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Hi Mr. Big. :D If it were me, I would be "not feeling too good" about my wife :bike: (maybe she should sue the guy who had the gall to park behind her) , and the bast*rd that scratched it! :chairshot: Just kidding (kind of). :angel: I hope your luck changes very soon. Good luck! :beerchug:

Hi guys. :D The post by "Trainmaster" is the perfect example of why we all should routinely check our tire pressure, whether they are filled with compressed air, nitrogen, jello or whatever. Let me start by saying that I am not trying to make any one angry, insult anyone, etc etc. Just trying to present the facts (not my opinion). First, nobody should go a "couple of months" without checking their tires! Nitrogen filled tires will still lose pressure over time. Just not as quickly as compressed air. And yes, they are not affected by temperature change in the same way as compressed air. But you still have to check them! They will lose pressure normally. And what if you have a puncture with a slow leak? Do you plan on finding it out only when your TPMS (Idiot Light) comes on? A Nitrogen fill is not some sort of "cure all" which means we no longer need to check our tires. And a TPMS system is not some sort of "fail safe, hands off, never have to check your tires yourself" system. A TPMS system is a "Holy Shit! Hey you! Wake up! Your tires are so low you better stop and fill them now system". Again, most TPMS systems are set to warn when your pressure drops below approximately 75% of recommended pressure. So, on a tire with a recommended pressure of 34psi, your TPMS warning light will not even come on until you are at 26psi. That is dangerously low. Essentially, they are just two more attempts at trying to make cars "Idiot Proof". And the "Idiots" they are trying to "proof" the cars against are those of us who don't have pressure gauges and don't check their tires regularly. "Ksaness", "akirby" is right. Of course you should check your tires in the mean time. What if they get dangerously low before the week is up? What if you get busy and can't go back in a week? This is one of the drawbacks of a nitrogen fill. You can not do anything without going back to that one shop (or use compressed air and contaminate your nitrogen fill). Everybody needs to check their tires, unless you are rich enough to pay your butler/driver to do it for you. Good luck. :beerchug:

Hi xplorgee. :D It can work in various ways. They will sometimes deduct a mileage penalty, sometimes not. They will sometimes basically swap it for a similarly equipped model of the same year, if still available, sometimes you have to negotiate the price of the new vehicle. If you had a 2007 (which you obviously must have) and there is no suitable 2007 available, you have the added confusion of a new model year vehicle being involved. Since all of the above is just some of what needs to be dealt with, you should ask the Dealer Representative, and the Ford Representative as to how they are going to handle your particular case. The best you can get here is one of us guessing as to how they "might" handle your case. Or you will get someone swearing that their car was bought back by Ford, and they know exactly how your case will be handled (when every case is different, and Lemon Laws vary from State to State). Really, it is best that you ask those you will be dealing with at the Dealer and at Ford. Only they can give you the correct answers. Please let us know how it works out. Good luck! :beerchug:

Hi Edgieguy. :D Let me start off by saying two things: First, I am very glad that no one was injured. Second, I am in no way trying to talk you, or anyone else out of their decision to buy AWD, or FWD or RWD or whatever they prefer. Everybody should purchase what they like. Simple as that. However, do not be fooled into thinking that your friend most likely would not have had the same accident, whether he had AWD or not. In general, AWD will only get you going, and keep you going, in harsher driving conditions. It will not save your bacon if you are driving too fast for the conditions. Simply stated, your friend was driving too fast for the road/weather conditions, and AWD most likely would not have made a darn bit of difference. In a one car weather related accident, if we are driving at the proper speed, we will not have an accident. If you skid off the road, you are driving too fast. That is the exactly how the law looks at it, because it is simple common sense. If you weren't driving too fast, you would not have lost control and skid off the road. AWD/4WD will not help you stop better, and in many cases, it will not help you turn better either. Sure, it will help some, but it cannot overcome the laws of physics. Unfortunately (and this is nothing against your friend, who I am sure is a fine person), most single vehicle accidents such as the one you describe are caused by one simple factor, driving too fast for the conditions. If you drive long enough, it happens to many of us. But AWD/4WD is not the "save all" answer that some believe. It cannot make up for poor driver judgment (again, nothing against your friend, it can happen to any of us). That is why, around my area of the Northeast, whenever we have heavy snow/rain/ice, the vehicles you most often see off the road, nose first or rear end first in the snowbanks or trees, are the AWD and 4WD ones. Why? Because their drivers overestimate the benefits of AWD. These are the same people we see blowing by us in a blinding rainstorm or blizzard. They don't understand AWD/4WD only helps them get moving and stay moving, in a straight line. They will still hydroplane on puddles and skid on ice like the rest of us "mortals". I must admit, while I always make sure that they are unhurt first, I find a certain amusement in their disbelief that they skidded and hit something. "But I have AWD!!!" they alway say!. Simply put, if you, I, or anyone else slide of the road, and we were not cut off by another car, a deer, Elvis, a UFO etc, etc, we were driving too fast for the road conditions. It is driver error, and AWD will not save us. All of that now said, I wish you many miles of safe and happy driving in your new AWD Edge! Good luck! :beerchug:

