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Is this the end of any FORScan mods?
tk2fast replied to tk2fast's topic in Accessories & Modifications
Thanks for your in depth interpretation. I just get a little testy when I see all the rules and regulations on what is right and what is wrong. I grew up at a time when life was a lot simpler and if you wanted something done you did it yourself. I love the technology now days but many other areas of society (in my opinion) have declined greatly. As I said I will let the dealer make the minor changes. Been an interesting discussion so far and I appreciate all the input. -
Is this the end of any FORScan mods?
tk2fast replied to tk2fast's topic in Accessories & Modifications
All true. Easiest way for me to deal with it is make it part of the original purchase, as it's too much hassle otherwise. Especially when considering needing just a few items changed. -
Is this the end of any FORScan mods?
tk2fast replied to tk2fast's topic in Accessories & Modifications
Thank you, this was my initial point! "The Supreme Court ruled that auto manufacturers "Exhausted their control with the initial sale. Once sold, they cannot tell the new owner what to do," but the state can." -
Is this the end of any FORScan mods?
tk2fast replied to tk2fast's topic in Accessories & Modifications
Looks like the OBD interface hardware (VCM2) for the FDRS software is anywhere from $130 to a few thousand for the real Bosch unit. The cheaper units seem to be readily available and have a good rating. Not sure if any other OBD units would work. If Ford would be a little more consistent across the higher end models with the available features, many would not want to change things. Such as the 2016 Fusion has the climate controls display on the right side of the dash, controlled at the steering wheel, but not so in the Edge. It has to be enabled on the Edge in software and bam it's there. Is that so hard to do Ford? Such a useful feature and Ford falls short. -
Is this the end of any FORScan mods?
tk2fast replied to tk2fast's topic in Accessories & Modifications
Here is a link where I got that pricing from: https://www.fordtechservice.dealerconnection.com/VDIRS/wds/vcm_retail_renewal_Latest.asp -
Is this the end of any FORScan mods?
tk2fast replied to tk2fast's topic in Accessories & Modifications
I thought this was interesting from Ford. This lists the fees to use Fords software packages. Not sure if available to consumers. 365 day IDS/FDRS Software License = $849.00 per license 30 day IDS/FDRS Software License = $299.00 per license 2 day IDS/FDRS Software License = $149.00 per license 365 day FJDS/FDRS Software License = $849.95 per license 30 day FJDS/FDRS Software License = $149.95 per license 2 day FJDS/FDRS Software License = $49.95 per license -
Is this the end of any FORScan mods?
tk2fast replied to tk2fast's topic in Accessories & Modifications
Thanks all for the input and many good points. There are just a few things I would want changed, if in fact needed on the 2019 Edge, and I would have the dealer change them as part of the "deal." -
Is this the end of any FORScan mods?
tk2fast replied to tk2fast's topic in Accessories & Modifications
Okay I get it!! The software is licensed to me to use, so if I modify it for my own use, who is that hurting? When I pay 45K for a vehicle, I will do what I wan't to it without someone telling me it's wrong. Dealt with that crap all my life and at this point I really don't care. Whats the difference if I take it to Ford or do it myself... Same result, but if Ford does it, then it's okay? -
Is this the end of any FORScan mods?
tk2fast replied to tk2fast's topic in Accessories & Modifications
I get it... good point. Had no idea where Forscan came from. Thought open source. Won't be the first or last time I'm wrong! -
Is this the end of any FORScan mods?
tk2fast replied to tk2fast's topic in Accessories & Modifications
I'manedgeowner thanks for info. As far as I can tell on the FORScan forums there have been several attempts to make changes on some 2018 Ford vehicles to no avail. Also some state that Ford is starting to lock the mods, so changes cant be made without the FDRS system. I am not saying I am right because I don't know for sure what is going on. That is why I posted here, hoping to get input from people in the know. I'm thinking about purchasing a new Edge, but want to change a few basic irritants. I'm not talking about making changes with FDRS but rather FORScan. -
Is this the end of any FORScan mods?
