FordGuru

After talking with my Uncle who works for Ford and has the beta software, he said it really is no better off. He said although it looks better, it is just as bad function which is why they haven't released it yet. He said he can send me the file but not sure since I have navigation if it will work without the latest SD card (he is using that in his Explorer). Does anyone know if it will work correctly without the latest SD maps?

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when motor oil is used it turns dark almost black in color, so from the sounds of it, it could very well be this. Did you inspect around the oil drain plug?

there are only 3 fluids that it can be, oil, tranny, or power steering. most likely its oil and most likely coming from the drain plug. Ford uses an interference fit drain plug and is only good for so many uses. especially if you have a joe blow teenager changing your oil and he force fits the plug back on there. more than likely you're copper washer on the drain plug is worn out and the plug is ran all the way agains the pan allowing seepage

if you want to know if something is going to work, measure the inside diameter of the Edge MAF housing, and then measure the inside diameter of other MAF housing, they should be exactly the same, if not then its a no go.

i'm actually waiting on a 5.0 to come through the shop and be here long enough to pull the air box out and grab some measurements lol. we never see them in here however. thats a good thing though

heres the TSB

tsb11-05-16.pdf

Good idea, if the dealer I bought the car from wasn't an hour and a half away........ No one has any idea how this as attached??

make sure to get the bracket that fits your edge, hold it up to the front bumper so it fits flush, may take a few adjustments, using a straight pick or sharpie, mark the holes, drill them, put the bracket back up and line up the holes, and using a LARGE arm rivet gun run in two aluminum rivets. you can get the bracket and rivets from ANY Ford dealer.

I made a post in another topic about 22s and leaks. In canada Ford has a TSB out to replace any 22" wheels that are leaking, the leaks are due to corrosion around the beads. I had all four wheels replaced by Ford Canada. I can't see why the U.S wouldn't have a similar TSB or I would at least bring it to thier attention about Canadas woes.

whoa!!! putting the cart before the horse. Yes there is a TSB for the bead seat leak issue, and yes it can LEAD to having the affected rim replaced, BUT they have to break that rim down, clean the bead seat area on the rim and tire, then retest. if they cant get it seal they will go through the new prior approval process to get that rim replaced.

here's the TSB attached

tsb11-05-16.pdf

I appreciate your input too FordGuru and everyone else. I had the A/M filter on for 30 miles before I took it off. I have learned to seriously appreciate what Ford has put into the car. I love my Edge and tend to keep it for a very long time, keeping the insides as is.

anytime. and please dont think i was personally bashing you or making an attack on you. I assure you it was nothing of the sort. i tend to get spun up over vehicles and the aftermarket companies who use vague statements as selling points. with all of fords add-ons i can physically point to, explain at some length, and prove how a factory add-on will far outweigh and typically outlast anything you can get from the aftermarket.

while the aftermarket does offer several good products from very old, established, and reputable companies, ALOT of that stuff is hogwash.

glad you pulled that filter back off!

like i had mentioned, i'd like to see somebody adapt the CAI from an 11 or 12 5.0 mustang! the flow increase wont be as drastic as one of the "screen door" filters, the MAF calibration will be closer to your stock edge MAF, and its ford compatible

Does anyone know if the upcoming update will change anything on the left and right screens? (ie. font size for temperature since it will be missing from the center screen?)

 

Thanks

from my understanding there arent any updates to the IC screens

If your saying that there may be something I am not telling you, it would be that I had a local repair shop meet my wife where she was broke down and he brought his diagnostic tool reader and the codes showed a bad coil and some other codes he couldn't identify. Other than that, besides her being broke down 40 miles from any Ford dealership in a storm and the owner of the local shop happened to be a friend who came out after hours to help, there is nothing else to explain. Now if you were suggesting that the 2 dealerships I contacted are not telling the whole story with this particular problem, I cannot speak to that. I will however call Ford Motor Company tomorrow and tell them what happened and what I have done before contacting them as a last resort.

1-800-392-3673 Ford Customer Assistance

without having been to the nearest dealership, there is VERY little they can do for you. Regardless of reputation, tools, knowledge, or anything else the vehicle HAS to be diagnosed at a Ford dealership.

