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Today, I will be doing my first oil change on my 2011 Edge. I will take some pics and make a DIY thread if anyone wants one. I will be using Mobil 1 5w-20 synthetic oil and a Motorcraft FL-500S oil filter, nothing special. However, I do recommend buying your drain plugs from the Ford dealership or OEM part supplier due to the drain plug having a rubber gasket attached to the plug which could stop sealing after it is removed. Therefore, i would not recommend trying the reuse the old drain plug more than twice.( I personally will just use a new one every oil change at 5k miles.)

Now your posts are just being idiotic. Furthermore, if my car gains a couple mpg after I installed the filter does it make sense for me to believe general information posted on the internet over what I see with my own two eyes. Again, your reasoning in your last post is idiotic at best and very immature in the least. You are not going to win this debate about the AFE Dry S filter giving better gas mileage or not, therefore you result to childish jokes to cover-up your lack of first-hand knowledge of how well the AFE filters works while hiding behind tests of other air filters and cars as your only support. When you try the Dry S filter yourself and get less or the same gas mileage as your OEM air filter, then I will take you seriously.

HAHA!! You have just proved my point. When immature people can not win an argument, they result to childish behavior. Again, buy a AFE filter and see for yourself if it works for you as well, you may be surprised. Note: How is my car different? Do you know anyone else who have used an AFE Dry S air filter in their Ford Edge that have stated that they do not have any mpg gains(without making up anybody) or better yet a group of individuals? If not, again how is my Edge different? Out of curiosity, how are you even a moderator? You are not very impartial or even moderate. How can you police anyone else behavior on this forum when you can not control your own negative and bias posts that slams a poster's opinion or observation because you believe them to be false or improbable? I hope you are better at doing your real job.

Because you can not. Can you post any scientific tests done on the AFE Dry S filter installed in a Ford car with the 3.5 V6 engine? No? Therefore, my "anecdotal" account of how the Dry S works in the Edge is the only reference available on this forum that I know of. Unless you want to perform a more accurate test yourself, which I suspect is not going to happen because you think you know so much about how well something will or will not work due to what you read. Like yourself, I love a good debate. Unlike yourself, I put things to the test for myself instead of just relying on "facts" determined by others. I will lay this to rest when you do. You can not put out a fire if you keep fueling it.

Yes, thankfully I bought a comprehensive warranty with zero deductible soon after buying the Edge through my bank since I got the car so cheap with low miles. We got a "good" deal on the Edge, however I am rethinking about buying cars from non-make specific dealers due to the surprises that always pop-up from these discount dealerships. If I did not buy the extended warranty I would be very very pissed about the situation since Ford's powertrain warranty do not help with the current issue, now I am just a little crossed and will not buy a car from that dealership again. Next used car I buy will be a Certified pre-owned. I got burned too many times with these cheap dealerships with cars that needed repairs that seemed like they were covered up instead of fixed before it was sold. FYI, my Edge had a very small leak that dripped slowly. I did not notice a leak on the black dealer parking lot, but it started to show on my light gray concrete garage floor after about a day or so. I decided to just keep the car due to the fact that I already paid for the extended warranty which will fix any problems in addition to the Ford powertrain warranty.

My leaks turns out to be from a faulty AC condenser/transmission cooler per Ford service shop tech. The Ford service tech said that the AC condenser and transmission cooler are the same unit or inseparable, therefore if one fails then both have to be replaced.

Today, I found out my newly acquired Edge has an AC condenser/ Tranny cooler leak from the Ford service guys. How common is it for the 2011 Edge or any year Edge to have this happen? The service guys said it is rare for the AC condenser/tranny cooler unit to fail. Even the extended warranty company is postponing the repair until Monday so an inspector can take a look to see if it really is the AC condenser since my car is only 4 years old and have only 22k miles on the engine. The extended warranty just paid for itself after a couple weeks of ownership since the Ford service guy told it is a $1K repair job to replace the AC condenser/Tranny cooler unit. And not surprisingly, the AC condenser is not cover by the Ford powertrain warranty.

To address the post about misinformation, My Edge makes 2 additional mpg with the new AFE filter, so I believe that the information about air filters you posted may not be 100% accurate across the board when it comes to the AFE Dry air filter in the 3.5 Edge. You keep posting about facts, but you have never even tried a Dry S filter in the Edge, so what facts are you referring to besides posted tests about different make of cars and filters? I am using the Dry S filter in the Edge, and the "facts" are that it gives my Edge slightly better gas mileage with a better throttle response. Feel free to buy a AFE Dry S filter, and disprove my stated gains by using your scientific method of testing unless it is limited to reading published test links on the web done by others.