Hi alwaysonedge. :D If your Leasing Company put a speed limiter on your Edge, it would be something they did as part of their own company policy, as opposed to an "every leasing company does it" sort of thing. You can always go to your Dealer Service Department and ask them to check the PCM programming. However, you may want to re-read your Leasing contract and paperwork first, to be sure there are not any fine print rules concerning re-programming they may have done. Also, if your PCM was re-programmed, you may have to pay to have it changed back. It may not be considered warranty work. I do not know for sure, just giving you some prior warning. Good luck! :beerchug:

Hi Ksaness. :D Thanks for simplifying, and displaying some pity for a simple man. You did not say at what point this problem started in the 9 months and 18,000 miles you have had the car? Have the tires leaked since day one, or is it a more recent development? But again (and I know this sounds overly simple), if the leaks are due to some type of manufacturing defect, like a faulty wheel, bad tire bead, defective tire valve, etc etc, then it should be covered under your new car warranty. If the leaks are due to the fact that you ran over a box of nails that fell off a truck and spread all over the road, or come other type of road hazard damage to your wheels or tires, etc etc, then no, it is not covered. Here is what I would do. Take the car to the Dealer when you have the time to stay there. Have them take off one wheel, and dismount and check the tire. See what is causing the problem. Is it road hazard damage, or a manufacturing defect? If it's road hazard damage, then they get fixed on your dime. If there is no road hazard damage, then there is some type of inherent defect. Therefore, it's a Warranty item, it should be covered by Ford or the tire manufacturer, and the Dealer should fix it and the other three, under warranty. It's as simple as that. Another option to ponder: If you have a local service garage that you trust, preferably with some tire expertise, you could have them check one wheel/tire first (before you return to the Dealer), just to cover your back. Having something in writing would certainly help your cause. By the way, unless you are getting the Nitrogen fills for free (and refills and top offs each time you need it), save your money. I'm not going to get into the whole story now, but most experts will state that until it is more widely available, it is not worth the cost and trouble. If you regularly maintain you tires, by purchasing and using a tire pressure gauge to check them, you do not need a nitrogen fill. It does not make them maintenance free. Also, once you have nitrogen in the tire, using regular compressed air to "top off" the tires will negate all of the benefits of the nitrogen. So you always would need to go back to a shop which uses nitrogen. Let us know what happens. Good luck! :beerchug:

