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... unless the attacks are aimed at anyone other than akirby.or made by akirby.

See posts 27 & 28 just above...

I am totally speculating here, haven't seen the heated vs non-heated steering wheel. But I do have some knowledge and experience with production and engineering and I can say it's possible that all 2015+ Edges probably have the same (heat capable) wheel..The cost to embed the wire in the wheel for heating is peanuts, far less than the cost to produce two different wheels. I think. That said there are other,bigger issues including the wiring harness and programming as Nick mentioned. That may be costly or impossible to change: the wiring harness is integral and would require ripping out most of the interior and other bits to replace with the necessary harness. And you would be correct in pointing out that the cost of producing two different wiring harnesses (one little connector and 18" of wire) probably also exceeds the cost of simply using the same harness. But these days the word would get out, a simple panel pull and plug-in, a re-flash and you have the option for next to nothing that everyone else paid hundreds for. That's the reason you can't just activate the steering wheel heat with a simple hack: the company makes more money on the options than the do on the base vehicle.

Yer most welcome... and remember what my daddy always said: free advice is worth what you pay for it! I should add that the 5 hour install was facilitated by the fact that I had use of a buddy's garage on a Sunday (pro shop, full lift) and the assistance (well no, I was actually the assistant) of said buddy. A professional mechanic of some serious skill. If I had to do this on my own with the vehicle on jack stands it would add a few hours. Maybe double. I have done this (suspension replacement) before on two other vehicles, the Edge was not as difficult as the Audi but a lot more work than the Miata. But in any case, totally worth it.

It did not "appear" that I was saying the lifting is done by the pinch weld edge, I was absolutely saying that is the case. The lifting is completely and only by the lower edge of the pinch weld seam. The jack pad does NOT contact any part of the body other than the edge of the pinch weld seam. You are 100% wrong with respect to the 2015+ Ford Edge and the factory supplied jack.

My exasperation came from the fact that I clearly stated in the second post in this thread that 1: I have the actual vehicle and jack and physically, first-person examined the pinch weld and jack recently whereas you are arguing about it and actually have not put hands on a 2016 Edge and jack and 2; I described another vehicle which I own that has a jack that supports the body next to the pinch weld whereas the Edge does not. I did not IMPLY that the jack lifts solely by the pinch weld, i stated outright and unequivocally the jack lifts solely by the edge of the pinch weld. And it does. For reference from my first post: "So I used the supplied jack for the tire/rim changeover ( I think winter is done :-P) and noted that unlike my Audi where the jack fits over the pinch weld but actually rests on the frame rail just inboard of the pinch weld the Edge jack actually rests on and lifts from the pinch weld itself. The jack has a recess to locate the pinch weld but the recess is very shallow." Now I present a photo of the jack wherein it's freaking clear that the recess in the jack pad is very shallow (as stated previously) and therefore freking obvious that unless the Edge pinch weld seam is less than 1/4" in height (and it is not, it's about an inch) that no part of the illustrated jack pad is going to contact any part of the vehicle excepting the edge of the pinch weld. And once again: I have actually used this jack to lift my 2016 Edge and seen up front and close that the only lifting is done by the pinch weld. Period. Obviously there was some confusion with the generation we were speaking about at the outset. I assumed everyone knew/understood that the original poster was asking about the new. CD4 generation that I also own as his sig shows 2016 as his Edge model year. You either assumed that the new generation had the same jack/lift system as your 2011 or simply didn't pay attention to the year of the original poster's Edge. Coincidentally, the 2005 Honda Element that my Edge replaced had the same type of jack pad and also lifted solely by the edge of the pinch weld. My 02 Miata has the identical jack pad as your 2011 Edge jack and it fits loosely around the pinch weld to lift using the body surfaces immediately adjacent to both sides of the pinch weld. I say loosely in comparison to another car i own: the 2004 Audi A4 which has a jack pad that fits very snugly (it actually seats as you lift the vehicle, it's hard to push all the way on manually) and lifts by the body surface only on the inboard side (which is a clearly reinforced bulge). In the case of the Audi the jack is often referred to as the "widow-maker" because it's important and not easy to get the pad seated properly as well as having the jack on level ground. If not then the pinch weld folds and the car falls. many cases over many years on Audi forums. So there are multiple variations on the pinch weld seam and screw-jack lifting system over many years. And there are definitely systems such as the 2nd gen Edge and Honda Element where the lifting is done solely by the lower, horizontal edge of the pinch weld seam. And calling anyone an a$$hole on a discussion forum says more about you than me.