LOL. I got some sticky pages in my edition of Sports Illustrated. Darn, I hate when that happens. Do not tell my wife.

LOL. Some Edge owners, like myself, here on this forum are "Edgy". However, some people on this forum seems to not like trying something new"or allow anyone else to do so without negativity" based on other people comments or tests; therefore they will not waste time reviewing a product themselves. But, I do understand that there are a lot of snake-oil products in the automotive market that just waste money, so some people should be leery of potential marketing scams or false claims.

LOL. I already posted that this thread will not be a "scientific" post. I am just curious about what other AWD Edge owners are getting mpg wise. I am not making any graphs or charts that require any perfect measurable data, just some readers to post what mpg that are noticing in their AWD Edges. I am satisfied with the results, so I agree that I should just accept the fact that the filter works well and call it a success. For the record, I can use whatever I want to compare whatever I want the way that I want, thank you very much. So please stop being so anal about this stuff.

Today, I got a chance to drive the Edge and checked the mpg meter. The Edge is now averaging about 20-21 in mixed driving. I got the mpg meter to average between 23-24mpg while driving at about 55 mph on the highway after a few miles and the mpg may go up some more if i drive a longer distance without stopping. However, the average mpg goes down to about 20-21 when accelerating uphill or stop-and-go situations around the city, and may get less if I get caught in heavy traffic congestion. Not bad for an AWD 3.5L V6 that use regular gas in the winter(today the temp. was in the 20's) . I guess the new filter is giving my Edge an extra 1-2 mpg, as well as great acceleration especially while passing on the highway. It feels as quick my Mercedes E350(while the E350 is in eco mode) when passing now in manual shift mode, before the AFE filter the Edge was still quick in manual shift mode but not as responsive as it is now. To be honest, I really do need some feed back from other AWD Edge owners about their current mpg to accurately say that the filter is really increasing my mileage. But going from what I was getting before, it seems like an improvement or at the very least a performance gain without a mpg penalty.

Thank you, I will.

Well ,they did admit to having some errors in their testing like the collapsing filters and using shop towels in place of powder or dirt as a air restricting source. So yes, the testing had flaws but ultimately proved their point about modern engine adaptability. However, if you want to use clinical testing as your only reason to not try a product it is your choice. I ,on the other hand, will just use the filter and see for myself it works or not. Why is that so hard for you to understand or comprehend? I DO NOT care about some test posted on the internet, and I will not let it stop me from trying a product myself. If my mpg meter states that I am averaging over 19 mpg during my wife's usual daily routes around town with the new filter, I will be happy. FYI, people used to believe the world was flat and had "scientific proof" that it was impossible to sail around it, until someone was actually brave enough to try to sail around it and disproved those theories. The same for the sound barrier, ancient fish still existing, etc. Smart people can be wrong sometimes.

I do not know about higher resolution camera being available, but you can change out the rear view bulbs for brighter led bulbs which will help with the grainy night rear view images. I change out all my cars review bulbs for bright led bulbs due to the fact that I hate grainy images at night on my screen. Very unsafe.

I like the fact that an owner have driven the 3.5 engine pass the 200k mile mark. This bit of information gives me more confident in my choice on trusting this engine.

Well, soon I will found out if my new filter will or will not give me any gains. If it does not, I will be the first to say that I wasted my $50. FYI, to be honest I never take much stock in published tests on the internet, unless it is about my particular engine or product. The best test in my opinion is to just try it yourself instead of reading and only relying on mostly flawed testing that may or may not be correctly administered. Just my take on things.

I want to post that my Edge was averaging between 17-19 mpg in mixed city/highway(depending on traffic) on the Edge's mpg meter before I changed my old air filter. I reset the Edge's mpg meter once the day I bought it a week ago, and 17-19 mpg was the average which goes up to about 22mpg while I drive on the highway, but goes down to 16mpg in the city during congestion . Today, after giving the ECU sometime to adjust to the new filter, I reset the mpg meter again. Now ,I will check to see over the course of a week if my Edge will gain any improvements in economy when my wife drives it around like she normally does around town. Before someone chimes in about it is not a proper scientific experiment, my posts are not supposed to be. Just honest "real world" observations about if the new air filter is giving any "real world" noticeable improvements to my Edge engine. If someone want charts and AF ratio graphs,you can buy a AFE Dry S filter and go Mr.Science all you like.

