CrackedDSM

Gotta love these cars.  I honestly think sticky summer tires are a must at the same time as any kind of decent performance tune for these vehicles, because my 245 tiger paws on the E30 tune just makes launching a chore.  Either too little and it's 0-60 in the 4.9-5.2 range, or it just does a burnout.  

But, I love me a good black Edge for sure.  Hate it when spring comes and it gets "painted" yellow by the overzealous trees and plants. 

These look incredible, especially the Carbon!  I missed out on all of this because of life happening and becoming an EMT, and moving...but what are the prices?  If possible, can I get a price including shipping to 27357?  For both carbon and non.  

I've been gone for awhile, but what an awesome thing to come back to!  Soon as this is complete I'll throw in an order for it.  Maybe it'll work out that when I'm done moving and everything that I can order both the cowl and this intake at one time!  Awesome that you took my advice. ?

You can’t claim dibs on every form of custom airbox, so with all due respect to those two, they’d honestly either have to understand or just be mad. You’re not doin it on purpose. Plus they still haven’t released it for sale. 

Just make your own design, and don’t purposefully copy their stuff. I don’t see the problem. A bird in the hand, and all that. The joys of capitalism is if his product is better whenever it may be released, the market will gravitate there. Plus if you made it right you could market it to the fusion sport guys. Win win. 

9 hours ago, todd92 said:

Shift points etc change the way the car feels but don't add any power.

Might not add power but they absolutely make a difference in performance. Shift your vehicle even 500rpm too soon and measure the difference in performance you get. It’s significant. 

Those X5M's are no joke.  Especially tuned.  I like how fast the Euro vehicles can be, but my god are they a nightmare to work on, maintain, and god forbid fix if something goes wrong.  

The whole VANOS thing is legendarily notorious, and that's just the start.  Love to ride in or rent them, but would never own one. Lol. 

We already talked on the tune thread, but figured I'd post here incase anyone new reads your question and wants the answer.

Mandatory Stuff that I can recall

1) Change the PTU(power transfer unit, used to be called a transfer case in older vehicles) fluid immediately if you don't know when it's last been changed.  If it's very, very metallic/dirty, replace the fluid in 3000 miles again.  I honestly plan on changing my PTU fluid every other oil change, but others suggest every 30,000 miles.  The PTU is the weak link here.  

2) The ABS system in these vehicle is semi-stupid.  One wheel sensor going out, one dirty sensor, one dirty PLUG in the system will disable not only the ABS, but the traction control, stability control, park assist, lane keeping assist, and damn near every single feature that has to do with driving.  If it's a rear sensor that's out, it'll disable AWD too.  So I'd keep an eye on those wheel speed sensors and connectors if any of these things suddenly happen to you.  

3) Only the front windows will roll down if you click the unlock button twice and hold it down.  They will not roll back up either via the lock button, you have to roll them up via the switches inside.  

Can't think of anything else, I'm sure someone else will correct me or add to this as needed, but the PTU fluid is 100% a necessity.  Super important for longevity as these PTU's can be finicky.  

16 minutes ago, ShaunG said:

That's awesome! I'd be happy with a sub 5 sec 0-60. That's enough to runn away from most cars at a stop light! Very nice! 

It is super fun, honestly.  I have two DSMs that are both well under the 11 second mark, and every time I get in this edge I thoroughly enjoy it.  The tune made a world of difference and I couldn't be happier.  I'm having to stop myself from doing anything else because I am 100% confident I could get this heavy pig into the 11's, but then I'd have to buy ANOTHER daily driver, and I can't have anything boring, so I'd probably get an Explorer ST and then that needs an intercooler, E85 conversion, sticky tires, and an exhaust at minimum...and then history repeats itself. ?

It's gotta be one of my favorite vehicles ever.  Especially because it attracts NO attention from Johnny Law.  I don't even get a first glance, much less a second.  Completely go by unnoticed.  And it's still enough to surprise your average ecoboost mustang, V6 Camaro, older V8 mustangs, etc.  

7 minutes ago, ShaunG said:

Who's tune are you using? What type of 0-60 times? 

I'm on Livernois Motorsports E30 tune.  Back on their 93 tune my best 0-60 was 4.9 Seconds(4.7 with 1 ft rollout), but traction was an issue for sure.  With wider, stickier tires even on the heavy rims 4.7-4.6 would be 100% feasible and 12's no problem.  I caught a little bit of traction finally and ran 12.8's on the E30 tune, still spinning though.  On 93 I have no doubt 12.9's were in it as well, if I could've gotten traction.  

I would assume unleashed/any "custom" tune would be quicker for sure.  Livernois is relatively canned/one size fits all.  Still really, really happy with it though.  

On E30 I kept within a car of a base model C7 convertible corvette.  Not saying I beat him or even close, but keeping within a car, in a quiet, unassuming, stock looking SUV got me a major smile and thumbs up from the guy.  

SS of 0-60 run 

1 minute ago, ShaunG said:

That's what I've been hearing. I'm definitely going to start with 93 and see how that goes. I also ordered a dragy so I'll have before and after for anyone interested in the unleashed tuning performance boosts

I'm very interested, especially if you go E50 tune after the 93 tune.  I love my Dragy for sure.  I'm the fastest edge in my region. ? 

Also, I use brew city boost's ethanol calculator, but there are a million different ones out there.  I like BCB's because it tells you the octane as well.  