tk2fast replied to tk2fast's topic in Accessories & Modifications
Posted Today, 12:59 PM Akirby, there are a few posts on the FORScan forums that describe having the same problem when trying to mod an 2018 Expedition. Here is what they encountered. Every time I try to write a block, the procedure ends with "Service procedure has been interrupted" after reading all ten blocks. Additionally Ford has this to say about the FDRS system. Ford Diagnostic & Repair System (FDRS) - The next generation factory Ford Motor Company vehicle diagnostic Software designed for use with VCM II, VCMM and J2534 compatible Vehicle Communications Interfaces (VCI). FDRS provides complete dealership level vehicle diagnostic coverage for some 2018 and forward vehicles. FDRS provides superior capabilities, is more user-friendly and provides more diagnostic tools than IDS. The cloud-based system ensures the technician is provided the latest software every time FDRS logs into the Ford network. And I do understand that it is proprietary software, but when I purchase a $45K vehicle I am also purchasing the software that runs that vehicle and have the right (by purchase) to modify it to my personal needs. I am not asking to modify and redistribute the software but to make a few fundamental changes that suit my needs. When I purchase a copy of Windows I am able to change a Hugh amount of parameters to my needs that does not violate the proprietary software. Ford should allow some customization as this would better customer relations versus tearing them down by locking any changes. These systems are extremely complex and there is no way Ford engineers can anticipate what every individual wants, so why not let the ones who want to customize do it. That's all. Very simple. -
It looks like Ford is eliminating everyone except those authorized by Ford from making any changes with the new FDRS system (Ford diagnostic and repair system). From what I understand the system is cloud based (so no stand alone systems) and requires a license & password along with the VIN of the vehicle. Therefor Ford has complete control of any mods. Looks like many 2018 Ford vehicles and all future models will no longer have consumer access for modifications. This is total BS! Personally I think it's important for those wanting to change or add features on the auto they own, to be able to do just that. If I want the push of my turn signal to be 5 flashes instead of 3, then I should be able to do that. If I don't want the 2 honk feature when exiting my car, then let me disable it. If I want the dash display to show the HVAC functions, then I should have that choice. If I want to add a key without paying exorbitant costs, I should be able to do that. If I'm missing something please chime in or if anyone has something to add, please do so...
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NO paddle shifters on the 2019 Edge FWD... WHAT??
tk2fast replied to tk2fast's topic in Transaxle (FWD)
Strange that Ford decided to take away SelectShift (paddle shifters) on the FWD 2019 Edge but is standard on the MKX (Nautilus). Not even an option! -
NO paddle shifters on the 2019 Edge FWD... WHAT??
tk2fast replied to tk2fast's topic in Transaxle (FWD)
I guess a thorough test drive is in my future. -
NO paddle shifters on the 2019 Edge FWD... WHAT??
tk2fast replied to tk2fast's topic in Transaxle (FWD)
Thanks Waldo, just do not want to purchase a 2019 only to find out the drivability would not be satisfactory on extreme mountain roads. -
NO paddle shifters on the 2019 Edge FWD... WHAT??
tk2fast replied to tk2fast's topic in Transaxle (FWD)
I agree ben senise; No paddle shifters is a "deal breaker" for me. 90% of my driving is mountainous with very steep downgrades. It just makes no sense to me that Ford would do this. Ugh! Does anyone have an Email of someone at Ford that makes these decisions? -
NO paddle shifters on the 2019 Edge FWD... WHAT??
tk2fast replied to tk2fast's topic in Transaxle (FWD)
Thanks akirby. Appreciate you checking. -
NO paddle shifters on the 2019 Edge FWD... WHAT??
tk2fast replied to tk2fast's topic in Transaxle (FWD)
That's interesting omar302... Good point! -
NO paddle shifters on the 2019 Edge FWD... WHAT??
tk2fast replied to tk2fast's topic in Transaxle (FWD)
My driving includes 8% plus down grades that benefit greatly from a manual downshift. Otherwise I have to really "lay" on the brakes. Would the edge downshift on an 8% downgrade? Correct me if wrong, but I don't think so. If it was just normal driving that is more common, I would not be too concerned about manual shifting. -
Does anyone else find it strange that Ford decided not to include paddle shifters on the 2019 Edge, except for AWD. I think it's essential to have, especially when driving mountain roads. If I'm wrong, please correct me. What is the consensus here???
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