European rear fog lights

[Wubster100]

They probably said that it won't fit because the USA market never had the option for rear fog lights, therefore all Edges from USA market will be incompatible. You may have to compare the physical dimensions of a regular USA rear reflector to a European rear reflector with the fog light to determine if the fog light will fit.

[Wubster100]

2019-2024 reflector panel - left, rear

(USA, no light) KT4Z15A449B

[WilkiST]

I think i'll take that risk and order one to check. If i buy from Poland i can send it back easily if not ok. Will post.

[enigma-2]

Good luck with that. @SEGREY from Ukraine (earlier in this thread) said he tried it & it didn't fit. 

 

You got my curiosity up now, let us know if it fits or not. 

[WilkiST]

I've found the following locally: 

KT4Z-15A-449-A

 

The question now is the difference between KT4Z-15A-449-A and KT4Z-15A-449-B.

I know 448 is for the passenger side, 449 is for driver side. But i'm not sure about the last letter - A or B. It seems version with "A" is hard to find and 99% of searches give part numbers with "B" at the end. 

Visually, on the photos, both looks the same.

 

 

 

[enigma-2]

Its been my experience that either will fit perfectly. I'm only guessing but I would assume the difference could be as small as different suppliers or a small, non important modification. Several sites state that the B version supercedes the A, indicating that when the A runs out, use B. If they were truly different parts, the part number 449 would change.

[BMWR1200c]

@WilkiST I ordered these a few weeks ago for my 2020 SEL. I think I paid $60 for the set of two lights in matt black. They should be arriving soon. Gotta figure out how to get the old reflectors out first. Risky way is to remove the tail light and pull the rear quarter out a bit, but risk breaking the tabs. Gonna try removing a few screws from the rear wheel well liner and see if I can access the reflectors. Probably less destructive. Then tapping into the hot and ground for the tail lights and I should have rear running lights. This car is severely lacking in rear lights.

https://zeus3d.net/products/2019-ford-edge-rear-reflector-replacement?srsltid=AfmBOoqC4C6BEDD2f_Ky6cmSY3ZnLJ8kEZ4oxtcuLtSbwlix69o2GPG2

Edited October 29, 2024 by BMWR1200c

[Haz]

From the 2022-2024 Edge Workshop Manual, and attached below as PDF documents...

 

Good luck!

 

1. On both sides.
   Remove the push nuts, release the tabs and remove the rear reflector.

 

Rear Lamp Assembly - Removal and Installation - 2022-2024 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Rear Bumper Cover - Removal and Installation - 2022-2024 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Rear Bumper Cover - Disassembly and Assembly - 2022-2024 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf

[BMWR1200c]

Thanks. Same instructions for my 2020 SEL?

[BMWR1200c]

Also, what's the correct lug nut torque? Thanks!

[Haz]

@BMWR1200c: The 2020 Edge Workshop Manual procedures are identical to the above-attached 2022-2024 Edge Workshop Manual procedures.

 

Wheel lug nut torque is contained in the attached PDF document...

 

Good luck!

 

Wheel and Tire - Removal and Installation - 2020 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf

[WilkiST]

Story continues: analyzing wiring schematics from @Haz and comparing with Service Manual i have - built based on my Edge ST VIN. 

Steps to be followed as per my understanding:

1. Install light switch module ( HEADLAMP SWITCH) with one that has rear fog switch button. Already done.

2. check if wire (CLF57) connecting HEADLAMP SWITCH module, pin 2 (REAR FOG) is in place and go to BCM pin 8 (REAR FOG). 

     What if there is no wire? To run a wire is not a problem from HEADLAMP SWITCH side. But how about BCM side? My VIN based Service Manual says BCM C2280G connector pin 8 is "not used". If there is no metal contact there then what? If it is only about putting metal pins in the connector (harness side) and crimp a wire then the question is - where to get suitable pin from? If BCM side pin is missing then... Don't tell me i have to take the whole BCM out of the car, open it and solder/whatever new connection inside:) Then another question to you guys - how the heck to take it out? Or even how to have some access to BCM? I saw BCM during installation of HEADLAMP SWITCH - it is so deep under the dash and there is zero room for hands not mentioning any manipulation around connectors! 

3. Check if there is wire (SBB67) going from BATTERY JUNCTION BOX connector C1035A, pin 6, to BCM connector C2280B, pin 21:

 

By looking at the wiring schematic it looks like this wire (SBB67) is specific for REAR FOG lamps - is it truth? But then 50 Amps fuse?! Or maybe this schematic is simplified and inside BCM this wire powers more things?

At least I'm bit positive here and my VIN based Service Manual shows C2280B bin is occupied:

 

4. Check is there is, if not, run new wire from BCM connector C2280F, pin 25, all the way to the back of the car to connector C438 (if exist...) and to DIY lamps - do it yourself as i haven't found OEM lamps that fit in place of original reflectors in my bumper (USA ST, 2022):( Then the other wire (negative) to some ground point in the back.

And here again, my VIN based Service Manual shows BCM connector C2280F, pin 25 is not used:

 

 

...so the same question on how to install it:/

 

5. Adapting the whole system to make it work - will it work straight away after the connections are made or some adaptation/programming is necessary? ForScan - how, what modules, etc - but for the moment i need to win points 1-4...

 

When i get back home i'll try to find some time and do detailed checks and make how-to story for anyone interested to follow the same path.

 

Please put some light on the topics highlighted above. Those missing wires and empty slots in BCM worries me the most.

Thanks!