TomCinMI

We can't thank you enough, @aphxtwinin!

I greatly appreciate this thread, @CCMAYES72, and the input of everyone, inc. @Mikula for the video. The TSB linked earlier, #17-0065, definitely speaks to a problem which has continued beyond the 2015-2017 range of the TSB, since my '19 Edge is affected. My dealer replaced the entire right-side underbody shield and its hardware last May, which is the first that I became aware of the issue, not having located this thread until a week ago--and there's been no recurrence of the problem on the right after 8 months. The rattling/fluttering from the left shield began more recently, and I'm going in tomorrow to have it replaced. The day the second shield was ordered, I made a point to ride along while the technician listened for the flapping along the driver's side; the service manager put this tech with me because he's dealt with the problem quite a lot, particularly on Escapes. After the noise was reproduced on the highway, I then took a look while the vehicle was lifted. The fastener beneath the rear floor had developed too much play in it. I did ask the tech about the foam rings/gaskets in the hardware kit which is linked on this thread, and he twice didn't specifically respond regarding the rings, but he did emphatically state that he's never had a customer return complaining of recurrence after the entire assembly has been replaced. Maybe there have been fairly recent improvements in the replacement product. The vehicle's under warranty--and any replacement parts/labor should be warranted for 12 months anyway; so I encourage @1004ron & anyone else to do what is my plan: Have the thing replaced on Ford's tab if the vehicle is no longer warranted but fewer than 12 months have passed since a previous replacement, which hopefully won't be necessary but certainly should get their attention financially. If I don't post again, the current replacements are continuing to hold up and/or I'm dead. ? Worst case scenario, I'll eventually pay someone a lift fee for applying the best possible version of the bent insulated-wire fix.

I'm at 10,700 miles, and my vehicle has required minimal time in the shop--never overnight. You quite clearly have been dealing with an exceptionally lame dealership, which is not the same thing as Ford overall. BTW, nice job of typing "transmission specialist" "with a straight face." ? I've had both TSB's for the PCM applied, have addressed the service notice about the adaptive headlamps, and tomorrow will be having the second of the two underbody shields and its hardware replaced to hopefully end the known issue of a flapping noise at higher speeds due to looseness; on that latter item, y'all may want to check the Forum's homepage a little later this afternoon, on the right side of the page under recent posts, since I'll be resurrecting the excellent thread about the underbody-shield problem and adding some worthwhile info. Other than those pretty easy-fix experiences with the ST--in large part thanks to helpfulness on this Forum--I've been very happy with the vehicle. Everything considered, Ford is a well above average manufacturer by today's standards, and everywhere in the industry are bad apples/jerks/duds in sales and service. I love a lot about Ford quality, despite the frustrations which we've experienced with these two transmissions; I really like their emphasis on tech, especially safety tech (+ safety overall), as well as infotainment, to include SYNC 3 and FordPass Having noticed the recent uptick in e-mailed notifications for this thread, I thought, huh, maybe a third tranny TSB has been issued, but evidently not. I've been keeping my powder dry since having the second TSB's flash done around Nov. 1, letting the adaptive learning do its thing before I chime in again. I have no current complaints. The shifting is now plenty smooth for me. Not having any flares/bucking or harsh engagements, although rarely I might perceive a slight clunk when transitioning from R to D, then I've asked myself, "Did you quite come to a full stop before putting it into D?" I'm not a paddle-shift guy, in part because we don't have mountains here; also I have other places to put my attention than on manually shifting, and paddle-shifting on this vehicle, at least before the TSB's came out, was largely reviewed as "not all that." Post-TSB's, though, and after the Michigan ice subsides, I'll do some toying with the paddles. I repeat that I'm happy with this vehicle, definitely all-in-all; it's fun to drive, looks great, and I'm keeping everything documented so I can make the best case at resale.

Gracias, @jamie1073!

Briefly off-topic, since the above was mentioned: Do you mean TSB 18-2378, dated 12-14-2018--which I've located via web search on NHTSA--about a "slosh noise" from the tank, mostly when it's over 3/4 full, & while driving at low speeds? The affected Edge model years are 2015-2019-- those with AWD--for the usual "some" vehicles.

