ben senise

looks good. now can we hear how it sounds? ?

my '16 Ti 3.5 and my '20 ST 2.7 ecoboost both use about a liter less per 100 km with 91 than 87. both have used about 11.5 l/100km with 87 and about 10.4 with 91 octane. i have switched many times and the results have been absolutely consistent switching back and forth over many tanks of gas. i'd love to try 94 just out of curiosity.

Now is it worth the extra cost? mathematically not since it's <10% gain for >10% cost but it isn't $10/tank since i get more km. the image above shows a difference of 13.5¢/liter but where i live the difference is 20¢ or more.

but higher octane allows the engine to advance the timing more and thus get more power. that is indisputable. getting more power from the same amount of gas means you use less gas to get the same work.

edit to add: just watched the video above. it is so wrong in so many ways. their reasoning behind the tests on the dyno are completely false and illogical and i can demonstrate that empirically. and the consumers on camera? of course they have no clue about physics. "it's better for the car" isn't a valid argument. stuff like this depresses me.

haven't you heard? it's not called a "horn" anymore. It's an "Operator controlled auditory alerting device." ?

3 hours ago, The Blue Wedge said:

My Edge has no real "tech"

 

No tech? Seriously?

you obviously have never driven a car from the '60s.

ABS, airbags, traction/stability control, electric door locks, remote key lock and start, CD/MP3 player, satellite radio, fuel injection, and so on. those things are  technological developments. what i was referring to in my OP is the latest tech stuff like LED headlights, cameras that keep the car in the lane, radar that keeps the distance from the car in front while cruise control keeps the speed. sensors that turn on the headlights when it gets dark and windshield wipers when it rains. all that stuff is pretty sophisticated technology. I can talk to my car and it will guide me to my destination, tell me what time the store i'm going to closes, and alter my route if there's an accident.

welcome to the forum from another BCer. i'm on vancouver island near Victoria.

18 hours ago, dano126 said:

We drove back home in the night.  The thing I didn't like most about it, was that the headlights didn't seem to cast very well on low beams, high beams were good. 

I agree 100%. I had a 2016 Ti and the headlights were so absolutely terrible that i got rid of the car. In fact, I can't believe they were legal. i traded it for a 2020 ST with LED headlights and they are fantastic.

I've mentioned it here before but I live in a fairly rural area and the road i travel on most of the time is hilly and winding with loads of wildlife. Driving at night was always extremely stressful.

If you like the Edge otherwise, don't be discouraged. Try and find one with better headlights. I've not had personal experience but I believe HID headlights were available on the '16. I don't know when LED became available. I personally wouldn't bother with trying to improve the lights with LED or HID bulbs in the housing designed for incandescent bulbs.

good luck and keep the forum up to date with what you decide or find.

welcome! our edges are the same, perf blue st. what wheels do you have? do you have the 401 package?

i bought my '20 in feb this year. i have the black 21" wheels but not the hi perf brake package since it is not sold in canada. i have the 401 package.

one of the best things i've learned on this forum is the use of forscan to reprogram some of the things on the car like the horn beeping when i get out to pick up mail and leave the car running. also having the turn signal flash 7 times instead of 3 when i tap the stalk.

5 hours ago, enigma-2 said:

Someone in another forum thought road grime (oil getting on windshield) was responsible for making to wipers too sensitive. Can always just turn them down to low setting when it happens. 

my complaint is the opposite: not sensitive enough and the setting is as far as it will go. but it is interesting to see that grime could affect it. maybe i shouldn't clean my windows so much! 

no ST specific color for the '22? ? i like my performance blue and the that it's unique for the ST.

After posting about the poor performance of the rain sensing wipers on my Edge, i got to thinking about some of the other features that i was excited to get when i traded my 2016 Ti for my 2020 ST. Just wondering out loud here about how many other people have similar feelings about the tech in their cars.

1. rain sensing wipers - as per my other post, they don't wipe often enough in light rain even at the highest sensitivity setting. i'll probably turn off this feature if i cannot increase the sensitivity.

2. auto-high beam - the road to the town where i live is very hilly and very curvy. if i have the headlights on auto high beam, they take far too long to turn off the high beams when another car comes within view. again, i'll probably just turn off this feature since it doesn't really work in my experience.

3. adaptive cruise control - i find the acceleration and deceleration/braking on the adaptive setting to be too aggressive. doesn't matter what distance i have it set to. whereas i can see the cars braking far ahead and just lift off the gas to gently slow down, the ACC just keeps barreling down the road and then brakes heavily when i reach the slowing cars. it's not smooth. the distance setting just changes when the car brakes, not how aggressively. i find myself using this feature less often than i anticipated. this is on a very busy two lane (one each direction) highway.

