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Any more news on expected changes for the '08 model? Do we confirmation on Headrest DVD Entertainment System. I'd much prefer that. Plus any word on improvements to the braking system? That alone is making me hold off on the '07 model. Not to mention I'm not jumping up and down about any of the current paint colors.

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Any more news on expected changes for the '08 model? Do we confirmation on Headrest DVD Entertainment System. I'd much prefer that. Plus any word on improvements to the braking system? That alone is making me hold off on the '07 model. Not to mention I'm not jumping up and down about any of the current paint colors.

 

We built some production protos this week of some 2008's. I quickly went through a mandate list of some of the changes:

 

A few new colors.....a very dark metallic blue, light metallic blue and a new silver. White Chocolate will be available on the Edge.

 

Power liftgate optional on Edge

 

Suspension tweeks on all models with some revised spring and strut rates.

 

Voice activated navigation

 

20" wheels optional on MKX.

 

There's a whole whack of small changes.....too may to list (or remember)

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A few new colors.....a very dark metallic blue, light metallic blue and a new silver. White Chocolate will be available on the Edge.

 

Will that Blue be darker than the Dark Blue Pearl Clearcoat Metallic that Ford currently uses? Will it be available on the Edge or are you implying the MKX gets the dark blue? I'm guessing the revised spring and strut rates might be enacted to improved braking. Are there any other braking related improvements confirmed? Things I'd really like to see are Hidden RSS, Homelink, Limited Model.

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Will that Blue be darker than the Dark Blue Pearl Clearcoat Metallic that Ford currently uses? Will it be available on the Edge or are you implying the MKX gets the dark blue? I'm guessing the revised spring and strut rates might be enacted to improved braking. Are there any other braking related improvements confirmed? Things I'd really like to see are Hidden RSS, Homelink, Limited Model.

 

I'm not sure what Dark Blue Pearl looks like. Apparantly as far as I know it's a completely new color. It's so dark it looks like black until the sun hits it. I'm pretty sure it will be available on the Edge and MKX as 9 colors will now be shared between the Edge and MKX. I'm quite sure the only color that will remain unshared is Blazing Copper.

 

The revised spring/strut rates might help braking slightly but I highly doubt it.....the change is most likely due to customer and reviewer complaints of the "floaty" ride both vehicles exhibit at highway speeds.

 

As I said....there's a whack of new changes.....most are small engineering refinements and many are appearance related. And yes....there is now a "Limited" model for the Edge.

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Here is the Dark Blue Pearl Clearcoat Metallic 500_4.jpg

 

Although I'm excited about a darker color than this for the Edge, I'm not so sure I would like a blue so dark it appears almost black on all but sunny days.

 

Is this a good representation of the light blue you mentioned? lexus_rx330.jpg

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It would sure be nice if they would move the antenna from the front to the back like every other sport cuv/suv.

 

Or better yet just catch up with current way of doing it and put the antenna in the glass so there is no mast at all.

 

That would be great.....

 

I'll be getting a 2008 now that my 07 got stolen and burned last week. That was a sad day. Nothing like the cops calling to say that they have recovered your stolen car.....However.....It's been damaged!

 

Yea...damaged....Burned out, is more like it !!! :banghead:

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Nissan has a color called Midnight Blue. Is it darker than this?

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And here the same color on a Nissan Xterra.

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It's amazing how different the same color can look look under different settings. The Murano is obviously a photo by Nissan Marketing on a sunny day. The Xterra by a car dealer's pic on a rainy day.

 

Nissan also has a Majestic Blue shown here on the Altima. I like it but it really only looks a tad bit darker than Ford's Dark Blue Pearl Clearcoat Metallic. It all depends on the amount of like as you can see in the 3rd altima pic. It looks nearly black in in the shade.

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I see an awful lot of talk about apperance/convience items (power liftgate, SYNC, HID, etc.) for 2008, yet I still read a lot here and in professional reviews about something that is still not being addressed by anyone from Ford.

I am not the first to ask this, but I will ask it again.......

 

What is Ford doing about the brakes??

 

I read about a tweeking of shock and strut rates, and I agree with an earlier post that that might help, but clearly Ford needs to address this with more radical changes than that. It may frustrate Ford that people like me review stats like "60-0mph stopping distance", but the 2007 Edge takes about 30' longer to stop from 60mph than most of it's competitors. It may sound like I am nitpicking, and I am sure many Edge owners have never felt a problem with the brakes, but that might be because thankfully they have never had to make an emergency stop. That 30 foot difference could be the difference between a serious accident and avoiding one altogether.

 

I own a Mazda6 and have driven my friend's CX-7 a few times. Both of these cars stop on a dime. As the parent company, Ford should take some cues from Mazda.

 

All of that said, I recently rented a 2007 SEL AWD and drove from NY to FL for a 2 week vacation. The car drives great on the highway, but I still don't know why Ford is addressing a complaint of a "floaty" feel on the highway, versus the much more serious and talked about brake issue. And thankfully, I didn't need to make any emergency stops either, but I did give them a real hard test when I was alone in the car, and they did feel a bit weak. The Edge also gives a hard nosedive in hard braking, as reported in other posts.

 

Ford......hold off on the geeky and techno changes....fix those brakes!!! Shouldn't safety be Job 1 ??

