TomCinMI

I've contacted Ford Owner with this 2019 Edge question which isn't answered by the owner's manual, & have been told that there doesn't seem to be a "known issue", so a dealership will need to run onboard diagnostics; but before my dealer tells me "No error code", I figure that I'll bounce this off of fellow owners. Recently something caught my eye as I was stopped at a light behind a clean pickup's tailgate, during daytime with my autolamps on: When I activate either of my turn signals, the corresponding "signature" daytime running light goes out, which to me looks about as weird as if a headlight were to go out when a turn signal is flipped on. Interestingly, when the knob for control of the exterior lights is moved from autolamps to "headlights on", or to "parking lamps only on", both of those settings illuminate the front signature lights, yet activating a turn signal then does not extinguish the same-side signature light. Any other '19 owners experiencing this? Thanks.

Curious: What other vehicle-monitoring apps do you use? And I'll be having the TSB done on Mon.

Sumpin' tells me that the manufacturer doesn't issue a TSB for it to be considered secondary/optional, particularly when one is experiencing the symptoms. Sounds like a goofy dealer.

... Relatedly, I Googled something else yesterday: "Ford service forum Edge ST transmission solenoid" (long-winded, yes), trying to dig up the service-forum thread which Fingernip's dealer told him mentions defective solenoids; after starting to become blurry-eyed while scrolling through the first five pages of search results, I noticed one for justanswer.com, where, for a $5 bill, I was told I could chat with an already-online Ford service tech; what the heck, 5 bucks, so I typed in the solenoid question, & within about a minute, a guy who claimed to be a retired Ford service manager came on, referencing the PCM-reprogram TSB before I even brought that up; he said that none of his searches of known online Ford service resources turned up anything about bad solenoids, either, inc. this one: https://www.fordinstallersupport.com/ That guy went on to say that the TSB should always be addressed first, & only if it doesn't provide satisfactory results would a dealer typically then test solenoids; that said, if Fingernip's dealer is able to shed light on the supposed thread about a solenoid issue, awesome.

As we await Fingernip's update, & any others, a few minutes ago I did a web search for "Ford 8F57 transmission", which returned links to the following two interesting articles/engineer-interview, the second linked within the first; there's some overlap between them, & some separate insights: https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2018/10/ford-talks-edge-st-strengths-and-weaknesses/ https://www.motortrend.com/news/interview-ford-performance-engineer-on-2019-ford-edge-st/ Those are back from October, yet I hadn't run across them until now, & the transmission is a main focus. BTW, in approx. a week I expect to get both the TSB addressed & an oil change with Mobil 1 Annual Protection full synthetic; FYI, the mobiloil.com site has a promo going for $12 off of a 5-quart jug from any one of several retailers; the dealer's good with my bringing the oil in.

Thanks. After checking out the paperwork, when you report further, please mention whether they did the TSB's PCM-reprogram or just the solenoid replacement. And was the dealer able to direct you to the service-forum thread about the solenoid fix, so our other dealers won't have to stumble around trying to find it?

Great. We sure will love hearing how that plays out. Please ask them where to locate the service-forum thread which mentions the solenoid fix, thanks; jamie1073 is interested in that, too. Seems like since the TSB should be valid, regardless, even if the solenoid helps, the PCM-reprogram should still be done.

Again, much thanks. You posted that 7 days ago, & I don't know how close the solenoids are to coming in, but when they do, if you would please ask where other dealers would be able to locate that particular service forum thread, that would be awesome. I hope that since then you've noticed the pic of the actual TSB for a PCM-reprogram which Sage was great about posting; apparently another fix for very similar issues.

We'll look forward to hearing your impressions afterward, please.

I took delivery on Nov. 2, "breaking in" (so to speak) all the way through the polar vortex until, finally, this break in the MI weather. While in "D", where I tend to keep the vehicle, & with my trans cold, it has tended to rev-hang/buck when going from 2nd to 3rd, & less so going from 1st to 2nd, but is otherwise very close to smooth; warming it up makes a big difference, with virtually no hang/hesitation anywhere through the gears. I've recently paid closer attention--with the stereo off. Also, when commenting on this stuff we do well to specify whether we were in "D" or "S", since in "S" the engineers intend for the trans to stay in the revs longer when in certain gears. I'm sure I'm sleep deprived, or something, but how do some of you know for sure whether you're transitioning from 7th gear to 8th? My shifts are barely discernible, if at all, above about 4th ... while in "D"; the current gear isn't shown in the display unless using the paddles.

@Sage, thank you so very much! ?

Yes, Fingernip, thank you, & please let us know anything additional you learn. Would be very helpful to be directed to the particular "ford dealer service forum community" thread, so our other dealers can go straight to it; would you please ask your service folks where to find the thread? From what another forum contributor here mentioned about a Power-train Control Module (PCM) update that showed up on a diagnostic scan of his/her vehicle, which that owner said has been helpful, there may very well be more than one trans tweak that's required.

It's not always the cheapest under the following, very possible scenario, not by a long shot, to quote myself from above: "... just one of these many safety features (say AEB or Evasive Steering Assist) only needs to kick in once to make the 2019 a complete bargain over a totaled 2010 Edge--let alone what happens to the latter's occupants; now there's some 'depreciation' for ya (called '2010-style depreciation, *BOOM*, big time')." With all the crazy &/or distracted drivers on the roads these days, erikrichard's contention that all he needs to do is remain alert is dangerous denial at best.

