Burgundy17

I don't trust Ford's Intelligent Oil life Monitor because I am leery of automation as it is. No Reminder has popped up. By changing oil every 5000 miles I don't expect it to. I would rather change the oil on my own rather then wait for the Edge to remind me. I don't track hours because I don't write a target hour on tape attached to dashboard to know when the hours are reached. The dealer places a nice sticky on the window with the mileage when next oil change is due. I sometimes play with the trip meters and the hours would get screwed up anyway even if I did have the tape. I will think about sending in an oil sample for testing if the problem shows up again. Thanks for the suggestion. Also thanks for the TSB heads up on the 1.5 gen. That would definitely be something to talk to the dealer about. The engine is nice and quite now with new oil and filter. I guess it is possible something was just loose.

Yes I am using Motorcraft oil and filter at each oil change. Once I am past the powertrain warranty I will consider other oils. I do 12,000 miles a year and use the Edge in a well rounded manner. It is not all the time idling or wot or all stop and go city driving. I also do not tow. I did see a survey once that showed a lot of owners still follow the 3000 mile schedule. I can understand owners in the sited circumstances would do that. I want to know if any other owners under normal use have found it helpful to follow the 3000 mile change guideline.

I have been changing my oil in the Edge and the previous Focus every 5000 miles. This seemed to be the recommendation of the owners manual and the dealer. I am changing my mind and am now going to change the oil every 3000 miles like I use to do. Has anyone else made this change to their maintenance schedule? I just find it easier to keep track of miles instead of hours like they do with planes. In my Focus I used regular Motorcraft oil. I use the Quick Lane at the dealership. I like them to have the maintenance records because then they can not try to weasel out of warranty coverage if I need it by claiming improper maintenance. At 60,000 miles the engine on the Focus was beginning to get noisy like engines do when they have a lot of miles on them. I wondered at that time if I should be doing 3000 mile oil changes. Maybe the 5000 miles guideline was more for sales inducement then optimum maintenance. For the Edge I began using FULL synthetic Motorcraft. The car runs quietly but around 4000 miles post change it begins to get noisier. I have a 3.5 engine and I have just changed the oil at 15,000 miles. Just prior to the last oil change I had an intermittent tapping sound that seemed to occur in first 30 minutes of driving the Edge. Because It was intermittent I could not reliably demonstrate it. I changed the oil, still using full synthetic, and the engine now runs quiet from startup and there is no tapping. At service I heard speculation to the cause of the tapping as loose leaves under the hood to full synthetic oil making the engine work harder and throwing off the timing of the fuel injectors. This tapping reminded me of the sound of valve lifters. But I have heard that sound around 50,000 miles on previous engines ( using regular oil ). I never did anything about it and the engines lasted until I traded in the vehicle at 12+ years and 150,000+ miles. So I don't think it is a real serious problem but surprised if this is showing up on an engine so young. So does anyone think this tapping noise was valves? fuel injectors? leaves? Can full synthetic oil be TOO efficient and cause an engine to work TOO hard? The owners manual calls FULL synthetic an alternate oil. Could semisynthetic be the preferred oil? I think increasing the frequency of my oil changes will help. Maybe 5000 miles is too optimistic an interval. I am trying to make the water pump last as long as possible and am using full synthetic to help to that end. I am thinking of changing the coolant every 2 years or 30,000 miles.

Two different articles I read said Ford is working on a hybrid for the F150, Escape, Explorer, Ecosport, and Mustang. There was NO mention of Ford working on a hybrid Edge. Is Ford going to drop the Edge and not redesign it when this gen gets up in years? Will the Edge be replaced by the Bronco? Will the new unannounced SUV they are planning be a mashup of the Fusion and the Edge? Maybe that will be the Fusion Active. Recently the news said there will be no more Ford Focus at all in North America. For the Focus the very sporty RS trim came at the end of this current gen to keep up the excitement. Maybe the Edge ST being released now is a sign the end is near.

Great to hear the Edge is working out well for you and your mom. You are really putting your '17 through its paces. Is your mom's Edge a 2.0 also? What year? I like reading the words "trouble free".

How many miles have you driven your Edge with a 3.5 engine? This inquiry includes folks driving with the original engine or a replacement engine.

How many miles have folks driven their 2.7 Ecoboost?