Hi Ksaness. :D to be honest, your description of the problem is a little confusing (at least to me). To start, is it possible that some idiot (or friend who is an idiot) is pulling a poor taste practical joke, and letting air out of your tires? Next, whether that is a possibility or not, you need to purchase a good quality tire pressure gauge. Every car should have one. You have a $25,000+ machine, so at least do the minimum maintenance required. Since you say the tires were visibly low, then we "probably" can safely rule out a TPMS system problem. Having said that, do not count on the TPMS system as your safety cushion. It is an "IDIOT LIGHT". It is there to protect from their own stupidity, those who are too lazy to check there own tires. As 07 MKZ stated, they are usually calibrated to alert the driver when the pressure has dropped +-25%. So on a car with a recommended pressure of 34psi, it may not notify you until they are down to approximately 26psi. That is dangerously low. Get a tire pressure gauge, and use it! Next, when did you have the tires filled with "Nitrogen"? They do not come from the factory with nitrogen. Did the Dealer do it, or another tire shop? When the "nitrogen" fill was done, did whoever performed the service completely purge the tires of all air? If they did not, the nitrogen fill was a waste, as it is contaminated. Might as well be compressed air. Are all four tires losing pressure? Are these the original wheels and tires? You say you have had the Edge for 9 months and put 18,000 miles on it, when did this problem first begin? Did they lose pressure from the time you purchased the vehicle, or has it begun recently? These are just a few questions that would need to be answered. Essentially, if there is a manufacturing defect in the wheels, tires, valves, etc etc, then yes the Warranty should cover it. But if the tires have punctures, then no, it would be normal wear and tear, and it would be your out of pocket cost. You are either going to need to have the Dealer check them, or a tire shop check them. One way or another, the results will be the same. It is either a manufacturing defect covered by warranty, or a road hazard problem which you will have to pay for, out of pocket. You can't keep riding around with leaking tires. Let us know what happens, and good luck! :beerchug:

Hi jgeres. :D In addition to the reasons given by other forum members above (which are all correct), there are several other reasons why you may be experiencing lower fuel mileage than you expected. You will see that many of them are weather related. You must remember that the EPA results cannot take every factor into consideration when they do their testing. Please read the following list carefully, as there is at least one factor that you can do something about (#5): Here are just some of the many (simplified) reasons your car will get lower mpg's in very cold weather: 1 - In many regions of the US, the gas formula is switched over by law to an "Oxygenated" mixture in the winter months, to meet EPA Air Pollution standards. This mixture is inherently less fuel efficient. Your car uses more fuel. 2 - An automobile engine has a specific temperature range where it is most fuel and power efficient. Get too far out of that ideal temperature range, either high or low, and fuel efficiency suffers. So essentially, extremely warm or extremely cold temperatures (summer and winter in most regions) adversely effect fuel consumption and engine efficiency. Once you are out of that ideal range, your car use more fuel. 3 - A car will take longer to warm up in cold weather, therefore running richer for longer. Your car uses more fuel. 4 - Cold air is denser than warm air, so an engine needs more fuel to run properly (just to drive normally). Therefore, the Engine Management System must run a richer mixture, to avoid running lean. Your car uses more fuel 5 - If you run your front windshield defroster, or have the Automatic Temperature Control HVAC system set to "Auto", your cars A/C compressor is running to dehumidify the warm air. It is the same as running your A/C in the summer. Your car uses more fuel. 6 - It takes more energy to get a car moving and keep it moving in wet, icy and snowy conditions, than it does in dry conditions. Think of driving in snow as almost the equivalent of driving in sand. Your tires, and therefore your engine, need to overcome more force against them. Your car uses more fuel. These are just a few quick, simple reasons. I am sure someone else will jump in with more. And not that it makes us feel any better, but our friends and neighbors are not immune. Their cars are getting lower mpg's also. If they say they are not getting lower mpg's, they are either oblivious or telling a little white lie. You can't beat the laws of physics. Good luck! :beerchug:

Hi The Canadian. :D Well, it certainly isn't normal. Next time it snows, drive to your Dealership. Plan the drive so that the lights will come on, and still be on when you get there. When you get there, don't turn off the car (if switching off the ignition means the lights will be off when you restart). This way you can show them the vehicle while the lights are on, and the fault will be obvious. If the lights are not on, it may be difficult for them to find the problem. Good luck! :beerchug:

Hi rich22grav. :D Any of the top car care product companies make good carpet and upholstery cleaners. I would recommend either Meguiar's or Mother's brands. There are other good ones, they are just my two favorites. They will be carried in any of your major auto parts chains, WalMart, K-Mart, etc, etc. Good luck! :beerchug:

Hi Booterr60. :D Congratulations on your new Edge. Hope you enjoy many safe and happy miles! Good luck! :beerchug:

Hi skyhound. :D If I click on your link, it will not come up. However, you can have a trailer hitch added to your Edge, and then get one of the many kits that use the hitch to attach a rack for various uses. They do have them for snowboards. There are also other options, but that would be one. Good luck! :beerchug:

