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2 hours ago, HUTCHRED said:

Anyway, it will be a couple of months before I take ownership of the car but was trying to be prepared. My family is doing a bit of a car swap and I am ending up with a 2020 Edge ST.

I think you need to wait and see if it is possible to swap a 2019+ nautilus cluster in there. If you had a 15-18, I would say for the MKX cluster

I think post tuning support is more like "hey, my car is acting funny since I used your tune, any chance you could take a look at datalogs?" I've tuned 3 or 4 cars using unleashed with no issue, and even had one of them retuned about a year after the initial tune for no charge, but this was a case of the car acting up with the tune, not a retune for adding new parts.

13 hours ago, Special_K said:

 

Hey OP!  SO short answer..... an aftermarket fmic will help primarily with charge temps and will help with keeping lower charge temps and thus more timing maintaining power and lowering quarter mile times (unknown amount).

 

But stock FMIC temps on a 0-130 MPH pull would start at 75F and end at a steamy 218F with 6 degrees of timing pull.  Ambient was 69F (ha).

 

Same day installed an ultimate performance intercooler did a 0-130 pull.  Started at 81F ending at 147F,  And 0 timing pull.  Ambient was 78F.

 

So yes it helps

 

Long answer:

 

To keep production costs down, oftentimes the OEM intercooler is fairly small. It will typically get the job done, but as soon as you start increasing boost pressure or adding bolt-on modifications, the OEM intercooler can hold you back.

 

Adding a larger intercooler without any tuning will not really add any power. The charge air temperature will be lower resulting in denser air, but the larger intercooler can add a slight amount of drag which can somewhat negate any power gains.

 

The real magic of installing an aftermarket turbo intercooler is the ability to run a more aggressive tune without running into detonation. A larger intercooler is also less susceptible to heat soaking, which means you can stay out on the drag strip or race track longer without losing power.

 

Do Intercoolers Add Horsepower?

To put it simply: no, a turbo intercooler will not really add any horsepower to your car. It does, however, give you much more wiggle room for a more aggressive tune without the risk of harming your engine.

 

It should be noted, however, that too large of an intercooler can actually do more harm than good. If you have an extremely massive intercooler, you will cause more turbocharger lag and more drag inside the whole system.

 

FAQs:

 

Will a Bigger Intercooler Increase Power? – Without proper tuning, an intercooler by itself won’t increase power by any substantial amount, because your OEM ECU tune may not increase boost or ignite timing when it sees safer charge air temperatures.

 

What Does an Intercooler Do? – The job of your intercooler is simple – cool the hot compressed air coming from your turbocharger before it enters your engine.

 

Will it Decrease Boost Pressure? – Depending on your application, the size of the turbocharger, and the size of the intercooler, it’s possible to see decreased boost pressure after installing an aftermarket intercooler.

 

Do I Need a Tune? – Technically, no you don’t need an aftermarket tune with an aftermarket intercooler for the majority of applications, however, we highly recommend installing an ECU tune or piggyback system to capitalize on your lower charge air temperatures.

Luckily you will almost never run into this problem as spatial constraints will force you to run an intercooler that typically isn’t too much larger than the factory unit.

This! This is the gold that people join forums for. This is an excellent reply.

13 minutes ago, onyxbfly said:

I don't think that anyone has subjectively measured just the FMIC, because most people usually do other mods in addition to the FMIC.  We have the same package/ options. I don't run E30.  I can't speak to what a typical improvement in regards to running E30. 

 

But I can say that without a doubt that your temps will come down and you will not suffer from heat soak unless under the most severe cases.  Which translates into more runs at the track for you without having to wait for her to cool down!

I could be wrong, but I believe the idea behind the FMIC isn't to add power, but to prevent the loss of power, which I believe you were alluding to.

This helps keep the intake air cooler, and in turn allows the engine to run more advanced timing than if you keep the stock intercooler and allow IAT's to go up when pushing hard or sitting still.

2 hours ago, Pascale007 said:

Thanks for the info. It had 28,700-ish when I changed it, so around 2k miles since. K&N part # 33-5000. Do you know how to perform a KAM reset on this vehicle? Thanks again. ?

Disconnect the battery for 30 minutes and reconnect

6 minutes ago, JMcDon1007 said:

Thanks everyone.  I reached out to Torrie at Unleashed and should have the HP Tuners device with a 93 octane tune delivered tomorrow.  So far, the service has been TOP notch and I’m glad to be working with Unleashed.  In a day when most customer service experiences are in the toilet, it was nice to get answers to all of my questions so quickly from Torrie.

 

I will update the thread once I get everything tuned and let you know how it runs.

