TomCinMI

Good Lord, "100% false marketing"--in 34 seconds... Huh? Because the vehicle zoomed by the stationary camera ... and there is more of an engine note than a hybrid running on electric? And you continue to exaggerate similarity between the Edge Sport and Edge ST. Virtually all of the options which are in common between Titanium and Sport, and between Titanium and ST, have zilch to do with performance, so your point there is moot. I'm not even going to rattle off the several ST brand-specific aspects/"DNA" of Edge ST, beyond what Edge Sport features--because something tells me you know all of that.

EPA ratings are not based on a heavy foot--regardless of the type of vehicle or how it is billed. I'm glad I have two Fusion Hybrids in my past, which really helped tune both my driving techniques & driving awareness, e.g., an appreciation for feathering the accelerator while gliding uphill on an exit ramp; dropping the vehicle into "S" for engine braking when an exit ramp is downhill; etc., etc.; I find it all kind of a fun game--like discovering food which tastes great ... yet is also good for ya. Driving should be fun, and driving should be safe; the Edge ST, certainly with Co-Pilot360 Assist+, delivers lots of "all that". Also not shockingly, a non-thrashed powertrain resells relatively much better.

I'm not the Off Topic Police on forums, and you've not been off topic; however, I do try to return the discussion to one of my main focuses, which in this case is: Do these (Edge ST) paddle shifters, mated to this particular transmission, represent a significant, truly valid "hit"/rap by reviewers against the vehicle? My position is that they do not. First, I maintain what I previously said regarding paddle shifters while going down the typical open road, i.e., at least when not racing the SUV with a DCT which it doesn't have--basically that paddles are "meh"/blah on the highway/around town ... except as a sheer toy capable of jacking up the price point. Concerning up-mountain/down-mountain, do you contend that the ST's paddle-shifting in "S" isn't up to those situations? Because if you think that, shouldn't there be just about zero Edges sold in Colorado (not just ST's, since all Edges have paddles)?

Not all vehicles depreciate horribly, and certainly there are wide ranges of depreciation; just watch the difference in value lost between two hypothetical vehicles, both of essentially the same purchase price and both in Michigan: one of them a hybrid, and one of them a mid-size, 6-cylinder, AWD, American-based manufacturer, substantially union-made SUV with a modicum of towing capability; given the seasons and the predictable amount of snow in the Midwest, the disparity in value retention is close to night-and-day in that example. To basically claim that "depreciation is depreciation is depreciation" is not true; another glaring example would be if this Edge ST model which we're discussing continues to be pummeled with unfair reviews, what's going to happen to its resale will be a good 90-degrees from where it would stand after generally more fitting, deserved reviews. Regarding your other point, the difference in amount and quality of safety tech is currently enormous between vehicles 10 years apart; that's of major importance to many of us as concerns the well-being of our loved ones and other vehicle occupants; if someone can't afford the safety tech, of course that's another matter.

Correct, LOL, although you may well have gotten less than half that for pretty much any import here in Flint, MI... Trust me, in that sense, I sure as hell am conscious of value retention.

I will effectively repeat that I'm neither an engineer nor do I play one, on TV or off. I'll give you the benefit of any doubt, inc. on your caveats. From what I've read/viewed, suffice to say that there are significant downsides to DCT's--at least this side of a full-on racing application; might one of the downsides impact price point quite a bit? Perhaps I would better have adjusted my wording to: "All paddle shifters within certain targeted price points and most applications are jokes." Heck, you couldn't be more correct that you immediately have lost true manual shifting and working a clutch (neither of which I personally ever even needed to get over), plus a paddle system tends to override a driver's attempts at shifting if the attempts would be harmful to the trans (or are otherwise inadvisable?). Honestly I have a hard time seeing the point of paddles--maybe this side of racing on a closed track; many of us are more than happy letting an auto trans take that part of the equation off our plates. Regarding "Mainly useful for holding a lower gear when cornering or going down a mountain or forcing an early downshift before passing", sincerely I say, simply drop her from "D" to "S" and let the very intentionally programmed, adjusted shift schedules take care of about 99% of that stuff for ya. Life is short, and there are plenty of other places, good and bad, for our attention--especially given the average "attention" level of other drivers.

My take on the transmission hasn't been nearly that bad, especially considering the engineering justifications provided (although I don't pretend to be an engineer, either an ingenuous one or a disingenuous one) and the fact that I've been breaking in the transmission throughout the polar vortex. My main reason for quoting you is that, at least per the trip odometer's calc's, my combined city-hwy for the darn first 1,000 mi--during said polar vortex--was already dead-on the EPA of 21 ... and I happen to drive just about 50%-50% city-hwy. Not a lead foot, though. I have no interest in wracking up the vehicle, my driving record, myself or anyone else.

Resale value is far from everything for me, but I sure can justify seriously making it part of the mix. Anymore, I make my best judgement about what is likely to appeal in Michigan in 3-4 years, & a 6-cylinder, AWD midsize SUV w/ some plausible tow capability ain't a bad bet; regardless, we may as well touch a match to significant cash if we don't push back against false spin about this vehicle--and prod Ford to do the same, via any tweaks and/or public relations. Of course there are reviewers without ill intent and with scruples, yet I'm sure you realize that there are agendas/grudges out there and sure no shortage of incompetence/laziness/lack of due diligence in "reporting". I am not in agreement that the ST is "just ... a rebadged trim level"; there are several ST-specific elements which have been incorporated into the vehicle, and I don't feel that the marketing represents over-the-top promotion (not beyond what is normally expected), let alone false advertising. The Edge ST is very attractive, for many good reasons, plus the targeted demographic and price point "are things"--particular and understandable things. I won't let many of these reviewers off the hook easily, and stand by all of my pretty detailed post, above.

