GT500R

My money would be on Meth/Water injection to lower temps and raise octane

Hey guys, Just wanted to share my experience with the I purchased it through the Ford Fusion forum as "darkstar" (guy who sells them) advised they fit the Edge! Overall - shifts seem a bit more on point with less slop, I don't really feel any vibration at all. I have no wheel hop despite me launching around 2300 rpm, just a bunch of AWD (mostly front) spinning (cold weather with stock tires). Install was pretty easy with only two bolts to remove, the user manual advises to put the car in Neutral (FYI) and the larger wrench really aided with torque (125 ft. lbs) This was definitely a better purchase especially once I realized under the car I could move the trans assembly with my hand when not connected ::eek:: Pics -

It probably would help a little bit, but as I posted above, those temps are so high at the end of a run it might not do much in the end. Have it coded out like I did or remove them completely like Nick. KR = Knock Retard In my words - when the ECU detects any kind of knock due to too much heat or poor fuel or too lean, etc it removes timing from the ignition so you don't blow the car up. In the Internets words - Knock retard is when the PCM detects detonation. All internal combustion engines have detonation. Knock retard is the amount of spark advance the PCM removes to stay below the detonation threshold. The PCM is very fast at detecting knock and I keep the knock sensor set at the most sensitive settings. I also have it set to pull twice as much timing as knock is detected. so when you see kr of 2.0. then PCM was only needing to pull 1* of timing. In the stock PCM logic, vehicles constantly push to the point of sensing knock, as this is where you can safely run the most amount of spark advance. Doing this provides the best amount of power and fuel economy as that is where the engine is most efficient for the fuel that is being burned. It is common too see kr at part throttle and it serves as no harm as long as the engine isn't heavily loaded. If you are cruising and happen to glance at the AP and a high number is registered on the high/low of the AP, it is generally noise picked up by the knock sensor and of no concern. A general rule of thumb is kr of up to 2.0 is perfectly acceptable at wot (wide open throttle/heavy load), but you want it as clean as possible. So when you take a look at the V3 tune (100 octane), you can see that as KR goes UP, Timing goes DOWN and you loose power at the end of the run, but you have some pretty strong timing in the beginning - No problem. Bingo :P

I tried the Torco and the Race gas but felt the Race gas had a better effect on reduction of timing pull. Interesting. And yeah it's FWD biased so they will spin, maybe lower the front tire pressure to 28 or so next time.

As Nick mentioned, the guy from the Fusion Forums makes it. Matt Triplett - talontsi37@gmail.com I ran logs for Leo's car when we went to the track 2 weeks ago. I have the original LMS tune logs to compare to also. But I can see through logging how the car is tuned, and you can see KR is a big factor once you hit 3rd gear as it jumps up pretty high and timing is pulled A LOT... I don't think so, I opened up the stock grille to get more air to the intercooler but found it didn't help at all despite getting 23% more air.

That's usually what I go for, 2k - 2.3k but have slightly better 60', odd. I think there is a funnel in the trunk under the cover in the trunk you could have used. If anything you should try out Race Gas fuel concentrate as Leo on the FB has had good success with it. https://www.amazon.com/RACE-GAS-Race-Fuel-Concentrate-Octane/dp/B015HRK7ZS/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1512399106&sr=1-1&keywords=race+gas

I think you have two options at this point. Garrett - with a larger size where you have to modify/cut some of the pieces where the stock intercooler sits - but provides great cooling vs. stock. CXRacing - same size intercooler core (5% bigger actually) and is made by Chiseled Performance in Florida - provides better cooling then stock. The graph below is stock intercooler with V3 tune showing 25*C (77*F) at the start to 75*C (167*F) which is crazy how hot it gets (0-106 mph)

Launch that car a bit harder! If you can get around 1.9 or a bit higher you'll see 13.2-13.3 I think one last thing to consider is the winter blend (is that a thing in Texas?) gas from the V3 tune that will affect your times. And if they are adding more boost with a less than ideal octane you'll see slower times as the KR will rise.

What was the DA for the 13.56 time on the V3 tune? What were your 60' for each run? I think the tune has 13.1 in it at best with a really good launch in stock form but not much other then that. Their dyno sheets have some questioning since they dyno in 3rd gear and isn't a 1:1 ratio.

I tracked one for Leo on FB, 13.2x @ 104 - but he also has springs and thermostat, and isn't 100% stock with a good DA of -800 or so. Are you in Texas? When did you run the V2 tune and when did you run the V3 tune? What were conditions and DA for each. The problem with the tune is they cram a LOT of boost in there and when you get up to the upper mph the stock intercooler is done and charge temps go through the ROOF killing your power. I logged the V3 tune and its not good at all in the upper mph range.

Interesting that it happens on the aggressive tune. I think the Sport shift logic is a bit more crisp, I would try that. Also interested at your track times.... can you share? FWD or AWD?

It is a direct drop in actually - no modifications required or pieces to cut. The core is 5% bigger and is bar and plate, all aluminum. The cooling aspect is decent (~15*F drop in temps vs stock intercooler) but obviously if you get a bigger core, the gains are better but you need to do some cutting and is almost double the price for what I paid.

Updated thread to include the E30 vs. LMS 100 race octane tune battle.

I am using straight 100 octane mixed with the smallest amount of 93

Pretty close to each other. Best 1/4 on 93 is Unleashed with worse DA and same for 100 octane

Sounds good to me! If you can head to a track that would be very accurate also to compare times. Updated thread with Unleashed 1/4 mile times also.

Going to need more then a compressor wheel upgrade for 500 awhp. I am sure there are plenty of US turbo shops who can add a larger compressor wheel / clip turbine for our turbos.

Bump, added 100 octane tune from LMS. I will update this thread more recently as I have more data on Unleashed, thanks!

Nick I can't find any front pictures of your Edge with the front bumper off and a closeish picture of the intercooler. Can you post here please or send on FB? I need to see space around the end tanks. Thanks

Apparently this guy in Albuquerque NM is making intercoolers for the Fusion Sport and asked if he can replicate one for the Edge Sport... need someone to be on site in order to fit it.\ http://www.fusionsportforums.com/forum/225-fusion-v6-sport-performance/12297-front-mount-intercooler.html http://www.autoperformancealbuquerque.com/ Who is near Albuquerque NM to offer their car for a fitting? Thanks!

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Not sure max temp but here is how hot the cats get during a full throttle run with a stock tune - http://www.datazap.me/u/gt500r/2015-ford-edge-sport-awd-2?log=0&data=6-9-10 Click the "cat temp" to see

And you couldn't tell which was new or used and you still bought the new one I would say your consumer skills are lacking severely. It's like seeing a DVD that was played twice and was $5 cheaper then the new one and you were like "no way my DVD player will touch the likes of a used DVD" LOL

Returning it back to stock. Include shipping and tax and you are over $599. You pretty much have to do the exact process as buying a new one minus sending me money.... and you save $75.

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