Hi Tom. :D It is just my opinion, but it is hard to get an accurate view from pictures. I would recommend you go to your local Dealer and just look at the various colors in actual in-stock vehicles. You will get a much more representative idea there. Or, you can wait for someone to possibly post pictures that aren't too dark, too light, taken with a cheap camera, poor lighting, etc, etc. Whatever you decide to do, good luck! :beerchug:

Hi Kevin. :D Yes, that is why America is such a great country. We can all do/buy whatever we like, and whatever makes us happy (as long as we don't hurt anyone else :angel: )! Good luck with your CUV (Edge, MKX?). :beerchug:

:yup: Hey, I think there is something wrong with my screen resolution. I can see the headlights on the front end of the first picture but I can't see any headlights on this...ummm...uhhh...hmmm...uh...nevermind! :cheerleader: Holy Hooters!!! Now that is a front end bra that I would pay money for!!! :beerchug:

_____ _____ _____ _____ Hi Hardhawk. :D Funny story...or ironic maybe? I actually first typed "turn on the rear window defroster", then before I hit "ADD REPLY" I said to myself, "Self, you better change it to 'switch on', or somebody is going to say..." At the time, I actually did not think of the Cadillac advertisement, only the "double entendre". I'm glad you didn't let me down though! Good luck! :beerchug: PS - However, when I view 07 MKX's signature picture, I feel oddly turned on, and all tingly in my nether parts. I don't know why, it is only the front end of a car, right?

Hi LJEDGE. :D While the shroud may help, it is most likely not the only reason the MKX is quieter. If the MKX/Edge pair are like the MKZ/Fusion/Milan siblings, there are at least several other differences which would lead to the quieter cabin. The MKX will have thicker door glass (not sure about the windshield), extra weather/sound seals on the door area and also extra sound proofing material in the passenger compartment and firewall area. I have a 2007 MKZ. I helped my neighbor purchase a loaded 2007 Fusion SEL on the X-Plan. There is the same, quite noticeable NVH (Noise, Vibration, Harshness) difference between the MKZ and the Fusion as you mention with the MKX and Edge. Just several of the hidden reasons (along with the visible ones) why an MKX costs more. Let me also add (before anyone feels the need to defend their purchases) that I think the Fusion/Milan and Edge are also great vehicles, and would have no problem owning one myself. Just all a matter of choice. America is a great country, "don'tcha think"! Good luck! :beerchug:

Hi ie2. :D When you switch on the rear window defroster, the side view mirror defrosters also switch on. It's explained in the Owners Manual. Good luck! :beerchug:

Hi bic. :D Essentially. it is as simple as this: You are correct. "Most" people who will purchase an AWD vehicle will never really "need" it (the AWD). That being said, there are people living in areas of the country/world who do/will need AWD.. In some cases it will just be to get them to work, because they have to get there no matter what. They do not have the luxury of staying home in a blizzard like the rest of us (Police, Firemen, Doctors, Nurses, Paramedics, Utility Workers, etc, etc.). All of the people who keep things running while most of us are home, safe and warm. For others, they live in remote parts of the country where AWD just may mean the difference between living and dying if they are traveling and a severe storm hits. After all, there are parts of the country (great parts of the Southwest, the Rockies, the Northwest etc, etc.) where you can drive for a day without seeing another living soul. AWD may just give you that extra "EGDE" (pun intended) to get you where you need to be (or out of where you are). Otherwise, you get stuck, you may die. :rip: No cell phone coverage, no convenience stores. I mean really remote, much different than New England or the Mid-Atlantic States. Again, I agree with you that most people are spending money for no tangible benefit. But what the heck, that is a big part of car purchasing anyway. Let's face it, if we all bought what we "needed", we could all spend one third the money, and be driving subcompacts. Good luck! :beerchug: PS - As you can see, one of my cars is a 2007 MKZ. Factory ordered. FWD. Living in NJ, I could not justify the added cost and complexity, nor the lower fuel economy. But I would not tell anyone else they should not get AWD, if they want to pay for it. I also did not order the NAV System. I think it is a waste of money, others cannot live without it. Which opinion is correct? Both are!