How many miles have 2.0 EcoBoost owners put on their vehicles?

I like my 2017 SEL. The radio sounds fine to me. It is okay if the seats do not fold completely flat if that mean they are more padded and more comfortable for my back seat passengers. I don't have any squeaking, rattling, or buzzing after 10,000 miles. I think it is a very smooth driving and quiet car. I only have the rear camera (no front camera) and it works great. If Ford does not offer an aftermarket kit for one what about another manufacturer? My husband added a non Toyota rear camera to our older Camry. Sorry to be contrary to everyone. Your experience is your experience. But I wanted to express my experience too. Overall I think the 2017 is a very nice vehicle. Of course it is getting long in its current cycle and the bugs are being worked out. The only thing I would change Is the floor rim when you step in. I think it is unnecessarily high and someone could trip on it. Our Ford Windstar had a level floor where it met the door. No rim to step over.

The owner's manual for 2017 Ford Edge says this under scheduled maintenance for coolant - Initial replacement at 6 years or 100,000 miles, then 3 years or 5000 miles All Edge's are lumped together into the same bucket. There is no distinction between those with external water pumps which are the eco boost engines and those with internal water pumps which are the 3.5 or 3.7 NA (naturally aspirated) engines. Do external and internal water pumps have the same failure rates? It seems like they would have different failure rates due to their placement and therefore need different schedules. For increased compliance reasons I can see Ford only recommending one schedule to keep things simple. By accommodating the needs of the more problematic water pump it takes care of the other one too. Is that what is happening here? I understand coolant becomes more acidic with time and use. Acid can attack seals and cause loss of coolant. I can understand the first part, change at 6 years or 100,000 miles. It is the second part that is hard to understand. 99% of people will drive more than 5000 miles before 3 years are up. If you use a conservative figure of 10,000 miles / year that means after the initial change the owner has to change the coolant twice a year. For a higher use driver of 15,000 miles that means three times a year. So for 6 years no coolant change and then afterwards change the coolant 2 or 3 times a year no matter what engine you have. Have I got that right? The car has become so acidic from deterioration of parts after 6 years the coolant must be changed 2 or 3 times a year. Excuse me but as a manufacturer I would think that is a big problem. But as a business strategist I would think great idea! We sell more cars. Maybe the published scheduled maintenance guidelines are totally off base and do not reflect the real world. But 3.5 engine Edge owners need some reliable help here. I have been reading a lot of stories about catastrophic engine failure due to leaking water pumps on 3.5 engines. Are Ford's official guidelines the best advice out there? Are the unofficial guidelines I got from my Ford service department of changing the fluid every 30,000 miles just leading me down the garden path? At 130,000 miles or 150,000 miles I may experience engine failure due to the water pump anyway? Before I purchased my Edge I worried the 2.0 engine would not hold up and it would fail around the 150,000 mile mark. Maybe my fears were misplaced and both engines will fail around the same time.

Maybe Ford detuned the 2nd gen 3.5L Edge to make the 2.0L Edge more desirable? It's pushing adoption of the eco boost engines. Otherwise why would the 2nd gen be less lively? I know what you mean though. My Edge is slow to pull away from stop signs and the steering feels slow. We kept our 2002 Ford Windstar as a work vehicle. It has the same weight but a 3.8L V6 and hydraulic steering. It is just more pleasing to drive. That is sad when your 16 year old minivan has a better drive. It's quicker from a stop and on turns. Why downgrade the customers experience? I know, all in the name of mpg. But my Windstar gets 17/24 and my Edge gets 17/26. A whole 2 miles more on the highway which is 20% of my driving. Sigh. My Edge is not a rust bucket like the Windstar and it has the new tech which I love. My Windstar has 190,000 miles. Waiting to see if the eco boost engines can put up those kind of miles. Everything has pluses and minuses. But please Ford remember the customer's driving experience.

ROFL

So the Fusion and the MKZ are not built as robustly as the Edge and MKX ? Good to know we have a sturdier vehicle.

I mean MKZ. I am getting my alphabet scrambled. End of the day. Glad Lincoln is going to actual names again. LOL

My bad. I did not read closely. They are recalling Fusions and since our Edge shares a lot with the Fusion I thought it the recall would effect the upgraded Edge twin - the Lincoln MKX. Good to know our Edge does not share THAT problem with the Fusion.

