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You're welcome, I agree it's odd that more people haven't noticed this. However in the newest software update Ford has added LOTS of torque management to the shifts which has made the 2-3-4 shifting less noticeable (but I can still tell). I've wondered the exact same thing about the ST experience (I didn't get around to going) and if they used the vehicle in manual mode or not. I had the Explorer ST as an extended test drive over a weekend and put the transmissions through it's paces in every mode there is, the 10 speed is WAY better, Ford should have just used that in the Edge as well. I have a few posts in this thread, and I think I even linked to a video that I did showing what I saw, you might be interested in checking that out.

Do you notice the flare when going from 2nd to 3rd, and then a delay when shifting from 3rd to 4th? That's one of the things I have always hated about this transmission in the car. Ford messed up the gearing and gears 2 & 3 are almost identical, at redline there is maybe a 300RPM difference which causes all sorts of shifting problems in this thing. Because of this and other issues I had my transmissions replaced in Jan of this year (2020) and the new transmission is actually worse. I gave up going to the dealer for the transmission after it was replaced and just figured I was stuck with it. Well more and more has continued to go wrong with this Edge ST and I'm in the process of Ford re-purchasing the vehicle. It's been approved and I am just waiting on how much I will be getting. I've test drove the Explorer ST and the transmission is FAR better (it works) and might end up in one if Ford doesn't try to screw me on the repurchase.

Before starting the vehicle press and hold the OK on the left, start the vehicle and keep OK pressed until the menu is displayed (should be around 5 seconds or so). The downside is that you can't get out of the menu or to any of the normal menu's until you turn the car off and back on.

I finally remembered to try if getting into the Test/Diag menu worked the same as my Focus ST did and it does. I was really hopping to find what gear was being used, but that wasn't available. I did find a screen that shows the speed and RPM as a digital readout though (attached photo). Since I was able to now see the number for the RPM I did a quick test around 35 mph on the way home looking at the difference between 2nd and 3rd and using this I could see a small drop in RPM. So maybe there really is no problem and it's just a poorly designed gear ratio setup (some may disagree, but 3rd gear is useless and shouldn't exist).

I can say at this point I will never buy Ford again, and will discourage anyone from doing so as well after this. The only other vehicle I was really looking at would be the Audi SQ5, and with the options I would want, it would have been about 20K more than this was.

Sorry if that's what it seemed like I was going for, it wasn't. I understand not wanting to take the risk of holding a phone. The dealerships just don't care what I tell them about others not having this issue (told them this after your post) and just revert to "if the computer doesn't show an issue, then tough luck". I have wasted so much time dealing with this where I instantly get annoyed the moment I get in the car. And Ford's attitude toward it all is "who cares, you are one person".

If everyone has the same as I do which they are stating is "normal" where there is no RPM drop from 2nd to 3rd it wouldn't even make sense for towing. It's basically 3rd is a useless gear that only causes a really poor 2nd to 4th transition at that point. I've wondered if a transmission shop could do anything about it (changing it maybe), but again, I shouldn't HAVE to do that after spending 50K either. I fully regret buying this vehicle that I am stuck with until I am "ok" with taking a hit financially to get rid of it.

I found another calculator online Engine RPM Calc and with a tire diameter of 29.3" (265/40 R21) RPM Gear MPH Ratio 4898 2nd 40 3.15 4462 3rd 40 2.87 2861 4th 40 1.84 2192 5th 40 1.41 1555 6th 40 1.00 This to me would make more sense and would fall in line with what everyone else is seeing as "normal", even the 3 - 4 difference seems about right from what I have seen (my opinion is they could have done this better). 6th seems about right too, lots of surface streets here are 40 mph so I'm doing the speed all the time. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm with ya, I have another appointment with a different dealership tomorrow morning now. Thank you for posting the tech spec sheet! I've been trying to locate that without success.

Nope, the reports have never been detailed with what they actually did which really makes me wonder what was done to test anything. I have a case open with Ford Customer Care (Is there a better one?). Even though I have heard bad things about other dealers, I'll give that a shot and see how it goes. I just really don't want to waste more of my time dealing with this. Pretty sure the vehicle has been at the dealer 5+ weeks since I bought it at the end of August 2019. You both make really good points about what overdrive really is and that makes sense. I've never looked into that but this "OD is by definition a ratio of less than 1.0: 1." totally makes sense to me and means their transmission specialist is talking out of his ass.

