RC Mike

Maybe you're not aware of how it appears, but you seem to be quite invested into whether or not people buy these. It's one thing to talk about how much you like them, and another to continually push people to contact a seller and use you as a referral, and then to say you've arranged a group-buy discount. I used to moderate at a forum with over 500,000 users. We had vendors and their shills working very hard to get their products in front of these folks, while not wanting to pay for advertising. I'm not saying that you or your friend should be paying for ads here, but that your behavior is very similar to theirs. It's your choice how you behave and how you come off, so I'd have to assume your intention is to drive some sales. How's it working out?

Just a sales pitch thread. Shills should be removed.

Iron Maiden (mostly post-reunion stuff), Springsteen, Sammy Hagar (surprisingly fits my mood lately), and some Rush. Going to see Maiden in June and GnR in July.

I've made a fair bit of money on F over the years. Both dividends and capital gains. Never made any money by selling at a loss.

I often pull lettuce and tomato off of the burgers I eat in restaurants. I've never asked to have my cost shaved a bit by not having them put on. The floor mats are a bit like that. It's only upsetting if you choose to be upset about it. The heated steering wheel makes my wife very happy. Her happiness matters quite a bit more than being concerned about some extremely minor cost. Besides, there are enough legitimate issues with the car to complain about. Rubber floor mats being tossed in isn't one of those. The lane assist is nice. There are enough settings in terms of notification and force of correction that it can be adjusted quite a bit. I don't wander in my lane much, so I don't feel the system very often. If you're a person who does wander, I can see it being both useful and perhaps irritating. With normal, reasonably skilled and attentive driving you'll never know it's on. The rain sensing wipers are taking some getting used to, but I like them.

I had a rental '15 with the 2.0L while on vacation last year, own a '16 Sport with the 2.7L, and had a '17 3.5L as a rental in March while ours was in the shop (steering wheel replacement). The Sport is just plain fun to drive. I'd be fine with the 2.0L, which seemed to have plenty of pep and torque. I wasn't very enthusiastic about the 3.5L. It just seemed flat and drove very similarly to my 2008 Town and Country with an old pushrod 3.8L. Those are just my impressions from driving. You'll find a lot of different opinions on the longevity and reliability of the 2.0L vs the 3.5L. Having looked at this a lot last year, the general consensus at the time was that the 2.0L was too new for anyone to have any long-term opinions that were based on data. Lots of conjecture, but little hard data.

Pretty sure you'd say it was no big deal no matter how inconvenient it were. Asking for improvements is a reasonable thing. Not being satisfied with poor design is a reasonable thing, too.

You're going to love the Sport. I've logged at least a few hundred miles on each of the three available engines. Driving with the 2.7L is just plain fun. The 2.0L was nice. The 3.5L? It felt a lot like driving my 2008 Chrysler T&C. I don't find the Sport seats grabby. My wife is the primary driver, and she likes them. I'm 5'11" and 275 lbs. She's 5'6" and 120 lbs (oh, now I'm in trouble...). It surprising to me that we both found the SEL seats lacking and that neither of us had a real preference between the Titanium and Sport seats.

Having just spent about two weeks with SEL seats, two weeks in December with Titanium, and owning a Sport... The SELs were definitely the worst, and noticeably so. I don't really have a preference between the Sport and Titanium. The SELs had some strange pressure points and thin/ineffective cushioning.

Our wheel was replaced yesterday, after having the car at the dealer for 19 days. They also took care of the airbag recall and a TSB related to the rear seat not releasing from the rear switch.

Got mine done yesterday.

Way to continually drag the thread off the topic...

Found out from the dealership that a large batch of steering wheels is being distributed on April 5th.

That snippet you found appears dubious. There are plenty of people who don't know how to calculate MPG. I'm somewhat obsessive about recording my mileage, costs, and consumption. Road Trip is the app I use on my phone for it. Syncs up with the app on my wife's, so it doesn't matter who puts in the gas.

16-17 is what we experienced the first 1,000 miles or so. We're at 3,200 now, and are closer to 20. On the rare occasions when I drive it, I enjoy it. Bought it for the fun, not the MPG. Having had a loaner with a 3.5 for a week, I'm very happy we chose the 2.7. The difference is night and day. It's not just how you accelerate, it's the totality of how you drive. Search for hyper-miler websites, and you'll find a lot of info.

Gosh, could it be the ones that are blinding oncoming drivers? This isn't rocket science. It's self-centered buffoons. Poorly done vehicle modifications are pathetic. When they create safety hazards for others, they're immoral.

Ding dongs with HID hack jobs are a menace. Very selfish people.

Doing a trade-in is never the way to maximize your old vehicle's value. Convenience has a cost.

We started getting the adaptive steering fault on Monday. We had an appointment to get a couple of other issues addressed this morning. The dealer is ordering a new steering wheel, which is of course still on backorder. It's my wife's car, and she didn't feel comfortable driving it with the fault regularly appearing. The steering was still centered properly. She tried to get the dealer to cannibalize another '16 Sport that they have on the lot, but they declined. They're giving her a '17 Edge as a loaner until they get things resolved.

As a diehard smartphone user and a person who really appreciates the thought that goes into good UI, I can say that the Edge cluster really has a lot of room for improvement. akirby, you've been very accepting of the design. Perhaps you just don't have the same passion for great UI?

Software is customizable. Ford didn't optimize the font styles, sizes, graphic sizes, or placement. All of that is the easy part. The hard part is anticpating what drivers will actually find useful, informative, and digestible at a glance. Let alone any real ability to customize the display in meaningful ways. It all seems like an afterthought on a pretty decent vehicle.

Garmin and Tomtom units really do a better job of this sort of thing. I'm disappointed in my 2016 Edge's integration of nav info into both the dash and radio display. If feels like very little effort was put into it. This technology has been around a long time, and it's not hard to see how competitors and 3rd parties have done it better. It feels like Ford was just checking off feature boxes, rather than attempting to really produce a great, driver-centric system.

If you're in the mindset of a mechanical steering linkage, then that kind of photo certainly would be disturbing. The adaptive steering, as I understand it, has no mechanical linkage. Drive by wire, basically. Wherever the computer determines the neutral point to be, that's where it is. Much like calibrating a joystick back in the old days. Intuitively disturbing, yes, but when you understand the type of steering it is, it's not quite so disturbing. I can see how it isn't a dire safety issue. Not that I'd want to deal with it.

Ford has sold almost a quarter million of the Gen 2s. Figure many tens of thousands of those are regularly defrosting the rear window. If it were common, we'd hear more than a handful of reports. Use your defroster.

No, which is why I'm here asking. Cleaning it is obvious--I'm looking for a way to prevent the problem. I'm not much on treating symptoms, more about wanting a cure. Put another way, I'm happier with modern plumbing than an outhouse. If some folks prefer the outhouse, that's their choice. The weather striping idea is worth looking into. I don't believe it's a vacuum issue, as the Edge in Hawaii got quite a bit of wet, heavy mud into that area from some dirt roads.