Sorry. They recalled MKC

Can someone explain why the MKX recall over steering does not effect the Edge?

Why is the Edge different from the MKX? Why would the Edge steering NOT become disconnected.

Maybe when you special order a new car you can choose among all the seats the car manufacturer installs. People special order for all sorts of things.

Upon further thought I realized the seat bottoms in your Titanium are a different shape from the seat bottoms in my SEL. At the time of purchase I took a test ride in the Titanium and thought the bottom seat bolsters were more intrusive. It was one reason I went with the SEL. I still think the seat heater will soften up the foam over time. However the seat bottom shape may still prove unacceptable. I do not know if it is possible, but if the seat shape is really unacceptable maybe you can put SEL seat bottoms in the Titanium (if not the whole seat). May be the seat heating and cooling mechanism can be repositioned in the new bottom. The foam can be recovered in perforated leather by Katskins. This is not an ideal solution. But if you like the car and want to keep it maybe this proposal can help you. Comfortable seats are hugely important to owner satisfaction. I have often thought different seat choices beyond the coverings should be a customer selectable option within the same trim line. We are all different shapes. Unfortunately none of the car manufacturers think so.

This is just a suggestion that I think helped me. Every time you are in the Edge turn the seat heater on. Even if it is not that cold outside just leave it on the lowest setting. Over time, and this may mean a few months, I think the foam softens up from the heat and conforms to your body better. When I first got my car I thought the bolsters were hard. Now they do not seem as hard.

From my reading it seems Ford is still using Takata air bags. They are using the ammonium nitrate propellant desiccated inflators. The present large recall involving many makers deals with non desiccated inflators. Takata has been ordered to stop producing any inflators that use ammonium nitrate by the end of 2018. Takata has until the end of 2019 to prove the safety of the desiccated inflators. If the desiccated inflators are unsafe it will have to recall all of those too. I have not heard any results on the long term safety of the desiccated inflators. All Takata will say is it is testing them. Does anyone have any additional information they have learned? The recall of earlier produced 2016 and 2017 Edges was over the Takata air bag NOT inflating. Did the ammonium nitrate propellant not work? If the airbag does not inflate do the seat belts work? When I asked about the Takata airbags at the time I bought my car I was told by Service that if it was determined the Takata airbags were a problem they would be replaced at Ford's expense. If Takata was no longer in business at some point in the future to supply replacements Ford would contract with other airbag manufacturers to provide you an airbag. I don't know what to make of all this. There have been no instances of rupture with ammonium nitrate desiccated inflators. As to the safety of these inflators time will tell. Does anyone have any speculation on the safety of these inflators and what are you basing that on?

I forgot to add I choose the Front Wheel Drive because I did not want all the problems with the PTU on the Four Wheel or All Wheel Drive. Again I was looking for a reliable vehicle. So far I have not regretted only having Front Wheel Drive. Only once did the front wheels slip pulling away from a stop sign on a snow covered road. That is okay. I look on that as a signal to slow down. All Wheel Drive does not stop any better then Front Wheel Drive on snow. Only slowing down during snowy conditions helps that. I also wanted to avoid the automatic engine shutdown feature upon stopping (aka start stop). I don't think it saves that much gas. I think it would be annoying to always push the button to disable it upon starting. Finally it just adds complexity. It is one more feature to break down and cause problems. I am happy without the AWD and without Start Stop.

