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I should have posted earlier but was trying to figure out how to seat the 9012 LED properly... then it got cold. Malard, my LED bulb goes in at aprox 3&9 then rotates and seats at 2&8. Thats how the original 9012 LL bulb goes in the housing; The connector faces up at 12 then rotates to the right to 2&8. The 13 headlight housing should be the same as the 11. I need some help here. What am I missing? In Canada here so I have the DRLs and in my case needed the Canbus adaptor. One LED would not fire without the Canbus in line. Don't know why. Yes, the color is great but as far as not throwing light further down the road I would have to look into that. They do appear to me more scattered as you suggest. XD support says that the LED light is more concentrated forward than immediately in front. Front light dispersion greatly improves with the LED at 3&9. WWWPerfA_ZN0W has an earlier explanation in this thread about light dispersion in the Fresnel lens that would apply here as well with the dimpled glass giving off a "wider (flood) beam spread". Anyway, the reason I went with the XD LED kit was that I wanted the Philips diode for one, and this kit was ~$120 + tax cheaper than the Pudco kit. My dealer recommended (or at least suggested) the Pudco LED at $265 + tax CDN. Comments from anyone that installed Pudco LED kit would be appreciated. They have different optics and I believe the diodes lock in seated at 12&6 by design. As a side-note, XD offered their HID extreme kit for an additional $50 because of the alignment problems I encountered, [also because I already had the Canbus].

Just noticed that your LMZ Platinum LED bulb has 4 diode chips per bulb -thats impressive. 2 LMZ diodes are rated at 2500 lumens so ya.. I can see them claiming 4500. Also, they're not using silica light tubes for dispersion.

Totally_Ripped.. Can you also update your experience with the Michelin swap?

Yes, canbus for DRL's is reccommended, at least for LMZ diodes.

Nice design on the bulb stem. That probably helps with light dispersion. I like the Philips Luxeon MZ diodes. Whats this about their note? "Not for use in low voltage high/low beam DRL applications." Perhaps a canbus is required in those cases?

Just to elaborate. Looks like the JTR lighting kit went into a reflector housing. "We recently had an opportunity to install new 7×6 headlight housings and high power LED headlight bulbs into a 1995 Toyota Tacoma. This truck originally used H6054 sealed beam rectangular headlight housing".

From the folks at betterautomotivelighting.com. The pic below shows the firing positions of the diodes. After looking at this.. I see your point about casings or tubes. Impressive; The dsipersion is solid. Too bad these have fans on them. I'm sticking to the copper braid heatsick application. In my case with the 11Edge, I'm inserting the diodes [into the headlighthousing] at the 3 and 9 positions, then rotating aprox. 45 deg to lock in place. A dark spot appears on the driver side. I can eliminaate that by rotating the diodes further another 45 deg. That would mean they too will be firing in the up and down positions. I have to figure out how to rotate the lock ring on the headlight casing. The beam pattern will improve immediately in front of the vehicle and eliminate the dark spot.

Have a look here: http://www.xenondepo...9012-led-hl.htm They are naked. Cree LED's have a bulb like casing.

Don't know about the halogens but the LED light dispersion [in front of the vehicle] is terrible. There is a dark spot cast on the driver side. Either the bulbs are not seated or the diode orientation has to be 3 and 9.

Just installed the passenger side LED with canbus and stopped there as the diodes were offset 30 deg from 12 oclock. Information I have says they should be oriented to 3 and 9 positions. I'm not sure if that matters here but will check with customer service. Here are 2 pics from about 15 ft. Different light dispersion, definitely brighter. The OEM Phillips HIR2 are 1800 lumen vs 2500. Some notes: Newer HIR3 bulbs are rated 2400 lumen, almost as bright as these LED's. The driver side install has less room but once the bulb assembly lock ring tabs are oriented -in line at the housing, they will click in/turn in place easily. Be patient. High beams are incredible. Just got dark so I'm off for a run around the block. Customer service not much help in positioning these to 3 and 9. At present, I do not know how to change the orientation.

I bought an HID headlight to replace the halogen assembly - just one. My Ford parts dealer convinced me that the wiring option would not work because of some BCM or lighting control module issues. I went with upgrading the HIR2 bulb (in the original headlight housing) to LED. But no, I'm looking at this hid headlight assembly I have here. No need to take it apart. I'm really not be interested in going that route to retrofit either with projectors. I presume you're talking about aftermaket 2015 HID's?

No one is saying LED is better than HID - just more efficient. Correction.. I did mention better previously. Perhaps thats an overstatement.

Yes, the lens is different - nothing else.

