johnmarkp Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 I love most everything about my 2019 ST. The bumpy ride at low speeds does get to be a pain. I am pretty sure that the shocks from a Lincoln Nautilus will fit my car. While adding the full Nautilus active suspension is theoretically possible, the cost and degree of difficulty are high. I am wondering if I could add just the adjustable shocks? What I don't know is how they are controlled. Most likely by adjusting the shock dampers using variable voltage. If I could get the voltage range, I could create the control system to vary the shock ratio. Does anyone know which system they use on the shocks? I am sure that the service manual would include this information. Thanks in advance. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omar302 Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 You will also need the module that'll control the adaptive dampers and ride hight sensors for each corner. Shocks alone would not be "adaptive" without the software controlling them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haz Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 (edited) The Vehicle Dynamics Control Module (VDM) processes an impressive array of inputs to do its job... Document download links> Vehicle Dynamic Suspension - System Operation and Component Description - 2019 Nautilus Workshop Manual.pdf Vehicle Dynamic Suspension - Component Location - 2019 Nautilus Workshop Manual.pdf Vehicle Dynamic Suspension - Wiring Diagram, Cell 041 Page 1 - 2019 Nautilus Workshop Manual.pdf Vehicle Dynamic Suspension - Wiring Diagram, Cell 041 Page 2 - 2019 Nautilus Workshop Manual.pdf Vehicle Dynamic Suspension - Wiring Diagram, Cell 041 Page 3 - 2019 Nautilus Workshop Manual.pdf Vehicle Dynamics Control Module (VDM) - Connector C4396C Details - 2019 Nautilus Workshop Manual.pdf Vehicle Dynamics Control Module (VDM) - Connector C4396D Details - 2019 Nautilus Workshop Manual.pdf Vehicle Dynamics Control Module (VDM) - Connectors C4396C & C4396D Location - 2019 Nautilus Workshop Manual.pdf Vehicle Dynamics Control Module (VDM) - Removal and Installation - 2019 Nautilus Workshop Manual.pdf Vehicle Dynamic Suspension - Diagnosis and Testing - 2019 Nautilus Workshop Manual.pdf Front Suspension Height Sensor - Removal and Installation - 2019 Nautilus Workshop Manual.pdf Front Strut and Spring Assembly - Removal and Installation - 2019 Nautilus Workshop Manual.pdf Rear Suspension Height Sensor - Removal and Installation - 2019 Nautilus Workshop Manual.pdf Rear Shock Absorber - Removal and Installation - 2019 Nautilus Workshop Manual.pdf Good luck! Edited April 23, 2023 by Haz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnmarkp Posted April 23, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 Haz, Thanks. Getting the full system to work would take a lot of work. Not sure if it can even be turned on in software on an Edge. I could still do a dumb system that only changes the shock damping if I can figure out the voltage used and the PWM range. Probably 12 volts. Maybe some brave forum member has this on their Lincoln and can measure the voltage with an oscilloscope.I am not holding my breath. I will try and find a shock somewhere to play with. I can use an Arduino to create the PWM signal. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omar302 Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 Reading the System Operation & Component Description, it is interesting to know that even the fuel level is considered in the Adaptive Suspension calculations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigma-2 Posted May 7, 2023 Report Share Posted May 7, 2023 If you're considering manual, why not just go with air shocks. Lot cheaper and old technology. Want a stiffer ride, just pump them up (and don't forget a mouth guard). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnmarkp Posted May 25, 2023 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2023 I have done some research in this and I think it can be done. This would be for the adjustable shocks only, not the full adaptive setup. I did confirm that they use a 12 volt PWM system. Most likely this can be replicated with an Arduino and the their motor shield. I am trying to find a shock at a junk yard to use as a test bed. I would take it apart and work on moving the solenoid. New ones are over $200. I am not sure how to non-destructively test it. Maybe a long lever to see how difference frequencies and PWM affect the damping. This is not an ideal way to do the testing. Anyone have a better idea how to test this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnmarkp Posted April 26, 2024 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2024 I finally bought a new shock from China for a reasonable price. I am hopeful that it functions properly. I have not found anyone who will let me hook up an oscilloscope to their adaptive suspension equipped vehicle. Still I think I can make some headway. I plan on making a jig to hold the shock which allows me to compress it and then time how long it takes to bully extend. Once that is done I will just start testing values. From what I have read they are probably using a fairly low frequency for the PWM. I will start with 200 Hz and 50% duty cycle and see what happens. It could take many tests to determine values that work. Luckily I am retired, so time it not the issue. I will report back on my progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnmarkp Posted April 27, 2024 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2024 I got the shock. It looks like the quality is OK. But who can tell from the outside. I measured the resistance of the actuator and it is within spec. The 4.2 ohms measured would yield ~3 amps at full load. So 50% will yield ~ 1.5 amps. From what I read I think that 2 amps is the max it should draw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wubster100 Posted April 16 Report Share Posted April 16 (edited) @johnmarkp Any progress of improving your ride quality? I like the “floating” feeling of the 2007 MKX, even though it doesn’t have the adaptive electronics. Edited April 16 by Wubster100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigma-2 Posted April 16 Report Share Posted April 16 (edited) @Wubster100 You ever replaced the shocks or struts on your 07? I've replaced to shocks around 120k, but not the struts. Didn't really notice much difference. 