I always though it was pretty amazing how quickly he responded to all of my purchases and even post purchase questions. Even a year after my first purchase he responded to a question I had within a couple of hours

On 4/16/2021 at 9:39 PM, Edge5280 said:

I have time slips and dragy readout, and a real daily driver vs postulations and perspectives. I always love car math and really appreciate where you are coming from. You want to beg to differ at the track or dyno I'm always up for it. I'm sure Livernois would listen to your input as they have different tunes for 91/e30 and 93/e30. 

I test the E85 monthly, always 70% and I'm confident I blend as close as the pump readout can offer. 3 gallons E 85(70) and 6 gallons 91 E10% = 9 gallons E30 with 91 octane. I use ethanol and octane calculators.  I'm not going to split hairs or equations on a family car, but I have pretty consistent results. There is humidity temperature, air pressure drag coefficients and whether I had a cup of coffee or eggs Benedict. I'll stand by E30 93 properly blended makes more power than E30 87. The octane of gasoline has a lesser effect than the other benefits of Ethanol that go far beyond just octane measurements. hp gains are typically better with E than gasoline with similar octane especially in boosted applications.  Still gasoline octane makes a measurable difference. 

So revisiting this, I recently filled up the edge with E85 and 87 octane because the gas station was out of 93. So to make up for the lower octane fuel, I added a gallon of E85 on top of what my calculations were to fill up the tank (I think it was supposed to be 9 gal E85 and 4 gal 87, so instead I did 10:3). Based on our conversation I assumed my vehicle would pull timing and be slower due to the decreased octane used, so my preconceived notions going into this was that it would "feel" slower. But it turns out the opposite was the case. The car felt faster and felt like it pulled harder. This is likely due to the increased ethanol content.

Does the octane of the fuel make a difference in how much timing advance there is in an ethanol tune? sure. But as the concentration of ethanol goes up, the octane of the fuel used to mix becomes more and more negligible.

If you're fine tuning a pure drag car, sure the octane is likely very important, but for an ethanol tuned DD, I find it hard to believe that fuel octane matters, at least on an E50 tune. Maybe and E30 the octane of the gasoline is a much bigger deal, but not so much on a powerful, but conservatively tuned E50 DD.

I could be wrong but I think he is referring to the ST-Line (2.0L turbo), not the ST (2.7 TT)

I have never used any of those tuners besides Unleashed, and I have nothing but good things to report as far as performance, drivabililty, and reliability, but that is not to say the other 3 are not worth your time or money. After the reading and research I have done, I would choose ZFG next if I couldn't have unleashed.

That's my 2 cents

There are very few tires in 265/40/21, so the choices are slim. I have never run anything other than the OEM Perelli verde, but I feel they leave a lot to be desired. The only other tire I have really considered is the Uniroyal Tiger Paw, because I need all season tires.

18 hours ago, d332y said:

The problem is, I have a toddler haha. My gf works crazy hours so I’m usually watching him. We don’t get much time together so I’d rather spend that time with them than trying to take this on ATM. Once he gets a little older then I’d like to involve him but right now he’s got the attention of a spastic puppy. Stuff that takes me an hour or less is no biggie but at least this time, I’m going to have a shop do it.

Hey man, I understand that. Gotta figure out what your time is worth, and if it's worth spending the money to get more time with the family, then I am 100% on board with that

If you have any mechanical inclination at all, spark plugs are very easy to replace yourself. I am a big guy with big hands and I did struggle a little to get the back side plugs, but with plenty of extensions and swivel sockets, it really wasn't a bad job. I cannot speak for the t-stat

2 hours ago, Edge5280 said:

Absolutely. Different tunes for 87,91,93

We only have 91 typically here but also 100 pump gas with 10% E. Terriblely expensive but I can blend it up with the 91 to hit higher octane #s. As suggested on the forum was to run a tune with somewhat higher octane and E content. That's the plan anyway E40 and 94+. I'm shooting for 12s at 5000' with nothing but a K&N filter and Tune, and everything  that comes with the car, spare tire, seats etc. A few 10ths away with the 91 e30 tune and lots of spin. I have a  much faster toy but this is my family hotrod. We'll see.

So from a purely chemical perspective, octane is an 8 carbon hydrocarbon and ethanol is a 2 carbon hydrocarbon with an alcohol component attached (an OH in place of an H). With that said, maybe the butchered government definition of octane is different, but octane ratings and ethanol content are not one in the same, but I could see how you can draw an equivalent octane cooling capacity and translate ethanol content to octane (hence the fact that E85 is the equivalent of 113 octane).