Zactly. I bought the vehicle for several reasons, not inc. tire roasting, e.g. automatic braking, lane-centering with stop-&-go, attractiveness &, as far as the powertrain, giddyup for overtaking & any necessary evasive maneuvers. I love my vehicles & treat them with respect; works out great at resale. ?

That's good for the tires.

Please do so, whatever they say/do, thanks.

Thank you very much, @Perblue!

Congrats in advance, @vmaxbaby! And, in a nutshell, please, without my dragging this too far off topic: What adaptive headlight issue? (Regardless, there's pretty much always gonna be sumpin' in any model year.)

Sure 'nuf, baby. As I alluded to, above, had my PCM reprogram done the day after Easter, a little over 3 weeks now, & mine is going great. IOW, it's safe to come out from hiding & get your ST. ? Mine's plenty powerful!

Tossing in my experience to date: 559 miles since I've been letting the Fuelly app do the math; my usual approx. 50%-50% city-hwy is averaging 21.7 mpg for that distance. The owner's manual implies that engine break-in shouldn't be considered complete until 2,000 miles, so I reset one of the tripometers at that point & have averaged 21.2 on the computer--with a significant chunk of that last 1,949 miles being during the polar vortex. Also worth noting is that my 9 miles each way to work barely is enough to warm up the engine, so that's not very representative of highway driving. Spring & fall being best for fuel economy, here comes that effect. Having owned two Fusion hybrids prior to my two Edges, I've pretty much been "whipped into" economical driving, with the techniques & habits which that entails; having said that, if I'm running a little behind when leaving for work, I may go 78 with the Driver Assist stuff active, but then I"m inclined to take the nighttime return trip at 65. Seems that the EPA has been quite accurate for me. Only 87 octane so far, but I'll probably take the manual's clue to run 93 during summer's dog days. Always top-tier gas, generally Mobil, & I've converted over to Mobil 1 Annual Protection full synthetic.

Turns out that another aspect of this is that if the driver uses MyKey, as I do, Lane Keeping defaults to Alert only on each start-up.

Yeah, thanks to you & others, that's why I'm no longer concerned about a "winking" DRL on the Edge; it & the turn signal, on the 2019's, are very close together, & safety should be paramount.

I find the fact that the owner's manual makes no mention of the compatibility, or not, of the two systems to be an oversight by the company; if there was something against using them together, surely Ford should state it. I was "that close" to bouncing the question off of Ford Owner (& still am) when Sage started this thread, so I decided to exchange some thoughts here. As most, or all, of you realize, Lane Keeping doesn't activate until above 40 mph, after it's been turned on, & I'd prefer to just keep it on, so it stays ready to work when I get above 40 in a non-highway situation or while I'm accelerating between 40 & cruising speed upon entering the freeway. I saw a YouTube video about 10 days ago in which someone said that if Lane Centering isn't detecting one of the lines, then Lane Keeping will at least nudge the vehicle toward the center from the one discernible line, as a backup; I don't recall who posted that video, but I didn't give it huge credibility because I noted that the guy isn't an engineer. Turning Lane Keeping on & off--then on again & off again--depending on the circumstances, would get tedious, so as I said, naturally the preference would be to simply keep it on & let it supplement Lane Centering as I've described, provided there isn't a conflict. To reiterate, when both systems are on & I'm using Adaptive Cruise on the highway, my Lane Keeping only seems to vibrate the wheel weakly/unreliably (even with sensitivity set to high). And, so far, I've not noticed the Lane Keeping kicking in to nudge the Edge when Lane Centering temporarily isn't detecting a line; I'll try to keep in mind to put that to the test. Maybe I will end up configuring for vibrate-only on LK, although LK's steering torque could also be helpful if LC hiccups.

As complex as Edge stock steering wheels are, with all the functions linked to them, what steering wheel mod have you done?

Thanks in advance for returning to give us feedback.

Thank you a whole lot, too; as you may have noticed, omar302 also was kind enough to hook me up on that, & your additional detail is very appreciated. I'm plenty alright with scientific evidence-based whatever, so if the nature of human optics is that the degree of differentiation required by FMVSS Standard No. 108 is what's required for reasonable safety during daylight hours--given how distracted that drivers tend to be--I'm OK. What Audi has incorporated as shown in that .gif, though, sure seems adequately eye-catching, lol--if it doesn't adversely affect an onlooker similarly to looking directly at welding or the sun, ha! I read the Jalopnik article which omar302 linked. You don't happen to know when the law is expected to change?