140k miles. Wonder if replacing the struts would improve Ride quality? Ride is still smooth and Ford told me the struts are still good. Ride is comfy, but no where as good as my 2004 Sable. Now that, was a smooth, comfortable ride. Best car I ever owned. Edited April 16 by enigma-2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnmarkp Posted April 16 Author Report Share Posted April 16 This is on my spring to do list. HAZ, do you have access to the wiring diagram that will give me the part number for the female connector? Is is C4044, left rear damper solenoid. Thanks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wubster100 Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 20 hours ago, enigma-2 said: You ever replaced the shocks or struts on your 07? I don’t own a 2007 MKX, but I borrowed it for a while. It has somewhere around 200k miles and is about 17 years old, so I would assume that the shocks and struts were probably replaced at least once? 20 hours ago, enigma-2 said: Wonder if replacing the struts would improve Ride quality? For my 2021? I feel like my 2021 SEL is more stiff, and the 2007 MKX is more soft and smooth like floating in a boat. I enjoyed the MKX suspension better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wubster100 Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 (edited) To estimate the average parts cost for OEM adaptive suspension: 4x Ride Height Sensors - $120 OBO *The front height sensor LH is already equipped on vehicles with curve adaptive headlamps. Vehicle Dynamics Module - $40 Adaptive struts + shocks - $500-1,000? Miscellaneous, nuts, bolts and wiring - $150? Am I missing any other main parts that could be needed? AsBuilt Changes Needed: IPC, ABS?, Edited April 24 by Wubster100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wubster100 Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 @Haz Can you post the Vehicle Dynamic Suspension - System Operation and Component Description of the 2017+ Ford Fusion SPORT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haz Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 Attached... Good luck! Vehicle Dynamic Suspension - System Operation and Component Description - 2019 Fusion Workshop Manual.pdf Vehicle Dynamic Suspension - Wiring Diagram Page 1 - 2019 Fusion.pdf Vehicle Dynamic Suspension - Wiring Diagram Page 2 - 2019 Fusion.pdf Vehicle Dynamic Suspension - Wiring Diagram Page 3 - 2019 Fusion.pdf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnmarkp Posted May 7 Author Report Share Posted May 7 (edited) My first idea was to only make the shock rates adjustable without being adaptive while driving. The cost and the risk of the system not being recognized by the Edge being the main reason behind my thinking. I might just buy the control module above and see if the car will find it. Then I could play around with Forscan and see if I could get it to work. I would use simple fixed resistors for the ride height and shocks. The service manual gives the proper ranges for the resistance. I have not given up. Edited May 8 by johnmarkp 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnmarkp Posted May 9 Author Report Share Posted May 9 I think I am going to buy the control module to play with. I am trying to figure out how to tap into the CAN2 line. Anyone have any suggestions? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wubster100 Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 (edited) The VDM is on the HS-2 Network with: ABS, GSM, HCM, IPMA, IPMB, OCS, PSCM, RCM, SCCM I am thinking that some of the easier locations to access may be the GWM or HCM. Edited May 9 by Wubster100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnmarkp Posted May 10 Author Report Share Posted May 10 I have the VDM and one height sensor on order. I got a the height sensor because I want to confirm how it communicates the back to the VDM. I thought it was a simple voltage divider, but after looking at the service manual again, I think it might be a Hall sensor. I'll know for sure soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnmarkp Posted May 13 Author Report Share Posted May 13 I looked at the HCM yesterday. It does not match the wiring diagram that is in your thread on the 360 camera. I see references to the Gateway module, but I cannot find any documentation for it, including the location. What am I missing? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haz Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 @johnmarkp: Relevant Gateway Module A (GWM) information for 2019 Edge is attached below as PDF documents... Good luck! Gateway Module - Module Communications Wiring Diagram - 2019 Edge.pdf Gateway Module - Connector C2431 Pinout Diagram - 2019 Edge.pdf Gateway Module - Connector C2431 Location - 2019 Edge.pdf Gateway Module To Remote Datalink Connector - Wiring Diagram - 2019 Edge.pdf Gateway Module A (GWM) - Removal and Installation - 2019 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Communications Network - System Operation and Component Description - 2019 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wubster100 Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 (edited) 10 hours ago, johnmarkp said: I looked at the HCM yesterday. It does not match the wiring diagram that is in your thread on the 360 camera. The HCM is connected to C2129. The HCM is located behind/around the glove box, but I think you need to look directly up above to find the HCM. C2129: Pin 7 Grey-Blue = Can Low, Pin 19 Green-Orange = Can High. Headlamp Control Module (HCM) - Connector C2129 Pinout - 2021 Edge.pdf Edited May 13 by Wubster100 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haz Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 Additional on Headlamp Control Module (HCM)... Good luck! Headlamp Control Module (HCM) - Connector C2129 Location - 2019 Edge.pdf Headlamp Control Module (HCM) - Removal and Installation - 2019 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Headlamp Control Module (HCM) - Module Communications Wiring Diagram - 2019 Edge.pdf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnmarkp Posted May 14 Author Report Share Posted May 14 Thanks. I wonder where C1026 is? Looks like an empty connector. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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