So, short of redefining octane, I do not agree with your statement, and if I am running an E50 tune, I expect to be able to run a combination of 87 octane fuel (with 10% ethanol content) mixed with E85 (85% ethanol content) to the appropriate mixture to get E50 fuel. However, I still mix 93 and E85, because I am not a chemist and I do not fully understand how it all works.

I'm frugal not stupid ?

I have long wondered, does the octane of the gasoline you use, matter when mixing for an ethanol blend?

For example, is there a difference in using 87 gas vs 93 gas (assuming both have an ethanol concentration of 10%) when mixing with E85 to create E30/E50 etc?

You also have to consider that there are several vehicles taken off of the assembly line every day that go for a long drive on the road (referred to as the 20 miles drive) or are sometimes driven by Ford management. Ford management is allowed to take cars off the assembly line to drive home and back to the plant the next day (must live within I believe 30 miles of the factory). And in turn they have to write up a report for any defects or issues they find. It's another layer of QC, which I believe is a good thing. Frankly I wouldn't worry about mileage until you get into several hundred miles. You don't know how many test drives these things go on, and I think they can still be sold new so long as there are less than 5000 miles on the odo.

I don't think you can mod anything as much as you can a mustang... except maybe a Jeep lol. I had a 2011 Mustang GT that I recently sold. Bought it brand new, but I drive my edge way more and I enjoy it almost as much.

No clue but I'm following along to see if you get answers

20 minutes ago, CM '17 Edge Sport said:

My car is 100% stock at the moment I'm wondering if I should get a ZFG tune or if there is another kind that is better. I'm also wondering can I run 90 or 87 octane fuel with one of these tunes? Thanks.

There are several good reviews for several tuners. At the end of the day, it comes down to where you want to spend your money and how much you want to spend. I have an Unleahsed 93 and E50 tune, both of which are incredible. Ask 10 different people with 10 different tuners and you'll get 10 different answer on which is best. I would tune for the highest gasoline octane readily available in your area, and if you're feeling squirrely, you could get and ethanol blend tune.

On 8/11/2020 at 2:44 AM, crocoyes8 said:

Fakes have been around a long time. Right out of tech school, I worked for a small shop. About every month, a man driving around in a van showed up and was selling counterfeit parts. Remember when the Ford ignition modules were the big aluminum boxes with different colored grommets? The ones that used to fail quite regularly? Yep, he had them. At a cheap, tempting price, I might add.
The boxes had the racing Ford GT40 on the side, Motorcraft in big letters on the box, but the modules themselves were nameless, generics. We stayed away from them.

 

4 minutes ago, isabellfour said:

Fakes have been around a long time. Right out of tech school, I worked for a small shop. About every month, a man driving around in a van showed up and was selling counterfeit parts.
 

Is this a troll post? Or am I missing something?

My 2015 also has screw in calipers. I just replaced the rear brakes on mine about 2 weeks ago.

21 minutes ago, niceonept said:

 

I would say it Sell-eek-uh.

So what are door cards in American English then?

Lol I have no idea, I've never heard of that one myself

I would love to see if that Sync 4 could be swapped into my 2015 Edge... Most likely not but it would be pretty cool. I'm dumb enough to upgrade my 2015 edge sport for the 2021 based on the Sync 4 and 7 speed trans alone. Those gauges are terrible though. Maybe you could actually swap the all digital Nautilus cluster into it.

Looks like the 2021 Edge is up on the build and price website.

Well I got a little lazy with my maintenance so I am making up for it now. I replaced the spark plugs around 105k miles (currently at 120k, bought it at 75k) but I have never replaced to PTU or RDU fluid. So I had to PTU and RDU both changed 2 days ago and I purchased a new paper air filter, cabin air filter, rear wipe blade, and brakes for all 4 wheels from Rockauto (still waiting for all of those to arrive). Rears are squeaking and the fronts are vibrating from warping. Also had my oil changed at it's normal interval.

I have not flushed the coolant or the trans fluid yet, but I need to look at doing both very soon.

12 hours ago, WWWPerfA_ZN0W said:

not asking anyone to take what i say on blind faith, but instead to give you an avenue of research to explore.  i have done my research, some time ago, just didn't want to get into debates over it.

 

yes, i talked with brian and heard his explanation.  yes, i tried it in our 2010 Fusion Sport and noticed the additional timing it gained (averaging 3 degrees).  have had a few SHO owners try it out as well, especially those in California who don't have 93 fuel. it works, as far as boosting "octane".

 

the cleaning part, i don't have anecdotal evidence to share, and i said so above.  you guys with boosted engines have vehicles to experiment on and report back, if you so choose.

After reading a little on the website, I am interested in this product for the lubricity properties. I'll have to do a little more research, because while it all seems great, I am also getting all of my info from the guy trying to sell me something.

Thanks for sharing