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the 2007 Edge takes about 30' longer to stop from 60mph than most of it's competitors.

 

No, it doesn't. I think you're confusing 70-0 times with 60-0 times. Motorweek says the Edge and MKX take around 145 ft (give or take - don't remember exactly) from 60 while the competition is in the 130's. You can only get down to 120's with a X5 which isn't the competition.

 

It looks like they had to compromise the rolling resistance of the tires for CAFE compliance and that's being fixed for 08. I expect the 08s to be back in the 130's.

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Ford will be installing a parachute and an anchor to properly address the panic stop braking issue.

 

Seriously, I have to agree with Jorich919, Ford needs to address this. I've moved on to other things in the meantime assuming they are likely addressing the issue for 2008. I already passed on the 2007 Edge due to the brake issue even though the earlybird lease turn-in program would let me out of my 2005 Fird Five Hundred right now. I was all set to do it too but the brakes were a deal breaker for me. My wife's 2006 Explorer stops in 125 and weighs 458 lbs more than an Edge so don't quote me stats on other CUVs that take 140 plus feet cause that's no excuse. The Edge should be able to easily obtain 120's from 60-0 given it's weight and anything less with today's technology is simply unacceptable. I'm like a 8 time Ford owner. I have deep customer loyalty but safety is the one issue that will turn me away. One improvement I think Ford is doing about the brakes is switching to better tires. But that should probably be only 1 of a 3 or 4 pronged approach to improving them in my opinion. The brakes is this vehicles only real weakness. It would be a colossal and I mean COLOSSAL mistake for Ford to sit back and do nothing on this issue.

 

I'll state openly right now that if Ford can't at least get this to stop in less than 130 ft from 60-0 than I'm buying something else and probably not a Ford. Maybe a Nissan Murano or Mazda CX-9 although I have't done the research yet. Yes I know they cost more but that's how strongly I feel. I rather they jack up the price of the Edge by $1000 for the '08 model and give it best in class brakes.

 

Look at this and tell me you don't have concerns. The Edge quite possibly has the worst braking in recent history of all CUV's and SUV's alike. Can we once and for all drop the premise now that the Edge has braking similar to all it's competition? Listed from best to worst regardless of weight.

 

Chevy Trailblazer '06

60-0 mph 119 ft / curb wt. 4523 lbs

http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2535b.shtml

 

BMW X5 '07

60-0 mph 120 ft / curb wt. 5335 lbs

http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2635a.shtml

 

Volvo XC90 '06

60-0 mph 124 ft / curb wt. 4610 lbs

http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2437a.shtml

 

Nissan Murano '03

60-0 mph 124 ft / curb wt. 3806 lbs

http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2222a.shtml

 

Ford Explorer '06

60-0 mph 125 ft / curb wt. 4531 lbs

http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2515a.shtml

 

Jeep Grand Cherokee ST-8

60-0 mph 125 ft / curb wt. 3994 lbs

http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2527a.shtml

 

Chrysler Pacifica '04

60-0 mph 125 ft / curb wt. 4482 lbs

http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2234.shtml

 

VW Tourag '04

60-0 mph 127 ft / curb wt. 5300 lbs

http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2304a.shtml

 

Mercedes ML350 '06

60-0 mph 130 ft / curb wt. 4705 lbs

http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2438a.shtml

 

Cadillac Escalade '07

60-0 mph 133 ft / curb wt. 5459 lbs

http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2537b.shtml

 

Dodge Durango '04

60-0 mph 133 ft / curb wt. 4921 lbs

http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2322.shtml

 

Acura MDX '06

60-0 mph 134 ft / curb wt. 4539 lbs

http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2610b.shtml

 

Mazda CX-9 '07

60-0 mph 136 ft / curb wt. 4546 lbs

http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2632b.shtml

 

Honda Pilot '03

60-0 mph 136 ft / curb wt. 4439 lbs

http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2143.shtml

 

Ford Expedition '03

60-0 mph 140 ft / curb wt. 5267 lbs

http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2139.shtml

 

Ford Edge '07

60-0 mph 146 ft / curb wt. 4073 lbs

http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2619b.shtml

 

Lincoln MKX '07

60-0 mph 147 ft / curb wt. 4220 lbs

http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2614a.shtml

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No, it doesn't. I think you're confusing 70-0 times with 60-0 times. Motorweek says the Edge and MKX take around 145 ft (give or take - don't remember exactly) from 60 while the competition is in the 130's. You can only get down to 120's with a X5 which isn't the competition.

 

It looks like they had to compromise the rolling resistance of the tires for CAFE compliance and that's being fixed for 08. I expect the 08s to be back in the 130's.

 

Braking could very well improve with the new tires. One of the engineering changes is dropping the Continental brand of tires. I forget what they are being replaced with but one of brands will be Michelin. Brakes could be getting changed.....I'm not sure as I didn't read very much of the mandate booklet that outlined all the new changes. Braking improvement could be made by simply changing the brake pad compound and if Ford is planning a change, that will likely be how they do it.

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When will the 2008 Ordering guide be available to the dealers? I am driving my dealer nuts via e-mail asking about it. I am anxious to see if the few "missing" items I want on an Edge will be available for 2008. In the mean time, I drove a black/black MKX with Ultimate and Elite packages for the last 3 days while my car was being serviced. It was very nice.

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