Not telling you not to call Ford, in fact i strongly encourage contacting Ford, ESPECIALLY, if you have a bad experience at any dealership. But if you have a repair issue please take it to a dealer before you call them. It'll save you a good half hour or longer

FordGuru...both of your above posts were very informative and enlightening! It may not be what some people want to hear, but it's what they need to hear.

thanks. i'm not trying to piss anyone off on here, but it really does pain me to see people destroy their vehicles. :-(

This all comes from experience as i've been working in Ford dealerships for a few years now and i can assure you i've seen just about everything there is to see in the way of people modifying their vehicles.

the sad part for me is that its a fact that while consumers aren't dumb, they don't have a good grasp on marketing terms and slogans when paired up with warranty guidelines. Example being, ALOT of aftermarket companies will swear to you, the consumer, that their product will not void your warranty in any way. but i challenge any of you to write or call your aftermarket part supplier and have them put in writing a statement that says "This product will NOT void or alter your manufacturers warranty."

And beleive me, i'll be the first to admit that i do have a diesel with a bullydog tuner, 4" turboback exhaust, and upgraded turbo. but my warranty has long since expired. On the other hand, however, highway diesel engines are EXTREMELY choked out by emissions. By making the few small modifications to my diesel i picked up over 145 whp and 375 wtq. For what little to no increase you will net by reprogramming your Edge (3.5 or 3.7) you might as well come to MY dealership and hand me your check book. you will accomplished the same thing.

just my .02

Just bring it to the dealership all they have to do is put the rivets in. If Ohio requires a front plate they should have done it for you at the dealership already. It takes no more then 10 mins.

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if you take it back to your purchasing dealership they should do it for free since your state law requires front and rear plates.

my question to all who have been denied coverage was DTC P035X present when your vehicle was scanned?

old topic, but i can answer any question you like about the service end of ESP. I deal with it EVERY SINGLE DAY! lol and my vehicles have active contracts as well.

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Hi everybody! I just bought my brand new 2012 Ford Edge Limited Saturday and I'm so excited! I've been wanting this car ever since I saw the first commercial with the Edge driving around on the skyscraper ledges :-) I'm a die-hard Ford fan and this is only my third car. My first was a'91 Ford Escort GT and my second was an'01 Ford Taurus that I am bequeathing to my teenage son (with 240,000 miles on it) :-) So I figured I could justify the expense since I'm able to keep my Fords so long <3

Absolutely every piece of advice is appreciated-this car is amazing!

woohooo! congrats!!! you're gonna love it! as a ford employee, MULTIPLE Ford owner (2010 Edge Limited Included)

i just want to point out that he did not just change the air filter, he swapped to a totally different air induction system. I would not think getting an air filter that is not ford/oem branded will be considered a modification. unless i am totally in left field with this logic.

i totally agree that speed mods should be done to vehicles engineered for it.

ok, i see what you are saying about a different system and yes you are correct that using an ordinary drop in like what our vehicles are manufactured for is not considered a mod...at least, as an advisor / tech i've never looked at it that way.

so, thank you for pointing that out! i guess if i'm gonna get all long and drawn out i'd better have my stuff together, lol.

i would like to say that i have seen a few of the napa, wix, and purolator drop ins fail. the ones in question didn't have a large enough sealing surface and caved in inside the filter housing. cant say they are all like that, but i can say i've seen a few hundred like that over the years. if they cave in like that EVERYTHING bypasses the filter, hits the MAF and straight into the throttle body.

and since its already too late to be in the friend making business for me, i might as well go ahead and say that while more air does enter the induction portion of the engine, it is WAY too hot to be beneficial. The colder the air coming in, the greater the performance gains.

You wanna mod your air intake and really see something impressive, retro fit the factory CAI from an 11 or 12 mustang 5.0. Factory filtering, cold air induction, performance gains that the PCM can compensate for without damaging long term or short term fuel trims!!!! FTW

not being negative about this, but can someone help me understand why you would want an aftermarket filter?

as the original poster has now learned the hard way, these engines are already pushing the envelope of performance on emissions legal programming. any change in A/F ratio is going to negatively impact the system as a whole.