Yes. I had them partially installed but while testing one canbus was doa. The replacement arrived late today. Just an observation on canbus resisters. XenonDepot says you should install canbus with DRL's but I'm not so sure according to this post:http://www.fordedgeforum.com/topic/15157-retrofitsource-hid-system-with-canbus-and-drl/ HID's use the identical canbus adaptor as LED.. and yes, I had to pull and reverse the wire polarity, so do check them when plugging. No big deal. Testing the setup, one LED was intermittent when connected directly (without canbus) but stabalized with canbus inline (the other was fine). Tech support said that was expected and would not replace the LED unless the canbus was installed with the same problem. That did not happen. Although the 2011 Edge may not be a canbus vehicle, an LED retrofit may require the constant voltage supplied by the canbus adaptor to operate properly with DRL's.

Wrong. A very bad analogy. You have been told before. LED's in projector housings have equal to if not better light dispersion than HID and especially true with the LMZ diode in Ford projectors.

I'm going with these and installing tommorrow on 20011 Edge.. http://www.xenondepot.com/9012-LED-headlight-kit-p/9012-led-hl.htm Way better specs, not made in China, Korea I believe. Another difference is XenonDepot uses the Philips LMZ chip.

Thanks teknowiz, waldo and akirby. teknowiz.. your tsb 13-1-13 posting may have been superseded by tsb 14-0038, at least here in Canada. The wording is somewhat the same. The issue was that the Auto function would always turn on the AC, no matter what the internal temperature settings were set to. Also, if I turned off the AC in Auto mode, the Auto function would turn itself off. When you have the [Remote Auto Start] in [Vehicle Settings] set to Auto and use the Remote Auto Start feature, this may affect you as it screws with and resets the Climate Control Auto function. Reprograming the HVAC according to tsb 14-0038 fixed the issue! As I posted earlier, I can now for eg. set the internal temp to 24 deg with outside ambient temp at 16 deg with CC in Auto mode without the AC turning on. Anyone with this issue should apply tsb 14-0038, described as Inconsistent Climate Control Function when using Remote Start - built on or before 1/31/2013. Thanks again. Not one service advisor or tech bothered to check for outstanding tsb's and continued telling me on two occasions the CC was working normally because it wasn't throwing any codes. Go figure..

Noticed the same thing recently after the brakes were serviced (mandatory under warranty). Brakes were previously fine - after service I get the grinding noise may times on first start. Can this be a brake pad issue, pins perhaps rather than rust? No issues before service.. The service guy tells me they probably won't ever be the same. WTF?

Don't know if this is normal [my vehicle was May 2011 production] Cycle CC off/on --> Auto - on, AC usually on depending on set temp. Auto will always come on when Climate control is cycled. AC off --> Auto - on, AC should stay off.. at least the AC light will remain off Auto - off, after manual selection --> AC will stay off Turn off/restart the engine --> CC - on, no other lights. AC on --> Auto should stay off The only way to get to a CC one light condition from Auto [and maintain that after engine shutdown] is to turn AC off and then go manual as pointed out by Waldo. Didn't make sense at first Waldo.. but does now because I would always cycle the CC and then wonder why Auto was always coming on. It just does. Can't wait to see the QNX version of MFT.. maybe more logical alternative to Microsoft.

Ok.. got it. What I don't understand is that when I turn Auto off with a manual selection, then turn the A/C off - I'm in manual mode. Should stay that way right? Nope. When Climate Control is turned off/on.. Auto and A/C come back on. It wants to stay in Auto mode (not that that's a bad thing). I seem to recall that wasn't the case earlier. I could turn CC off/on without engaging the Auto function. Anyone had this experience?

The tech checked the system again and said no codes were thrown and the system is normal. Once Auto is selected, it cannot be turned off unless an Auto function is manually set, ie. fan speed or vent upper lower etc. In my case at the above temps.. there was no sunload, just UV. I still haven't seen the AC turn off in Auto mode but have had it come on when required.

Are you referring to the Auto controller? Seem to recall that I could turn the Auto feature off, but now its on all the time.

Just had maintenance last day of warranty today. The Service advisor used to be a mechanic and knows everything? I'm using the Auto Climate Control feature [which I used to be able to turn off.. but stays on and cannot be turned off] and have the cabin temp at 24c with outside ambient temp at 16c. The AC comes on and will not turn off. I'm actually asking for a little heat yet get cold air. The guy tells me to turn the AC off. Ok, got that part but where's the Auto feature? The manual - Climate Control Auto will adjust the cabin temp to whatever temp is set by turning the AC on or off as required. Am I missing something? Just new to the forum today, but have browsed topics before. I must say, this is a great place for Edge owners. Thanks for your input. -z