Platinum White Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 Has anyone added an engine oil cooler to their Edge? I'm thinking about adding one using a sandwich plate between the oil filter and engine. I recently had an oil analysis that indicated oxidation. One of the primary contributors to oxidation is heat. Are there any technical issues with the engine oil pressure or flow that would/could be a problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingo Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 Deja Vu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum White Posted January 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Thanks for all your help. I'm overwhelmed with the response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingo Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 I did respond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum White Posted January 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 I did respond. Sorry Dingo I was looking for discussion on the last line of the post. I posted on 2 other forms and didn't get any response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingo Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 The answer to the last line is no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum White Posted January 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2012 The answer to the last line is no. Hey Dingo, Thank You very much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingo Posted January 29, 2012 Report Share Posted January 29, 2012 No problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 29, 2012 Report Share Posted January 29, 2012 Thanks for all your help. I'm overwhelmed with the response. Dude - chill out. This isn't something that most people would know about. And you did get a response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
railroad Posted January 29, 2012 Report Share Posted January 29, 2012 You did not state what your driving conditions are. I did notice you are in Texas where, I am sure the heat can be extreme. Two situations that might put extreme heat in your engine are extended high loads, like towing or high speeds not in overdrive. Second, would be extended idling in close traffic with the A/C and other accessories on. With that on the table, if you are exceeding these conditions, I guess an oil cooler is an option. I may be totally wrong on this, but I would associate oxidation more with not getting the moisture out of the engine with short trips or run times. Since you have gone to the trouble to have an oil analysis, I will let the diagnosis you have be correct. Maybe a less expensive solution would be changing types or brands of motor oil. Most people that would spend money on an oil anaylsis, would have no problem in paying for full synthetic motor oil. Since that information is not provided, my guess is yes. If you have having problems with full syn and agree heat is the problem, you might considered shorter oil change intervals. I hope you are not one of those in the herd of 3K mile oil changes. If you are doing all the options listed and got the negative results stated, I would consider a cooler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum White Posted January 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) You did not state what your driving conditions are. I did notice you are in Texas where, I am sure the heat can be extreme. Two situations that might put extreme heat in your engine are extended high loads, like towing or high speeds not in overdrive. Second, would be extended idling in close traffic with the A/C and other accessories on. With that on the table, if you are exceeding these conditions, I guess an oil cooler is an option. I may be totally wrong on this, but I would associate oxidation more with not getting the moisture out of the engine with short trips or run times. Since you have gone to the trouble to have an oil analysis, I will let the diagnosis you have be correct. Maybe a less expensive solution would be changing types or brands of motor oil. Most people that would spend money on an oil anaylsis, would have no problem in paying for full synthetic motor oil. Since that information is not provided, my guess is yes. If you have having problems with full syn and agree heat is the problem, you might considered shorter oil change intervals. I hope you are not one of those in the herd of 3K mile oil changes. If you are doing all the options listed and got the negative results stated, I would consider a cooler. Railroad Thanks for the reply I use AMSOIL Signature Series 0W-20, a full synthetic guaranteed for 1 year or 25,000 miles. This oil had a little less than 15,000 on it and 6 months. To accumulate this many miles in 6 months there was not very much idling or short runs. I have never towed anything with this vehicle. I'm going to install a cooler today and will see what the next analysis indicates. I just talked with an AMSOIL tech rep and Oil Analyzers and both indicated that heat is a major contributor to oxidation. They also indicated that this could be an inherent characteristic of the Ford 3.5 L engine. Edited January 30, 2012 by Platinum White Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
