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David Dewhurst

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About David Dewhurst

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    U.S. Great Lakes
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    2019 Ford Edge SE
  1. David Dewhurst

    NO paddle shifters on the 2019 Edge FWD... WHAT??

    akirby, my expectations with non adaptive cruise control are, set speed and Edge maintains said speed on horizontal road surface, uphill road surface and downhill road surface. Waving By emoji
  2. David Dewhurst

    NO paddle shifters on the 2019 Edge FWD... WHAT??

    Waldo, do you really believe the drivel you write. Waving By emoji
  3. David Dewhurst

    NO paddle shifters on the 2019 Edge FWD... WHAT??

    Waldo, this would be the information, you say is not within the Ford Edge owners manual. Must be you didn't read the previously posted information from the Ford Edge owners manual as per below. Using Adaptive Cruise Control (Scroll down to Hilly Conditions) http://www.fordservicecontent.com/Ford_Content/vdirsnet/OwnerManual/Home/Content?bookCode=O41026&countryCode=USA&languageCode=en&marketCode=US&viewTech=IE&chapterTitleSelected=G1676149&subTitleSelected=G2011260&topicHRef=G2011261&div=f&variantid=6275&vFilteringEnabled=False&userMarket=USA Waldo, to make your life simpler, posted below is an excerpt from the Ford Edge owners manual. Hilly Condition Usage You should select a lower gear when the system is active in situations such as prolonged downhill driving on steep grades, for example in mountainous areas. The system needs additional engine braking in these situations to reduce the load on the vehicle’s regular brake system to prevent it from overheating.
  4. David Dewhurst

    NO paddle shifters on the 2019 Edge FWD... WHAT??

    akirby, when you procure a car/SUV with non adaptive cruise control, what are your functional expectations of the non adaptive cruise control?
  5. David Dewhurst

    NO paddle shifters on the 2019 Edge FWD... WHAT??

    Crooner7, please come back, there's surly a generation gap within this thread. Moderator akirby, on a couple car road racing sites (I race a car) I belong to technical communications are ongoing without moderators interference. On this site when one challenges a members post nonsense the moderator steps in. If you or todd92 believe when Ford talks about brakes overheating their talking about servos overheating, it's FAKE NEWS.
  6. David Dewhurst

    NO paddle shifters on the 2019 Edge FWD... WHAT??

    As Harry said, "make my day". I'll duplicate my post as you did yours, please read and respond to the question I asked you. " todd92, I also challenge you to show me where the information I posted above from the Owners Manual indicates off-roading. "
  7. David Dewhurst

    NO paddle shifters on the 2019 Edge FWD... WHAT??

    Waldo, rather than page numbers from the Owners Manual I'll post address of the words from Owners Manual. Cruise Control/Principle of Operation http://www.fordservicecontent.com/Ford_Content/vdirsnet/OwnerManual/Home/Content?bookCode=O41026&countryCode=USA&languageCode=en&marketCode=US&viewTech=IE&chapterTitleSelected=G1676149&subTitleSelected=G1676150&topicHRef=G1448594&div=f&variantid=6275&vFilteringEnabled=False&userMarket=USA Using Cruise Control (non Adaptive Cruise Control) http://www.fordservicecontent.com/Ford_Content/vdirsnet/OwnerManual/Home/Content?bookCode=O41026&countryCode=USA&languageCode=en&marketCode=US&viewTech=IE&chapterTitleSelected=G1676149&subTitleSelected=G1953076&topicHRef=G1949135&div=f&variantid=6275&vFilteringEnabled=False&userMarket=USA Using Adaptive Cruise Control (Scroll down to Hilly Conditions) http://www.fordservicecontent.com/Ford_Content/vdirsnet/OwnerManual/Home/Content?bookCode=O41026&countryCode=USA&languageCode=en&marketCode=US&viewTech=IE&chapterTitleSelected=G1676149&subTitleSelected=G2011260&topicHRef=G2011261&div=f&variantid=6275&vFilteringEnabled=False&userMarket=USA My SAFETY issue is, if when using Adaptive Cruise Control, the suggestion is to downshift to a lower gear (engine braking) when traveling downhill in mountainous conditions to keep from overheating the brake system (Some of us know this means overheating the brakes is a SAFETY issue and so does Ford Motor Company), why does the same condition not exist for the non Adaptive Cruise Control. With the non Adaptive Cruise control the same suggestion is made to shift to a lower gear (engine braking), EXCEPT there is no lower gear to shift to. Point being Adaptive Cruise Control or non Adaptive Cruise Control, in mountainous conditions without downshifting (engine braking) the brake system will overheat. For the benefit of todd92 my 2013 Ford Edge SE with non Adaptive Cruise Control downshifted using engine braking in mountainous conditions. todd92, I also challenge you to show me where the information I posted above from the Owners Manual indicates off-roading.
  8. David Dewhurst

    NO paddle shifters on the 2019 Edge FWD... WHAT??