Hi jaysonol. :D The Ford employees who help out at the Blue Oval Forums do not update requests every day. They are doing this on their own time, so they perform updates as they can. Also, keep in mind that with the Holiday plant closings, they are not in the office/plant as often as usual. Just be sure to keep your VIN request on the first page. If it drops off the first page, just bump your old request, do not post a new request. They are very good there, and will get to it. Good luck! :beerchug:

Hi Edgieguy. :D X-Plan price is the same whether they have it in stock, trade with another Dealer, or Factory Order one. And trust me, they would rather have been able to have it in stock or trade, as then the sale would be closed faster. As simple as your order may seem to you, it often is not as easy as we think. For example, it may be hard to find Edge's with the BAMR (an expensive option), 20 inch wheels (another expensive option), but without either or both the Sirius Radio or NAV system. Often times you will see either fully loaded models, or lower cost, soccer mom models (no 20 inch wheels). These are the easiest to sell, and the least likely to sit on the lot for a year. My situation was much the same when I ordered my 2007 MKZ. We wanted the Alloy Metallic Clearcoat Paint, Light Stone with Dark Ebony Wood Interior, HID Headlamps, Cooled Seats and Chrome Wheels. But we did not want the NAV System, Moonroof or Sirius Radio. All of the in-stock vehicles were either fully loaded, or did not have the 3 options I wanted. However, in my case, I did not care, as I was Factory Ordering, no matter what. I prefer a Factory Order to buying from the lot. In this way, the car comes in exactly as I want it, no extra options I did not want, no missing options, no settling for second choice colors. It arrives at the Dealership with my name on the Window Sticker and has not/will not be test driven by God-knows-who. Just my own personal choice, as I know others prefer to buy from the lot. To each his own, right? Also, you can check Dealer Inventories yourself by going to LINK - FordDirect.com. Click on "Search Inventory" and follow the directions to search your local Dealers, or Dealers in any other ZIP Code you would like. Anyway, best of luck with the new Edge! :beerchug:

You are very welcome akbob. Best of luck with your new Edge. :beerchug:

Hi akbob. :D Okay, let's try to answer your questions one at a time. First off, as to the price. It is not a bad price. The only way you would be able to do much better would be if you had a family member or friend who worked for Ford. I get the feeling the Dealer is saying that he is charging you only $150 over "Invoice"? Is that the case? If it is, the price is very close to that amount (except for the "Doc Fee", but I will explain that later ). Let's go over the figures: According to my calculations (from the Ford AXZD-Plan website), the actual "Invoice" price for that vehicle, optioned as you want, is $33,508. This includes "FDAF", gas and "Destination/Delivery". Add $150 to that and you have $33,658. Then you would just need to add the tax, title and "Doc Fee" (which we all know is a bogus fee, manufactured by Dealerships to pump up their profit). The Dealer is charging you $33,673.50, so their calculator is not "too" far off. :shades: If the Dealer is charging you any more than $75-$100 for that "Doc Fee", I would try to have them lower it (or removed completely). They are already making a tidy profit on the sale, as without getting into 'Holdback" and other details, the Dealer actually pays well below the "Invoice" price for that vehicle. So all in all, you are not getting a bad price, just do not let them nickel and dime you with the "Doc Fee" or other charges. Next question. Yes, if the price changes before your vehicle is produced and delivered, that is usually passed on to the buyer. Considering the state of car sales, and the economy, you should not need to worry about that much. However, if your vehicle comes in and they try to tell you that happened, insist on seeing the original "Factory Invoice" (not some doctored copy), and have them show you exactly where the price changed. Since they are changing the terms of the original purchase contract, you certainly have that right. Finally, as to the Incentives. Yes, the Dealer is correct. You are entitled to the Incentives at the time of delivery, not at the time you order. Again, I would not worry much. While anything can happen, my educated guess would be that they will either remain the same, or possibly increase as the winter progresses. Hope this information has been helpful (and not too confusing). Good luck! :beerchug: PS - And when comparing "purchase prices", you cannot compare "lease" pricing to actual "purchase prices". They are two completely different transactions. In leases, there is no "purchase" by the buyer. They are long term renting. And no matter how low a price they "think" they got for the "purchase price", the Dealer is more than making it up in the other complexities of the lease contract.