For max power, nothing beats an E blend.  Nothing.  

For ease of use (just fill up and go, no need to test or worry about mixing), can't beat 93.  And the 93 tune will still be fast.  Still run 13.2's on an LMS 93 tune with traction being an issue. 

If you're gonna run an E blend of fuel, I would highly suggest getting an E85 tester, as E85 blends can vary wildly, and if you're tuned on the ragged edge and consistently running less E than you're tuned for, it can end up costing you an engine.  Plus it'll just run better with the proper blend.  

Also, tunes do a lot more than just change or advance the timing.  The air fuel ratio is adjusted, shift points, line pressure, etc.  It's a lot. 

On 11/9/2020 at 11:23 AM, Gregertech said:

 

Got the springs installed this weekend. I think it looks really good, (even with the snow tires) more street beast and less 4x4. Overall the install went good, the only issue was with the 21mm nut that holds the strut hat on. I had to find a way to hold the nut and turn the 10 mm on the shock. I ended up using a pair of needle nose vise grips. Thanks for all the info. I'm off to get an alignment done today.

That looks great.  I can't bring myself to do it because I'm like an old man and want comfort.  Lol.  But man that looks great. 

You may need to purchase another credit for HP Tuners if it's gonna be used for a different vehicle than the initial one.  That's a really good point though, still should be cheaper than LMS tune.  A credit and a tune itself from a company you already use should be nice and inexpensive.

While you're there, and if you have E85 in your area, ask for an E30-E50 tune too!  You'll thank yourself later. 

I've done more than a few FWD --> AWD swaps on DSMs, and let me tell you the only reason to do it, is if you have a massive personal attachment to the original car, or you cannot find a rust free AWD shell at all.  It requires about 10x than you would think.  You may even have to weld the rear subframe bolts and suspension may be entirely different.  If there's no spot for the rear diff, then you'll have to cut the rear floor pan out, and weld in one from the AWD vehicle.  Potentially brake lines, fuel lines are all different..etc.

And not to mention wiring, sensors, and everything else that may be different.  

I'd honestly just buy a clean AWD Edge, try to find one with a blown motor or something.  Try to 2.3 swap it at the same time.  Win-win.  

FWIW My livernois tune has been awesome, and their customer service for me was second to none.  No issues with their tune on my vehicle and so far I've put roughly 30,000 miles on it, 10,000 of which was the E30 tune(current tune).  As long as you are just a tune only, livernois is 100% fine.  Start messing with turbos and serious fueling mods, that's when your engine is at risk.  It's a canned tune.  Even the best tuners have freak accidents where everything is fine and the engine lets go or a HG pops.  If they say otherwise, they're 100% lying.  

I actually had the head of development/tuning from Livernois call me personally to help me out with uploading the tune and spent an hour just shooting the breeze with me.  Take that for what its worth. 

Congrats on the new Edge!  

1 minute ago, onyxbfly said:

 

You're to fast for us lay folks. 

 

Speak for yourself. ?

2 minutes ago, dolsen said:

Wait... Are you Adam? Or am I missing a joke?

I don't get it either. 

That's crazy.  I haven't had it go into limp mode, thank God, but I have had it pull power out, especially when in sport mode and going WOT/downshift. It only does it when it's fairly cool outside(below 50-40's). So strange how that happens. Honestly what I've forced myself to start doing is easily get on the gas in drive so it downshifts gently, or just use the paddles and downshift myself and then give it throttle progressively.  Helps a ton.

Hopefully it was just a fluke though! 

The one I’m referring to are the gas engine variant. It’s rated for like 3500-4000 or something ridiculous. 

Definitely easier liability wise just to tell people don’t do it though for sure. It can do it and do it reliably, doesn’t mean it’ll be easy or do it all for you like most trucks or etc will. I definitely getcha on that! 

I’d go unleashed too. If I was to get an MVPI-2 I’d just tune the edge myself. It’s like investing in an aem ems for a stock car and not tuning it yourself. Same results can be accomplished with the stock ecu and a programmer, and I don’t have to bother learning a new software and platform at the same time. ?

I love my LMS E30 tune but y’all almost have me convinced to try the unleashed e50 tune. I really would have traction issues then. Lol. 

So what are you thinking for a price on these? A clear one for example. 

10 minutes ago, Markham12 said:

 

This is very sound thinking. Next time I will just buy fast enough off the lot. Lesson learned. This is the first vehicle I have ever modified in my life so I guess I didn't realize all that could go wrong.

It’s a part of why I went with the edge. I cannot have a slow daily so I needed something with some boogie enough to keep me satisfied, but that wasn’t ridiculously priced or seriously unreliable(friends with Jeep SRTs and trackhawks have had nothing but problems and they’re expensive...) and if I get bored and need a fast car, I’ve got others.  

Lessons learned the hard way are what I try to share with others to prevent history repeating itself. I’ve modified my daily seriously and bought a slow daily and both resulted in the same thing. Heartbreak. The edge is honestly one of my favorite cars ever. Every time I drive it I remark how I love this thing. Lol. 

But honestly a foxbody, an older LS1 f-body, or if you can find a non abused clean dsm for a fair price(good luck) are all amazing cars to get to satisfy the go fast bug. All three will go 10’s reliably(key word reliably. You can throw nitrous on a stock junkyard block for pennies but it ain’t gonna last)for $5,000. Hell of a lot cheaper if you’re good at finding deals and have some luck!