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Always let your dealership know up front that you are an X-Plan buyer (in the rules). Once you have decided on a vehicle and you want the purchase price, give the sales manager the VIN and ask them to run a VinCent report on it. They will need your Zip Code. The report will ask if it is a purchase or lease. If you are not sure, ask them to figure both. If it is a purchase, they will ask if you are going to finance through Ford Motor Credit. FMC may have incentives also. The vehicle may have additional incentives, and they should ask you if you qualify for any of them. Auto show coupons, AARP or AQHA, etc. affiliations sometimes have additional incentives. Additionally, the vehicle may have been invoiced with a short term factory incentive or price adjustment that would not be available on other like vehicles. (AQHA = American Quarter Horse Association) If your X-Plan was through your employer, ask your employer if they have any additional incentives, also. The Vincent report will tell the sales manager all of the possible incentives for which you might be eligible (except those your employer might offer on top of Ford's deal.) Most sales personnel would not have access to the Vincent reports and that is why they almost universally go to the sales managers for prices or to respond to offers. This is also why you cannot go by what someone else paid for a vehicle to set your offer price on a non-plan purchase. Every vehicle and every deal can be different.

MKX - not Mark Ten. We have both the MKX and the Edge. After driving the wife's MKX, I decided I could love the Edge also. The MKX is sweeter, but both are great vehicles. :happy feet: :happy feet:

I tend to agree with Tom - I also traded in an F-150 with crank windows, etc. The grand daughters wanted to ride in the "Truck" because they had never seen crank windows before (and Mom couldn't hit a switch and lock them.) Cheap entertainment. I was getting about 14 MPG in the F-Series and I am averaging 21.9 with the Edge. Just over 2,000 miles. :happy feet: :happy feet:

With all due respect to "bbf" - when I was promoting ESP to dealerships there was a surcharge of $100 after 12/12. Here is a quote from the Q&A section of FordESP.com-- Q. What time period do I have to make an ESP purchase and when does it go into effect? A. You can purchase an ESP program anytime during the standard warranty period, which is 3-years or 36,000 miles on all Ford and Mercury products, 4-years or 50,000 miles for Lincoln products. A surcharge of $100.00 is added if the Plan is purchased after 12-months or 12,000 miles. Your Plan always starts with the original in-service date and with zero miles, regardless of when you purchase the Plan. Some things have changed since I retired, but not that. So my original caveat stands. The dealership must pay an additional $100 for the plan, and presumably they will pass that on to the buyer in the pricing. :shades:

You don't have to look far to find a situation where a vehicle owner thought not following the manufacturers recommendations on oil change intervals or not using properly spec'd products was "OK" and they were subsequently denied warranty coverage by the vehicle manufacturer. Engine damage due to sludge is not warrantable. Engine damage due to overheating because the wrong lubricants were used is not warrantable. (Oil is a temperature regulator also.) Engine damage due to "lack of lubrication" is not warrantable. (Wrong weight of oil used, oil run low, etc.) Don't even think that a hand full of receipts, or a copy of Magnuson-Moss or a copy of somebody's post on a forum will change their minds. Proper lubrication and maintenance of the engine is the owner's responsibility. It is not the manufacturer's responsibility if somebody uses incorrect products or improper oil change intervals. If "Corner Luber" uses 30w oil (because it's cheaper), wipes off the filter rather than change it, puts in 4 quarts instead of 5-6 quarts, improperly installs a drain plug or filter, etc. then it's between you and them. If you trust that other products will provide proper lubrication at extended maintenace intervals, then I hope you never have a maintenance related problem.

After 12/12, I believe the price of an ESP contract goes up $100 - check it out before you go over 12,000 miles or 12 months.

When I hired on in Michigan, I was driving a new Super Sport Chevelle. I took a lot of ribbing and finally dumped it 9 months later. Since then we have had over 110 new Fords, Lincolns, Mercurys, Jaguars and Merkurs. (Today, the SS396 Chevelle would be worth more than any of the Ford's, but who could know?)

We have both and the MKX has a "cushier" ride (my wife describes it the same way). The MKX is heavier and has different springs and strut rebound rates. There is so much that goes into the ride feel, like: weight, spring and strut rates, sound deadning, seat cushion and material, feedback through the steering wheel, tire/wheel combination, etc. They feel different, because there are a lot of differences. The MKX ride is superior to our Edge ride, but the seat is more comfortable and sound deadning is better which contributes to the "Feel". It will be interesting to see how the "Sport" Edge suspension has been changed. That might be a source for upgrades to the Edge suspension. :happy feet:

I looked back at the notes I took when buying the Edge (2007) and Ford Credit assumed thast the resale value would be 60% of MSRP after 24 months, 50% after 36 months and 42% after 48 months. Assuming you bought an Edge that has an MSRP of $30,000 for $27,000, you should assume it would be worth about $18,000 (dealer trade-in) after 2 years. $12,000 depreciation from MSRP or $9,000 from your acquisition price. The next year it loses $3,000 and the year after $2,400. Thus, the expected deprecistion cost per year after: 2 years = $4,500 /year 3 years = $4,000 /year 4 years = $3,800 /year That is about as good as it gets for any Ford product. And if you can sell it yourself at market prices instead of wholesale trade-in, your cost per year is even less.

