pipe that way.    

Yes the Edge ones end about an inch into the fascia, I have no idea of why but I just was sort of assuming it had something to do with soot and keeping it off the rear of the vehicle.  Maybe air flow through that setup keeps it off the back end. 

Go look at an Explorer ST or even the Platinum, the exhaust tips are fake.  Put your finger in one and they are blocked.  The actual exhaust exits out the bottom under the tips to keep soot down and off the tips and bumper cover.