These are my owner impressions after six months and 5000 miles in front wheel drive 3.5L V6 normally aspirated North American engine with NO start stop and it comes with a six speed transmission. I wanted a powerful, safe, comfortable, reliable vehicle. I got all three. It does not feel as quick around town as the 2.0 but I never feel a lack of power. You can not go fast anyway in town. Out on the highway above 65 mph there is plenty of power. Passing is no problem. My gas mileage Combined has been 20 as forecast by the EPA but that is to be expected. It has top of the line crash test ratings which is very reassuring. I do have the blind spot/ cross traffic alert option which I HIGHLY recommend. The back corners are huge blind spots and really hard to see around. The drive is VERY quiet and smooth. Well done Ford. When I first got it I thought the seats were hard and the bolsters uncomfortable. That impression has changed to now I think it is one of the most comfortable cars I have had. In my opinion the heated seats are a large reason for this transformation. I think over time the heat has softened the foam to mold to my body shape. I have also found the right position for my seat. It took FOREVER to find the right seat back angle, seat height, front seat edge tilt, and distance to the pedals. Now that I found it, it's perfect! The lumbar hits me in just the right place and I feel I could drive for hours. My only regret is I don't have the titanium with seat memory in case somebody else messes with the settings. So if you just got your car and are uncomfortable don't despair. Give it time and keep adjusting it for the perfect fit. My dark colored Edge shows more dirt more quickly then the light colored car I came from. At first I was unhappy but i got use to it. I still love the Burgundy color. I just wash it more. I have a sealant on it and I use automatic car washes. Hand washing takes too much time. I only use the automatic when it really needs it or I need to wash road salt off the under carriage. Life is too short to obsess about appearance. In regard to options I love the Sync 3. It works perfectly. I like the display and colors. It is very logical and natural looking. The navi works perfectly. Sure the maps need to be updated but all makers with in dash navi need this. The update will come. So far the lack of it has not been a problem. I don't use Apple Carplay or Android Auto apps on Sync. The Apple or Android is then in charge of your phone instead of Sync. I don't like that. I like how Sync will read your text messages to you while you are driving. I have Ford Pass on my phone but so far I have not used it for anything. The heated steering wheel which I love on my fingers can only be turned on via the Sync 3 screen. That is the only change I would make. I would give it an external hard button like the heated seats have. The standard Ford audio in the SEL sounds fine to me. I do not miss having the Sony in the Titanium. I don't use Spotify or Pandora in the Sync 3 so I can't speak to that but you can load them on. I have the panoramic roof. It really makes the vehicle seem more bright, less closed in. I usually don't open the roof to outside air because I think its too noisy when driving. I do open it if I am parked and the day is hot. I do have the option where you wave your foot under the rear bumper and the tailgate automatically opens. So far I have used that option a grand total of once. Also once I inadvertently moved my foot under it while loading groceries in the back and the tailgate came down on me. Not cool. For me that is an option I would skip next time. It is not worth it to me. Like I said the drive is very quiet and smooth. The only exception I have found is driving on the interstate where parallel longitudinal grooves have been created on the roadway surface to serve as rain gutters. The Edge has large wide tires. Sometimes it catches the grooves just right so you feel the vehicle being involuntarily shifted to the left or right. It is disconcerting but has not been a control problem so far. The best explanation I have found is tramlining. The Michelin tires on the Edge are excellently rated. I don't think it is a tire problem other then the tires are too wide for the application of grooves in the roadway. No grooves, no problem. As far as reliability goes I have had NO problems. I know it is still early but I expect the vehicle to be very reliable. I picked the 3.5 because it is a time tested solid engine. I am unsure of the reliability of the 2.0 with the turboboost over the long haul with many miles and years. I plan to get around the problem of the internal water pump in the 3.5 by frequent synthetic oil changes every 5000 miles and frequent Motorcraft coolant flushes every 30,000 miles. From my research the transmission in the 3.5 is the same one Ford uses in the Explorer which has been reliable. The transmission in the 2.0 is the same one they put in the Escape and it has had some problems. The six speed transmission is proven. The 9 speed transmission they will put in the 2019 is new. It is unknown how good it will be. Some car makers have had problems with transmissions when there are more then 6 speeds. Time will tell. I did not want a continuously variable transmission. When things go wrong with that you have to replace the whole transmission. You can't fix it. So far I am very pleased with the vehicle. Like I said earlier it is powerful, safe, comfortable, and reliable. I would recommend it to anybody. If the gas mileage is very important to you get the 2.0. I was concerned that whatever savings I did have would be eaten up by replacing a turbo down the line.

Ford can make a good product. It just seems to be a roll of the dice. If you are unlucky enough maybe poor initial engineering and poor quality parts make for the perfect storm. We have a 2002 Ford Windstar with 190,000 miles. Original engine and transmission. Runs good. Has its idiosyncrasies. Power drivers window sometimes only goes partially up. Have to bang on the door to get it to go up all the way. LOL Anyway the Windstar has a bad reputation but it has been good to us. All recalls preformed. Biggest expense for us was replacing the lower control arms and some suspension parts at 170,000 miles. Our good luck with the Windstar is why we kept buying Fords. Rust now is taking its toll. I don't know how much longer we can keep driving it.