Thank you so very much! ?

... I'll add again that I don't "ride the vehicle hard & hang it out to dry." I did gain a lot in fuel-efficient driving habits as a 2-time hybrid owner; those habits have become ingrained with me, e.g., looking well ahead, coasting, feathering the accelerator when I already have enough momentum, etc.--which, I repeat, is how the EPA evaluates.

Checking in, 6 days post the TSB's PCM reprogramming. Shifting has been much, much better, both in "D" & "S". The Edge still stays in the revs a bit long when in Sport & transitioning 2nd-3rd gears, which is in keeping with the engineers' stated intent to retain access to more torque while exiting a curve--yet that rev hang now is not abrupt/harsh. Adaptive learning may make things even better, & of course, fuel economy should be improved after the reprogram. BTW, since @jamie1073 again has mentioned his "crap fuel mileage": Both per my tripometer & Fuelly app's calc's, as someone who drives very close to 50%-50% city-hwy, I've continued to get nearly 22 mpg combined (exceeding that once), vs. the EPA's est. of 21--even though I broke in the vehicle starting on Nov. 2 & throughout the polar vortex. I'm gonna resurrect the ST fuel-economy thread to update with my numbers after the next fuel up.

That would be in keeping with how the system is billed to operate by Ford, as long as by "compensate" you mean that Lane Centering is trying to push the vehicle more toward the lane's center than is your steering input at the moment. Since you're someone else with a 2019 that has both systems, are you noticing any conflict between them when both are turned on while cruising? On those occasions, like me, have you found that the Lane Keeping seems to vibrate the wheel &/or nudge the steering less noticeably (or not at all) while Lane Centering is also on?

I thank both of you for the replies; at the same time, I'd appreciate knowing how you are so confident that that's the case.(?) I don't recall ever noticing a daytime running light being off when an oncoming vehicle, at an intersection, has a turn signal on. The '19 Edge's signature lights sure don't look any less bright at night, & if the rationale for having a signature light go off during the day is because having it on would distract from the turn signal, the same would be the case "in spades" at night, with both the signature light & headlight staying on while signaling. Just doesn't seem to add up.

And, as I referenced, Lane Keeping Assist also has different sensitivity settings through the instrument display, i.e., vibrating &/or nudging the driver relatively lightly, relatively firmly, or not at all. Now I hope that someone will be able to shed light on what I asked, above, about the interaction between Lane Keeping Assist & Lane Centering on 2019 vehicles with both features.

Thank you, @Sage, for this thread, although I'd respectfully suggest that you re-title it to something like "Lane Keeping Assist vs. Lane Centering", if the editing function allows, since this is about that specific Co-Pilot360 question. First, a disclaimer: I've actually read the owner's manual on both systems, a couple of times. Regarding Sage's question, I'm going to start focusing on "how centered my Lane Centering appears to be", then I'll comment on that here; up to now, I've told myself that possibly there's a degree of adaptive learning going on, & I'm not much of one to let loose of the wheel, lol. Now to a different, related matter: Prior to my 2019, my 2016 Edge had only one of those two features, the Lane Keeping Assist, which, as others have said, works when cruise control is off; I would say that it works "whether cruise is off or on", except that while Lane Keeping Assist would work either way on my 2016, I've found that if I'm using adaptive cruise on my 2019 with Lane Centering activated & Lane Keeping Assist turned on, the Lane Keeping Assist seems to only very weakly give me the steering wheel vibrations if I begin to drift out of a lane--if at all. So I'm wondering whether there's a conflict between Lane Centering & Lane Keeping Assist when they're both activated. The 2019 owner's manual doesn't say Lane Keeping Assist should only be turned on when not using cruise control + Lane Centering, yet to me, for both systems to be nudging the vehicle toward the center of the lane at the same time seems redundant, if it doesn't actually cause a conflict. Has anyone else noticed Lane Keeping Assist seeming to balk at giving steering-wheel vibrations/nudges--even when its sensitivity is set to high--while Lane Centering is also turned on?