Wow, your Edge is averaging very good gas mileage. I would be happy if I can average 21-22 mpg mixed city/highway driving with my new AFE filter, before my filter change I was averaging only about 19 mpg mixed driving as of a few days ago. What was your mileage before using the K&N filter, if you can remember it with almost 300000 miles on the clock? I am guessing you mean 27000 miles?

Man. I get the feeling that you really do not believe in higher flowing air filters giving any additional fuel economy gains, but I believe they can on certain cars. It depend on the engine control programming, which is different among the different automakers. Some will adjust to changes better than others and in different ways. So nor you or me can just say that an air-filter will or will not work on a particular car until you actually try it. I have started using the AFE Dry S in my car, so I will be a better judge to how well it works more than you(even though you have a ton of theories on why it would not work). Now, if you really want to accurately judge the AFE Dry S filter ,just buy one and make a log of what your mpg is before and after the filter change. If you are not willing to do that, stop posting about something you really have not used by posting different results from different cars being tested on the web that are not the Ford 3.5 engine or the Dry S air filter. I am not trying to be nasty, just tired of reading negative posts from individuals who never really tested a product or its results. However, I understand that this is the internet so everyone will have an opinion, and I respect yours.

Very good information, but it does not prove that high performance air filters do not increase fuel economy, only that modern engines adapt to dirty air filters to maintain AFR(which may severely kill horsepower in the process and possibly damage the engine in the long-term). Therefore, you will still have to change your dirty air filter. In fact, the research gives me the impression that the modern engine will adapt to the additional air flow and improve the engine fuel economy slightly by adjust the engine parameters the same way it adjust it for lack of airflow.

Man. This debate about high flowing air filters is as old as cars have been modified. I will respect your take on it, because we will be going back and fourth about engine efficiency and MAF sensors till our fingers hurt from typing. However, I stand firm to what I believe no matter how many examples of diaper in the air box tests and opinions you post about. To me the performance air filters work and I believe my cars have showed so improvement by using them. Nuff said.

To be honest, just my experience from using performance air filters in the past whereas I noticed that my cars picked up additional mpgs from a filter change, even on newer cars that had relatively clean OEM filters(if I did not floor the gas pedal trying to test the acceleration). My theory to why is that performance filters allows air to freely enter the engine with less restriction than higher filtrating OEM air filters which allows the engine to work easier to maintain speed with out needing additional input from the throttle to maintain engine combustion. I know you may be thinking that if high flowing air filters give better gas mileage than why aren't the automakers using them stock on every car. My opinion to why automakers do not use high flowing air filters on their complete line-up is because the high flowing filters allows more dirt to pass through the filter media that could cause premature engine damage depending on the performance filter used, and most importantly cost(good filtrating high flowing filters costs at the least twice as much as a paper filter), which add up quickly when you are buying millions of them. Remember, high flowing performance filters can be obtained from most automakers for their high performance car models for an additional cost with the promise of better engine performance and increase economy developed by their performance divisions. Example: TRD, Mopar, Nismo,etc. The best example I can use is how air filters work in a AC blower unit, in which higher filtrating filters(Merv 13 or higher) product less air flow through the ac vents compared to a less filtering filter(Merv 6 or lower). The OEM paper is the best at filtering engine air at the cost of the engine losing efficiency while saving the automaker money, in comparison performance filters allows the engine to operate more efficiently at the expense of more dirty air entering the engine as a result. Like anything in life there are trade-offs to be made, so you will not find an air filter that will be great at doing both jobs of filtering the air and being efficient as well. Like all season tires on a car, which will never beat out dedicated summer or winter tires. Please note that any gains from a non-force induction engine will not be too noticeable, maybe 1-2 horsepower gain to the wheels(5-10hp at the crank) and maybe a few extra mpgs. But every little gain is something. Here is a performance air filter from the Ford Motor Company performance division, and it is oiled. http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=24354

No offense, but I just replace the oil or dry performance filters after about three years of use. They only cost about 50 dollars, so I just replace the filters instead of possibly over-oiling the K&n air filters. And I will just change out the Dry S filter in about three years for a fresh one. But each it own.