I did, I all but said their techs are idiots and monkeys if all they can do is fix something if the computer says there is an issue. Dealer techs seem like level 1 support people now, if there isn't a defined process to fix a well known problem they are useless. I have thought about going to a transmission shop, but I really don't want to spend money diagnosing a car I just paid over 50K for either. Ford needs to get their 5h1t together!

Thanks for the info... if someone could make a video it might give me more ammunition. I got the vehicle back today and just as I expected, NO fix for the transmission and they claim it's working right because the computer says so. ?

My vehicle is still at the dealer (tomorrow will be a week now again). Has anyone been able to confirm that their transmission behaves different than mine does? If the gear ratios posted are accurate, and the calculator I found too, then we should all be seeing the same behavior with 2nd and 3rd gear.

before I call the dealer to find out what is going on with my vehicle, can someone confirm that they see a different behavior when using the paddle shifters? From the calculations I did yesterday, it seems Ford f'd up on the gearing of the transmission and maybe what I am seeing is "normal" (if it is, the person responsible for this transmissions should be fired).

I agree, the current programming seems to get confused as to what gear it should really be using because of this and that might be the whole problem that I am seeing. I still can't believe this is how they decided to build this and put it into production! This has caused hesitation when shifting as I am crossing lanes of traffic leaving where I live and it's really unsettling.

I found a calculator online (if it's accurate) that pretty much says either 2nd or 3rd gear really isn't needed according to these ratios. And this is exactly what I am seeing. If this is accurate it's hugely stupid to have 2 gears so close that the programming always skips one! The attached image shows the results for gears 1 - 6. I feel as though this really makes it a 7 speed not 8 if there is a useless gear.

This has crossed my mind a few times as there are multiple dealerships around here, but the one I bought the car from and have been going to has the highest satisfaction rating.

I've contacted Ford Customer Care again today (2nd time now) and should have the regional manager calling me tomorrow. From what the advisor told me Ford doesn't pay the dealer for any fixes they do which they can't find a problem in the parts that are returned (not sure if this really holds water). Would anyone be able to do a video like I did using the paddle shifters to run 1st - 5th gears that I could show them how it SHOULD work? If someone could do this I'd really appreciate it.

I requested an update from the dealership and as I thought... it's BS and they aren't going to fix anything... I'm so over this crap and 100% regret buying this dang vehicle. "The tech got back with me and Charlie, he stated he is able to monitor 3rd gear is engaging, the reason it's in such high RPM compared to 4th, is 4th is considered an overdrive gear. At this point, there is no problem." My Response: "If other owners don't see the same behavior that can't be correct, especially when 3rd is never actually used. And 2nd and 3rd having identical rpms doesn't make sense either. No difference between 2nd and 3rd IS an issue." This will be the last Ford I ever own and will tell anyone and everyone to steer clear of Ford as well. This is beyond ridiculous now.

I'll be sure to post whatever ends up happening.

I brought my vehicle to the dealer yet again last Friday and gave them the info about the TC. I have little faith that it will get fixed, however if it does I'll be sure to post what was done.

When I get the car back to the dealer I'll suggest that this is done. Any idea if this is something that could be done via the tune and I could test this via LMS before getting back to the dealer?

Your right about the fluid being thicker when cold, the real problem for me is the issue with not using 3rd gear and when cold that problem is exaggerated and the car actually bucks when it should use 3rd but skips it to go to 4th. Because of the issue I have, light/normal throttle actually makes it even worse when cold. I appear to be just very unlucky and have gotten a f'ed up transmission which gives me a tainted perception.

I'm in Northern Cali right now for the holidays and it's decently chilly in the mornings, the shifting for this transmissions when it's cold is horrendous! Maybe there is more wrong with the transmission in my vehicle than I think, but I have never had a transmission shift this poorly when cold.

I hope so too, but it will at least take a few weeks since I couldn't let them keep my vehicle since I am driving out of town for the next 2 weeks and needed my vehicle. Hopefully they can at least get Ford to start looking at what could be going on though.