4. self-parking - i knew i wouldn't like this feature and i was right. i find that i can parallel park the car better and faster myself than it can. i never back into a side-by-side space so that feature is wasted. when i tested that feature, it seemed to take forever compared to me just doing it myself.

how do you feel about the features i've mentioned above? do you share my point of view or do you think they are wondeful? am i doing something wrong? i'm just curious and wanted to get other people's opinions.

just wondering if anyone else here has a similar complaint and if anyone knows of a solution to this problem.

the rain sensing feature on my 2020 ST is flaky. sometimes it works well, others it lets so much rain collect on the windshield that it's effectively useless. today it was raining very lightly. very small drops. i needed the wipers to cylce about once every 5 seconds. the best the rain sensing feature would do is once every 20 seconds. after 10 seconds, my sight is becoming degraded by the water gathering on the windshield. if i turn off the automatic rain sensing, the thrid click from the top on the wiper stalk cycles the wiper about once every 5 or 6 seconds which is fine but what's the point of having this feature if it doesn't work?

even in moderate to heavy rain, the wipers sometimes don't wipe as often as i would like them to.

does anyone else here have a similar experience?

is there a way to increase sensitivity so the wipers wipe more frequently? i've maxed out the ring position on the wiper stalk, i.e. it's all the way up.

yes, the windshield is clean and the sensor area clear.

it's far too many menu clicks to be changing this all the time and i'll probably choose to leave the automatic rain sensing off rather than turn it off and on all the time.

On 7/23/2021 at 2:52 PM, ANoid said:

Looks wise, I like the tail end of hers better and the front end of mine better.

i must admit that i'm not crazy about the tail end on the 2019+ refresh. i had a 2016 and since it was a Ti, the middle section of the light bar lit up. A bit gimmicky and space ship looking but it was better than the black space on my 2020 ST.

have you ever walked up to the wrong car and wondered why it wouldn't open? ?

9 hours ago, iiTsFrost said:

Does anyone have any ideas as to what could be the cause of this?

you have a lead foot perhaps? ?

but seriously, like 1004ron says, first step would be to see if that's actually true. those "distance to empty" figures are predictive based on current driving. stomp on the gas and the calculations are basically "if you keep driving like this, you'll run out of gas in x miles." if you're driving uphill, it'll be pessimistic and so on.

6 hours ago, mholland79 said:

So after trying a handful of the suggested solutions above, I finally just replaced the complete latch assembly which fixed the problem. Below are links to a video I found on the replacement procedure as well as a link to where I purchased the latch.

 

Tailgate Latch Assembly

Tailgate Latch Assembly Video

thanks for posting that. doesn't seem too bad for sixty-bucks or so.

3 hours ago, Cerberus said:

Just to bring this to closure, i had the evap purge valve/solenoid replaced under drivetrain warranty at the dealership and the problem was cured. I did have an extended OBD code stored which indicated an evap error.

Come to find out, the valve is right on top of the forward cylinder bank, So i would have done it myself and saved the visit with those ass clowns.. but thats a different story for another day..

^^^^^^ this is the kind of info that makes a forum like this one invaluable. hopefully this will be of great use to someone in the future.

thanks for posting this update Cerberus. ?

9 hours ago, niceonept said:

Thanks for your suggestions Ben but I have already considered those and they are not practical or what I want to do or achieve.

Yes, I could easily move over my entire digital music library to a thumb drive but with the size it is it'll take more than a day do do and I am then stuck with how to sync and update it as I add songs and playlists and make changes. Are you aware of a progamme that syncs iTunes to a memory stick?  I don't think there is one. Navigation of music through Sync 3 is awful too - would much rather do it through a device.

I have Spotify but that is not comparable to having all your music on a dedicated music storage device, such as an iPod. Not everything is on Spotify and it requires a good 3G signal to work properly. Where I live there are unfortunately large areas where we get no 3G coverage. I would also have to spend ages replicating all my playlists on Spotify.

With regards degradation of sound quality, in all my previous Fords with Sync 1 and 2 it was negligible when playing through the 3.5mm aux socket. Not that I had to do that mind you, because Sync 1 and Sync 2 worked perfectly with all my iPods!

Looks like the $100 device (with $50 shipping!) will be my only option.

ok, got it. i understand your predicament. if you do end up getting that device, i hope you get acceptable sound quality from it. managing music libraries is tough. i don't do apple anymore. i was a HUGE apple evangelist from the first mac until my iPhone 4S. but then steve died and the company went to hell as far as i'm concerned. beautiful products but they just don't compete with the other things out there and they don't care. it's their walled garden.

with regards to sound degradation in your previous fords, the sound was going from digital files on the ipods to an analog signal and them amplified. so there was only one conversion.

7 hours ago, enigma-2 said:

Would something like this work.in your case? (I guess I'm still confused as to exactly what your trying to accomplish).

 

Rexing FMT2 FM Transmitter Car Charger w/Bluetooth 5.0, MicroSD Port, Wireless Audio Adapter USB & Type C, Quick Charge 3.0, Enhanced Bass Music Player, Hands-Free Calling, Siri&Google Assistant

 

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09B4FQ5GD/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_3Z9M70V7PG4YAMTHRMPW?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

IMNSHO, fm transmitters absolutely suck. the sound is bad, there's often interference, static, etc.