railroad Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) Well I guess you are definitely not one of the 3000 mile oil change herd. I am not the most informed on Amsoil, but know of it and some of its claims. For what you are saving or what ever the advantages to a 25,000 mile oil change would be, I would not be comfortable. I have an 88 and 93 Ford. I have changed the oil, real close to 5000 miles since new. Both engines are within 5000 miles of 300,000 miles. I mostly used Castrol 20w-50 year round. Neither engine uses any oil amount that requires adding. I am sure Amsoil is a very good lubricant, but I cannot even see 15,000 miles as doing anything good for your engine. Your engine is what you are trying to maintain and protect, not your wallet or bragging rights. I might consider 7000 miles, but would still not be comfortable with 10,000. Don't come unhinged on me, on this. I am just speaking from what I would do. Amsoil is selling a product and you are a potential customer. No matter how loyal we are to a brand, all compaines are in it to make MORE money. If I wanted to stay with Amsoil, I would back my oil changes down until I got an anaylsis that was good. If you are still in warranty, you may want to consider how that much mileage would figure in on a claim, not that I would volunteer it. If you take into consideration the price of an oil cooler. It doesn't sound like you are going to buy a J C Whitney model, installation and the price of Amsoil, the risk of increasing the engine wear, are you really coming out ahead anywhere in the whole scheme. I hope you have taken this as genuine concern that you are not on the best path and reconsider your options. Edited January 30, 2012 by railroad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum White Posted January 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Well I guess you are definitely not one of the 3000 mile oil change herd. I am not the most informed on Amsoil, but know of it and some of its claims. For what you are saving or what ever the advantages to a 25,000 mile oil change would be, I would not be comfortable. I have an 88 and 93 Ford. I have changed the oil, real close to 5000 miles since new. Both engines are within 5000 miles of 300,000 miles. I mostly used Castrol 20w-50 year round. Neither engine uses any oil amount that requires adding. I am sure Amsoil is a very good lubricant, but I cannot even see 15,000 miles as doing anything good for your engine. Your engine is what you are trying to maintain and protect, not your wallet or bragging rights. I might consider 7000 miles, but would still not be comfortable with 10,000. Don't come unhinged on me, on this. I am just speaking from what I would do. Amsoil is selling a product and you are a potential customer. No matter how loyal we are to a brand, all compaines are in it to make MORE money. If I wanted to stay with Amsoil, I would back my oil changes down until I got an anaylsis that was good. If you are still in warranty, you may want to consider how that much mileage would figure in on a claim, not that I would volunteer it. If you take into consideration the price of an oil cooler. It doesn't sound like you are going to buy a J C Whitney model, installation and the price of Amsoil, the risk of increasing the engine wear, are you really coming out ahead anywhere in the whole scheme. I hope you have taken this as genuine concern that you are not on the best path and reconsider your options. I have been using AMSOIL in my vehicles for more than 10 years and probably close to 500K miles.. The oil cooler was previously installed on a 1999 Expedition along with a bypass filtration system, prior to that the cooler was on a 93 MK8. When I traded the Expedition I removed the bypass system and the oil cooler. I installed the bypass system on the Edge, but couldn't easily locate a place for the oil cooler so I left it off, until today. I went to a friends body shop and we took the whole nose off and I installed the cooler in front of the lower part of the AC condenser/radiator where it will not impact air flow. The 2009 Edge has 70K+ on it as we speak. In 2009 I clocked 12,500+ miles from June to December, in 2010 it was 25,500+ and in 2011 it was 24500+. I travel border to border and coast to coast and don't trust the quick lube places to work or even change oil on my vehicles due to a bad experience some time ago. I'll be changing the transmission fluid later this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
railroad Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Ditto on the quick oil change shops. It sounds like you do mods on your vehicles that instill more confidence in the oiling system. Nothing wrong with improving the functioning of a system. I am sure the extra filtration and cooling help the longivity of the oil and it sounds like it fits your operating schedule. My trucks never had the luxury of long continous drives. They may be towing a 60 T Bird through 3 or 4 states, if that is a long haul, but mostly driven to work (60 miles) until I retired in 2008 and other than being a loaner to my son and brother, just do small hauling jobs. By the way, I did change to Brad Penn motor oil, after the name brands pulled ZDDP from their over the counter stuff. I used to annal about my motors and hot rods. I would change stuff on a new vehicle to satisfy my desire for improvement. Now I just do a decent maintenance schedule and run what the factory delivered. Hope you continue to get good results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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