I'll second the motion not to try it yourself, even with the tool. My windshield was replaced and the glass installer had a whale of a time removing the mirror, even with the correct tool (it slipes under the mountint bezel and releases a tab that holds the mirror to the bracket.) He could not get it to release and had to break the mounting from the glass and put it in a vise to release the mounting tab. You can easily break the windshield trying to put enough pressure on the tab to release it. That is why you want someone else to remove the mirror. When it breaks, it's on them. Better yet, just leave it alone.

As has been pointed out, states differ on what is a truck and what is a car. The Federal Govt. accepts the Edge as a truck because it can carry "Stuff" on a flat load floor. In those states where there is no financial incentive to show it one way or the other - no harm/no foul. Some states, however, tax cars differently than trucks. There is where I would want the title clerk at the dealership to put the "lowest cost" alternative (car/truck) on the title application. I'm sure most tag offices go by whatever the tag application says. You can certainly argue that they are trucks if the Federal Govt. classifies them as such. You can bet that Ford likes to include them in the truck category to help CAFE.

Not in Atlanta - my reverse sensors were $245 on my 1997 SEL. It was not even included in the $1,555 Premium package. Back to the topic - if you don't plan on keeping your vehicles for over two to three years, then you should buy F150's - very low depreciation in the first 12 months.

The dealership has already paid for the 6 months on those vehicles that have Sirius. If you do not want it, order a new vehicle without it. Nobody can turn it back in for credit.

"probably time for a couple horses and buggies. (i do live in an amish town)" Then you have to buy hay - and what about the emissions?

Basic Economics - stop using oil and the price will drop.

Ford employees would not generally be permitted to respond to forum questions. Anything they would say would need to be approved by Company lawyers - so don't wait for that. Since the Edge is a multi-purpose vehicle - (can carry "Stuff" as well as people) the Feds calssify it as a "light truck". From Wikipedia: "The United States government uses light truck as a vehicle class in regulating fuel economy through the Corporate Average Fuel Economy standard. The class includes vans, minivans, sport utility vehicles, and pickup trucks. Light trucks have lower fuel economy standards than cars, under the premise that these vehicles are used for utilitarian purposes rather than personal transportation." A dealer might have put passenger vehicle instead of "Truck" on the title application- therefore the standard passenger vehicle tag?????

Get the Ultimate package on the MKX which includes Adaptive Headlamps - makes HID yesterday's toys. :shades:

The filter will remove debris. If you are paramoid, change just the filter at 1,000 miles. Leave the factory fill oil in for at least 3,000 miles to seat the rings,

This has been beaten to a pulp several times. Do a search and amaze yourself with the information available from this fine forum. :shades:

Each order from eash dealer is different. The key questions are: Does the dealer have allocation for April production? (If not, then it will be longer.) What priority did the dealer put on the order and are there other orders in the dealer's "order bank" with a higher priority? (Higher priorities generally get scheduled and built first.) Did you order any commodities that are in short supply? Assuming no problems with scheduling, you should know some status within 2 or 3 weeks. The Ford scheduling computers are updated on Thursday evenings. Call them at the end of March on Friday or Monday to see if they have any scheduling info from Ford. The salesperson won't know, so you will have to ask them to check their order input person for status. :shades:

If I were going to spend $32k+, I would get the MKX. If you don't need 7 pass, why spend the extra bucks? I'm guessing not too many people here have any experience with the CX9 - why not ask on a Mazda board?

There are a lot of standard equipment and option differences, but it comes down to 7 pass vs. 5 and all of that for only $5,000 more for the CX9. Go to Truedata.com and compare them - that will help you decide. If 7 pass is not important, compare the CX7 to the Edge. If you want to spend the extra bucks for 7 pass, look at the Flex also.

There were some 1 year deals out there for a short period. I got a notice from Sirius that my 6 months was coming up and an offer to renew. I did the 6 months at $51.80 - that was the cheapest monthly rate. Go to sirius.com and get their rates. :shades:

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Ask the dealer who the previous owner was and hound them for the extra key. Appears like they didn't turn it in when they traded-in the vehicle. All new vehicles will have two keys. When you buy used, luck of the draw. At a minimum, the dealership should sell it to you at a wholesale price, and program it for you at internal labor rates - not retail.