Thanks so much for the kind greetings, y'all! ?

Thanks much for this thread, vmaxbaby, since otherwise I would've had to start it. While there are many largely favorable YouTube reviews of the Edge ST, there are too many unfair reviews (generally so-called reviews), and here's the big rub: The out-of-kilter review stuff has to be quickly, effectively countered, or those of us who've made an informed, wise acquisition of this truly excellent-for-the buck vehicle are going to get hammered on value-retention; I'll suggest two key ways that that can be done, toward the end, below. Meanwhile, wanna know one source which recently updated their comprehensive, mostly glowing review of the 2019 Edge? That relative paragon of non-agenda-based reviews, Consumer Reports: https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/ford/edge/2019/overview/ Right, again CR directly evaluated the SEL trim, not the ST, but that does mean all features which are in common with the ST are covered, and CR makes several noteworthy references to the ST; so, as a starting point, this review is plenty fine, and here's one of the key takeaways: When I bought my ST in early November, evidently neither IIHS nor NHTSA had completed their testing of the 2019 model, since my window sticker doesn't provide those safety scores; CR indicates that the '19 Edge aces them, with the minimal exception of 4 stars on the rating for rollovers... Yes, I'm going to get to the raps (by which I'm honestly not impressed) against the transmission, the paddle shifters, and the augmented exhaust note, but I'm here, too, to stand up for all of the substantial value in this vehicle which often is mentioned only superficially--if at all--by sub-par reviewers. I am not overstating by saying that the Edge ST is excellent for its price point. I could not care less about the wah-wahing because of some, *gasp*, hard plastic in the center stack. Spare the mahogany and it's cost with it! That little bit of plastic contributes to fuel efficiency, keeps the price point down, and is cheap as well if there's a need to replace it. Also, if one uses a magnifying glass, he or she might be able to find some bit of fault with my fit and finish--or not. Co-Pilot360 rocks, even more so when upgraded to Co-Pilot360 Assist+! Back to the focus of this thread. Surprise! The Edge ST isn't a full-on race car! OMG, stop the presses! "But the engineers dare to call it an ST!" Yeah, they "dare" call it an Edge ST--not a Fiesta ST, not a Focus ST, nor a GT, nor any RS, nor a 'Stang, nor a Raptor... It's an Edge ST! It's a nicely sized, very practical, functional utility vehicle--with a lot of juice, certainly a lot of juice as SUV's go! And the targeted buyers/lessees also want a respectable degree of fuel efficiency. The balancing act is not easily finessed, not at all! But let's take a brief, fun intermission by watching Edge ST-review videos, two "Con" and three "Pro", with the final three each featuring a different Ford Performance/Edge ST project engineer. Then please come back here; please read what little I add beneath the YouTube links; and please comment. Con https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qup6s2caqRQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXesdp-EtEM Pro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEBbaO-3E_Y&t=372s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJF3MIJYMDI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7JMhC9b9uM&t=1612s As another, humble YouTube reviewer of the Edge ST said, he respected that the engineers probably know more than he knows. Interesting insight. To conclude this comment: (1) All paddle shifters are jokes--and going full manual in this vehicle would not have been a smart move, for the demographic targeted or given today's already intensely distracted drivers. (2) The "piped-in" engine note is in the ear of the beholder, and I don't dislike it, not just because I only use sport mode for engine braking (I like performance, but primarily for overtaking when necessary & for resale appeal). (3) The 8-speed is maligned way too much, especially if it has been allowed to warm up a little during this long, dark winter. How bad can the transmission be when it achieves 60 in 6 seconds and this 2-1/4-ton SUV tops out at 130? How the hell much is needed? The owner's manual tells us that the new trans goes through a period of adaptive learning before finding its groove. How many of these out-of-the-gate reviewers have driven broken-in transmissions? Like none? The engineers (see videos above), speak of shift-schedules specifically tuned to hold revs, etc., varying with driver inputs, inc. steering. "I'm not an engineer, but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night"? Maybe a software update to optimize, or not. All of us who know we've got a great overall vehicle in the Edge ST should e-mail Ford, with links to such threads as this, plus get on these threads to speak truth, and otherwise do all we can to set the record straight before we're saddled with heavy depreciation due to bogus & inept reviews.

Hello, fellow Edge drivers. For whatever reasons, I didn't get "off the ground" on this forum while I had my 2016 Edge, but following my recent buy of an Edge ST, I expect to be more of a participant here. I'll just copy-&-paste from the "About Me" part of my profile: Was raised in a GM family. Dad was a millwright & UAW member at Chevy V-8 Engine in Flint for 30 years. In part because of quality/safety issues with GM vehicles in recent decades, & because I became drawn to Ford hybrids (fascinated by the technology, I care about the environment, plus fuel prices were sky high), beginning with my 2012 Fusion Hybrid, I've found myself much appreciating a lot about Ford, including SYNC 3 and their emphasis on safety tech. Purchased the '12 Fusion Titanium Hybrid new, as well as a '14 Fusion Titanium Hybrid, a '16 Edge Titanium, & the current vehicle, a '19 Edge ST. I'm a Teamsters steward at the hospital where I'm a registered radiographer. Because unionism is essential to a large & vibrant working class, with disposable income to spend in the economy, buying union-made products is a high priority for me. I won't be removing the "Thank you" sticker on my windshield from Oakville Assembly--a badge of honor! To this day, I've loved my Fords! ?