Well Duane, I was somewhat exasperated but certainly not throwing personal insults. I'm a complete a$$hole? Right. So here's a wake-up for you. Original poster has a 2016 Edge as do I. It's built by Ford. You have a 2011 built mostly by Mazda. You have a jack to fit your Mazda Edge and I know this because I have a Mazda Miata and it's jack looks just like yours. For those of us with a new generation Edge which is a completely different vehicle including different pinch weld body seams we have a different jack and it looks like this: Cheers, Kevin

As Ray Heath pointed out earlier this is probably the wrong part of the forum for this ongoing discussion but it's the most current, linear for the issue so here goes: Got my H&R springs in. I don't own a smart phone and didn't have a digital camera handy so no pics. Rear was a POC, front not too bad but one side requires removal of a cowl to access top of the strut. Total install about 5 hours. AM job with no beers. Beers and strut compressors are a bad mix IME. Look is pretty much as per Nick's photoshop job above and I'm pleased with that. But the big surprise is... I took it out and wrung it on a twisty road and what an improvement. Part of the reason I bought the Edge Sport (as opposed to the Explorer or other SUV/CUV) was the great handling. I have a Miata from Hell (slammed, supercharged, methanol burning monster) and didn't want something else to rattle my teeth out of my head. So the compliance and smoothness of the original suspension was pretty good for me: comfort with no sloppiness. The H&R springs reduce body roll but sacrifice little if any of the compliance and comfort. It's more performance without any real deterioration in comfort. I swear the road noise, cracks and splits are no different, no louder. You can have your cake and eat it, too. Highly recommended.

Read what I said: the OEM jack in the spare tire compartment has no such deep, slotted recess and lifts the vehicle solely and completely by the edge of the pinch weld. THE EDGE OF THE PINCH WELD, not the sides or the body anywhere around. There is probably a reason that Ford engineered the provided jack in this way, it is possible that trying to lift in any other manner will cause damage. If it was safe or necessary to lift by using the body surfaces on either side of the pinch weld Ford would have provided a jack that did just that. Ford did not. Have any of you actually had the jack that came with the vehicle out of the compartment? Sheeesh.

I don't think you want to put any weight on the body surrounding the pinch welds. Do yourself a favour and take the jack out of the spare tire compartment and take a good look: the jack is designed to lift using only the edge of the pinch weld, nothing else.

I have limited, tight shelter at the moment so I've not been able to get close-up with the undercarriage and scope out the lift points. So I used the supplied jack for the tire/rim changeover ( I think winter is done :-P) and noted that unlike my Audi where the jack fits over the pinch weld but actually rests on the frame rail just inboard of the pinch weld the Edge jack actually rests on and lifts from the pinch weld itself. The jack has a recess to locate the pinch weld but the recess is very shallow. I think therefore that a regular hockey puck on the hydraulic jack pad to prevent any slipping would suffice for lifting at the designated pinch weld points. I wouldn't cut a slot in the puck, I've seen that cause the puck to split when loaded.

First thing you need to know: neither Ford nor Mazda nor PIAA actually manufacture wipers. They all brand wipers they have manufactured to their specific parameters by one of the big guys in that business. Not that that tells you anything about what works better. But do you actually think Harley Davidson contributes anything to the HD Edition F150? Ford simply pays HD for the right to slap the stickers on it and passes along that cost (with a healthy mark-up) on to the brand-whores who think it's something special. Welcome to the world of branding (you couldn't bury me in Tommy Hilfiger or Ralph Lauren). That said, Bosche makes what they sell and I have extensive experience with the IKON. Worth every penny, out performs every other blade I've had in the last decade. And the Kootenay is probably the worst torture ground for blades. I change every spring, winters are the worst part of the wear cycle.

Thanks for this. I can't see a buyer not taking the suspension as is. I just spent a few minutes comparing the parts (illustrations and part #'s) and I can't figure the difference between the Edge Sport and Fusion/MKZ suspension. Well, rear anyway. Any idea what prevents the AirLift Fusion/MKZ fitting the Edge?

Yes, I said exactly that 4 posts above... what I want to know is what Nick Halstead is referring to about a Vaccar set-up that is half the price of an AirLift set-up.

Details? Buy from who, where? I see nothing on either of Vaccar's websites...

According to a dealer here in the PNW the AirLift Performance front and rears for the MKZ/Fusion AWD will fit the Gen2 Edge Sport. as they all share the CD4 platform and multilink rear. I am likely going this route as it's the best of both worlds: I can ride low for the summer and press a button to get OE ride height for the winter. Downside is near $3000 for the struts and V2 control as well as the loss of a spare to install the reservoir. A lot more than springs but infinitely more versatile.

And will up your fuel consumption by 15% not to mention that the smaller tire will look lost in the wheel well.

So how does one manually clean the intake valves? Doesn't that require cam and//or head removal?