On top of the points which Fingernip & Sage have added in reply to you, ... You would respond to Jamie if you kept playing your one-note concert about depreciation vs. driving a very old, safety-deficient vehicle, but at least had some consistency; leasing doesn't automatically make any more sense than purchasing, & very well can make less sense, for the factual reasons I laid out. You've been light on facts & heavy on snark from the beginning. At this point, you obviously simply refuse to acknowledge that just one of these many safety features (say AEB or Evasive Steering Assist) only needs to kick in once to make the 2019 a complete bargain over a totaled 2010 Edge--let alone what happens to the latter's occupants; now there's some "depreciation" for ya (called "2010-style depreciation, *BOOM*, big time"). You just want to argue & put-down, but ought to allow the thread to get back to its original topic. Anything further you say on your pet issue will be met by silence from me.

I recommend that we all go to https://www.ford.com/help/contact/ ; voice our concerns; direct them to this forum discussion ( https://www.fordedgeforum.com/topic/26540-so-is-all-the-youtube-videos-true/ ); tell them we expect a response; and hold them to it. I'm about to do that.

Well, then expect a lot of "incoming" from erikrichard, because you've not only been "crazy enough" to acquire a new vehicle, but you've done so with zero equity & zero potential for retained value, if it keeps value relatively well. Leasing is no less of a crap shoot than buying, with lease payments based on guesstimated depreciation &, therefore, guesstimated residual value at end of lease. Naturally resale value is always a relative thing, relatively good or relatively bad, & factors which play into it can be weighed in advance, wisely or not so wisely. Main thing is where an owner plans to re-market. Here in southeast Michigan, ya better believe that a midsize SUV that's union-made by a U.S.-based manufacturer, with 6 cylinders, AWD & some towing capability (let alone all of the Edge's other features), will resell way better than lots of other rides. I, too, have the new-vehicle warranties--&, while I'd never think of buying a third-party extended warranty, if I chose to hang onto a vehicle, I'd certainly consider a negotiated Ford Protect manufacturer's extended warranty, since the price of those are marked up by a dealer just as are vehicles ... so they can be negotiated down; those warranties are also transferable. Your questions, "Who buys a mass produced Ford for resale value? Or most cars for that matter?" could just as easily be turned around: Who leases any car with the expectation that he/she will come out in relatively good shape at the end of the lease period? One plays this stuff relatively smart--or relatively not so smart. Your fuel economy/lack thereof, as another poster noted, is an outlier which needs to be addressed, as will be optimization of the trans. Again, my fuel economy is at least as billed by the EPA, especially since the ST is still breaking in. And on a nearby thread, one of us has said that there's already a Power-train Control Module update which is identified when a diagnostic scan is run, & which has much improved shifting.

My posts have been about numerous aspects of the discussion, and obviously the relationship between safety & performance is not an either/or thing; at least it has sure always been obvious to me.

You're the one who's extremely touchy, having started off with snarky. I, OTOH, have just been laying down facts; begin to handle them like a grownup, or not.

Uh, no. I've never claimed that ultra-uber-super-duper safety is the be-all & end-all with me. As a pretty comprehensive response to what you just said, read my reply to Nick Halstead, immediately above. And my profile describes, among other things, that I rule out non-union-made vehicles.

For starters, my being very familiar with the vehicle from owning the 2016; also because the 6-cylinder is better than the I-4 that I had for overtaking, as well as more attractive to a lot of people in resale; the availability of Co-Pilot360 Assist+, to inc. AEB; I was fine with what I could, & did, get in trade for the 2016 at that point (I did not at all roll over on what it was worth); &, since you bring up IIHS, at least largely the same structural vehicle had already been very well rated by both it & NHTSA. I may be wrong, but isn't the body of the 2019 in the aluminum alloy, which is tougher than the non-aluminum 2016? I've notice that the doors seem lighter to close & "land" with less of the solid "thunk" which Consumer Reports appreciated in '16. I believe you're the one who brought up, correctly, that there are often first-year woes in regard to new generations/heavy refreshes of a vehicle; I didn't view the 2019 as much of a concern in that regard, &, although the transmission needs the expected optimizing, I did, & still do, view this vehicle as retaining value well in Michigan. Just because a vehicle has a performance profile, that doesn't mean its first owner has to be someone inclined to flog/thrash it. Of course, safety & an appreciation for performance are not mutually exclusive. Why do racers wear helmets, harnesses, etc., etc., etc.? Why is a car person such as you even asking me essentially about safety vs. performance?

For me, it's just whatever is the truth.

Talk statistics to someone who's maimed for life in an accident. Can we just leave it at that and move on?

Thank you very much.

One thing which that equation leaves out is the value placed on life, which substantial differences in safety features (and IIHS + NHTSA ratings) represent; in that regard, I'm not being the least bit "silly". I don't merely "prefer" driving newer vehicles, nor does buying older ones necessarily save worthwhile money--after the money and time spent on maintenance/repairs.

Obviously you're not gonna--no matter how high the quantum leap in safety features after 3 years of warranty. And a "couple years" is 2, not 3, although 2 retains more value.