    Perblue, this post is not to argue, it's only looking at real facts. If you read my posts from the get-go, you'd have a better understanding of what my reference is. The Ford Owners Manual clearly indicates under Edge SelectShift/paddleShift to down shift in hilly/mountains conditions because the brake system will overheat (read between the lines, SAFETY issue). The Ford Owners Manual clearly indicates under Edge non SelectShift/PaddleShift to down shift in hilly/mountains conditions. First there is no way/place to down shift. Second they do not pass on the warning that the brake system will over heat (same SAFETY issue).
  9. David Dewhurst

    NO paddle shifters on the 2019 Edge FWD... WHAT??

    Crooner7, what were your exact words during your communication with NHTSA? My next communication will be with Ford by phone (not customer service) and written. From my sad Ford customer service phone feedback I'll use the number of William Clay Ford 313-322-3000 and wford@ford.com. It likely will be sidetracked, but do expert someone better than Ford customer service. When this contacting Ford fails to obtain a valid customer response which I expect, I'll then contact NHTSA therefore I'd like to know your exact words communicated with HNSTA. To site readers I really could care less if it's 1 vehicle in 1 million with the issue or if it's 50% of 1 million with the issue. I'm totally aware of actuarial risk analysis.
  10. David Dewhurst

    NO paddle shifters on the 2019 Edge FWD... WHAT??

    akirby, sorry, suggesting upgrading to a costlier model is Ford Motor Company type thinking. omar302, my 2013 2L 6 speed EcoBoost downshifted and engine braked very well. My 2019 2L 8 speed EcoBoost does not downshift, but if it did it also would engine brake very well. On the other end of the spectrum if Ford can for the 2109 use various inputs to program up shift on hills/mountains (functions very well), they can do the same for downshifting. omar302, when you say the 2019 2L EcoBoost will not engine brake if the downshift cruise control was programmed, you'd also be saying the 2019 2L EcoBoost with paddle shift/SelectShift would not engine brake. How much sense does that make when in the owners manual for the Select Shift models one is told in hilly/mountain conditions to downshift to prevent the brake system from overheating".
  11. David Dewhurst

    NO paddle shifters on the 2019 Edge FWD... WHAT??

    Not to start an argument folks, but voting with your wallet is just like attempting vote a politician out of office, good luck. The expectation of customers is that cruise control uphill or downhill will keep the vehicle speed constant within a mile or so per hour. Nothing happens to the offending company or the politician. From my experience the 2013 6 speed/cruise control downshifted gears and engine braked. Can any of your explain why a 2019 8 speed/cruise control can't be programmed to do the same downshift engine braking? Other than Ford is forcing the issue on folks to upgrade to their Select Shift option. Had I know the 2019 wouldn't downshift like the 2013, I'd have never bought the car. I'v already talked to my MI GM engineer daughter-in-law about buying a GM SUV. Special discount for a rival car company person switching to a GM vehicle. But, that's really not the route I'm ready to take.
  12. David Dewhurst

    NO paddle shifters on the 2019 Edge FWD... WHAT??

    Crooner7, let me/us know what NHTSA has to say. I don't quite know what I'm doing next. Maybe a letter to Mr. William Clay Ford because he flat out stated March 15, 2018, "Our goal is to become the worlds most trusted mobility company."
  13. David Dewhurst

    NO paddle shifters on the 2019 Edge FWD... WHAT??

    Crooner7, I took the liberty of shortening your post to points I'd like to refer to. What response did you receive from NHTSA? I on city, country, expressway I always use cruise control. I owned a 2013 Edge SE with normal cruise control, no paddle shift/SelectShift with a 6 speed transmission. Mid April I took delivery of a 2019 Edge SE with normal cruise control, no paddle shift/SelectShift with an 8 speed transmission. On a specific hill when traveling down hill at cruise set at 30 mph the 2013 Edge would downshift two gears keeping the speed at set speed of 30 mph to maybe 1 mph over set speed. The 2019 Edge on same hill with cruise set at 30 mph will gain speed to 38 mph by time bottom of hill. On a lesser grade hill the 2013 set at 25 mph will keep the speed to set speed of 25 mph. With the 2019 on the same lesser grad hill with the set speed at 25 mph will gain speed to 28 mph. I agree 100% this is not what a customer expects, it is a safety issue and is cheapening the 2019 Edge SE FWD model. The owners manual specifies, cruise control lets you maintain a set speed without keeping your foot on the accelerator pedal You can use cruise control when your vehicle speed is greater than 20 mph. The owners manual also under normal cruise control specifies when in cruise traveling downhill and set speed is exceeded to downshift, surprise with normal cruise control there is no downshift. The owners manual with cruise control and paddle shift/Select Shift specifies when in cruise traveling downhill and set speed is exceeded to downshift, which one may do with paddle shift/Select shift otherwise the brake system will overheat. We all know when the brakes system overheats it's a safety issue. Crooner7, the two dealerships suggesting the car is not meant for mountains and is meant for flatland is pure dealership gold drivel to cover their and Ford's butt. I'm 78 years old and have bought 8 new Fords. I've talked to the Tech Service man 2 times, talked to the Service Manager three times and yesterday communicated with the dealer General Manager. Both the Service Manager and the General Manager have talked to Ford about the cruise control issue. In a general sense the response from Ford is to that's the way the SE without paddle shifters/SelectShift functions.
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