7 hours ago, akirby said:

I use iTunes export (freeware program not the iTunes built in function) with iTunes on windows.  It exports the music to the thumb drive along with playlists. 
 

 

that works to export but i think pete wants to manage his music, as he says "sync and update it as I add songs and playlists and make changes."

good luck pete, please let us know how it goes.

3 hours ago, niceonept said:

A number of devices Ben, including 2 Classic iPods (my Touch and Nanos just about work when connected to USB , but Sync 3 refuses to play any of my Classics) and a Toshiba personal stereo cassette player.

pete,

i had a quick search on the inter-webs and found quite a few people posting more or less the same quandary as yours. i was unable to find a solution.

the problem i see is that you're going from digital source files on the ipods to analog (3.5mm output line) back to digital (for the USB) and then back to analog (out the speakers). there has got to be a noticeable degradation along the line. the cassettes are a different story but again, if it's music you've got on there, you could source the same albums in digital format.

are you not able to copy the material on your various sources to a USB thumb drive? don't know if it's an option for you but i have Spotify and it has almost every album i've ever owned. i rarely listen to my music files anymore despite the fact that i have thousands of songs on a thumb drive in FLAC format and a few MPEG files.

i understand that your original question was about getting a device to get your analog output onto Sync3 and of course, your use case could be something entirely different that i'm not considering but it would be the easiest and most straightforward solution.

On 9/19/2021 at 5:05 AM, niceonept said:

Has anyone actually bought and used one of these adaptors.......do they work ? 

https://naviks.com/i-24076199-ford-sync-3-usb-to-3-5mm-aux-adapter-compatible-with-all-sync-3-vehicles.html?ref=brand:97234

At $100, they seem incredibly expensive for what they are.

Anyone aware of a cheaper alternative?

what are you trying to connect to your Sync3? this device you posted appears to convert analog sound signal from the 3.5mm hack to a digital signal on the USB plug. i'm curious to know what source you've got that you want to use.

16 minutes ago, todd92 said:

Sig Sauer P229 9mm

my favorite although i go for the .40.

On 9/8/2021 at 1:17 PM, Jim W said:

I'm curious what most folks use it for?  It didn't seem like a good spot to set my cell phone, and the odd shape is interesting.

i never put anything in that space in my edge.

add me to the 91 octane club. i didn't buy the ST to hobble it with low octane gas.

On 9/1/2021 at 10:31 AM, PokeTheBear70 said:

The wheels are the larger 265/40/21 option that was available with the larger brake calipers etc.

I need all-season due to the winter conditions here in Wisconsin.

On 9/1/2021 at 1:59 PM, PokeTheBear70 said:

Well, my car came with P-Zeros when I picked it up.  All it took is me attempting to drive it home in January in Wisconsin (the day I picked up the car) to realize that those tires had to go.  It was like driving on plastic wheels on a sheet of ice! ?

 

Now they chill in my basement, with 15 miles on them.

the brake calipers are not larger on the brake package.

i thought living in wisconsin, you would get proper winter tires. all-seasons suck in the winter and suck in the summer.

p-zeros are high performance summer tires. if you drove home in january, i would imagine it was cold and maybe you even had snow or ice on the road. summer tires get rock hard when they get cold and lose grip. all seasons are a bit better but not much. winter tires stay soft and thus keep their grip within the laws of physics of course.

plus, if you only had 15 miles on them, they still had the mold-release on them and they'd be slippery even in dry and hot conditions. it takes a couple hundred miles to wear that stuff off.

why not just keep the nice p-zeros for the summer and get a set of wheels for the winter tires? 

check out this post i made 4+ years ago.

31 minutes ago, Adam.mcmasters said:

Thanks for giving me the info because everytime I look up fog lights for my edge the give the corner light and say they are fog lights 

those are not fog lights. 

2 hours ago, MLLI18 said:

I took my 2020 Edge Titanium Elite in for the camera recalls and mentioned that I was unable to select adaptive headlamps in the menu (It is greyed out).  (Mine also do a little dance when you turn them on)  The service advisor brought out a document that I think was a TSB that said even though it was greyed out the adaptive headlamps were operating properly.  I should have asked for a copy of it but I was distracted.  I don't know if they actually work or not.

if you can get on a small curvy road with no lighting at night, you can see them work. to me it's very noticeable. just drive slowly and turn your steering wheel slowly. you should see the light move in the direction you are turning.

if your lights do the little dance when you turn them on, then my guess is that they're working. although i believe they don't move when the car is stationary.

it does seem strange that people don't have the option available in the settings but as long as they work, that's what counts. i can't imagine a scenario where you wouldn't want them to work. they give me so much peace of mind since i live in an area with almost no straight roads anywhere and tons of dear, bears, cougars, racoons, etc. the lighting is so much better to the side of the road in a curve with these lights. it's the main reason i sold my 2016 Ti; the lights were terrible.