Not to mention any dealer CAN deny working on your vehicle, and depending on if you have an attitude can submit a request to have your powertrain warranty voided based on system modifications.

just sayin....if your edge or edge sport doesn't have enough power for you that you have to risk ruining the engine, maybe you should have considered an SHO taurus, fusion sport, focus ST (when they come out) or even a mustang.

i know i'm gonna piss alot of people off with this, but i'm just saying this as somebody that works for a dealership and sees what you guys don't, which is the guy who put the aftermarket filter on and now has a check engine light and a throttle body whose plates look like they were put in a sandblaster. or even worse a 2011 edge sport with a rod through the side of the block with only 42k on it. upon further inspection, we found modified fuel tables via superchips, line pressures in the tranny that were FAR beyond the design strength, 5 injectors with blown pintles which were leaking fuel into the cylinders and causing a hydrolocking effect which is where the rod through the side of the engine came from.

don't think it can happen? PM me and i'll give you the contact info for the 2 unlucky guys that got to meet the engineers that came down personally to see how in the world an engine like the 3.5 and 3.7 could throw a rod or destroy a throttle body.

Both of these guys told me to pass their story on to help others out, and as i said in my introduction thats why i joined, to learn and help when i can.

So to confirm this, 1 and 4 are on the passenger's side and 3 and 6 on the driver's side?

 

I guess this means my misfire on 2 would be the one that is buried at the back not the easily accessible ones at the front. That figures.

 

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correct.

We had a similar situation with a General Motors product a few years ago.

Bought it new and It WOULD NOT tow (kept overheating) what the owners manual said!

 

We kept it 11 miserable MONTHS, traded for a differant manufactures crossover, preformed perfectly.

 

I highly recommend both of you do some Due Diligence (not the owners manual or manufactures brochures).

 

Then trade for a Honda CRV or a Jeep, DD for BOTH of these!!!.

 

We use a tow dolly behind our class A.

After much DD I traded our F250 for a Mini Cooper .

 

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see if your dealer has a VDR (vehicle data recorder or black box) and have them set it up to monitor speed signal PIDs. i.e wheel speed sensors, TSS, OSS, basically anything that relates back to a sensor that sends a signal or VRef to PCM. my theory is that there are circuits that are not "killed" by simply turning the key off, but we never notice them because you dont' drive your vehicle with the key off, lol.

what i think is happening is that while you are flat towing there are sensors sending signals due to the wheels moving thus draining the battery over several hours.

Can someone tell me the order of the cylinders on the 3.5L or point me to a diagram. I can't find any info on the internet.

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standing in front of the vehicle with hood up looking towards back of vehicle

1 2 3

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4 5 6

I just bought an 07 Edge which I love! However it does not have navigation it just has the bulk cd player. I am hoping to add in the navigation, my question is should I try and take it to a our dealer or can my husband (who has installed car sterios but this would be the first nav) do it himself? I'm not sure which would be our best bet.

 

Thanks Allie

hey allie, i have a nav unit for sale that is for your guys edge. if you're interested PM me on here and we can talk more about it. i can also get you a list of the other components you will need. My unit is from an 07 lincoln, and since i work for ford at a dealership i can reprogram it to be a ford unit for you.

do what you have to do...its a forum, not a paycheck

No need to get wound up over semantics. Let it go.

i can understand removing the more heated parts of my reply and no hard feelings on my end about that, but i wish you would have left the rest of my reply. It really erks me when people have an attitude and perception as skewed as his. i made no derrogatory comments toward his profession and yet i get slandered because i don't elaborate every single word for the .01% of people on this forum who thrive on their Napolean syndrome because they have "insider information" on design and production of single system on a vehicle that has more than 1,000 functioning systems.

i joined this forum for two reasons, 1.) to learn more 2.) to help others.

now, i've been on many forums in the past and i know that people like him are always present, but i suppose i get a sick thrill from a heated debate with the ones who feel superior because they have they know SOOO much about a single system....lol

sorry for the rant, but i put alot of thought into my previous reply...i apologize for the foul words, but not the basis of my response

Why would I do the upgrade myself? Because I want it done correctly! (capitalization not added as no additional emphasis needed)

 

Microsoft wrote the OS, BSquared/Ford wrote the app.

 

 

all we care about is doing everything we can to get it fixed for you and making sure you're happy, and doing that is always at a pretty big personal expense. Even though we may have your vehicle in excess of a couple of hours, we only get paid for about .7 hours of that.

all i'm trying to do is let you all know that if you don't want to fool with the update yourselves your dealer will do it free of charge.

why on earth would you do the upgrade yourself?!?!

Take it to the dealer! no matter what your milage it will be covered under warranty and no charge to you!

TAKE IT TO THE DEALER!