WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 well, as with any other well known problem that ford has issued tsbs but not recalls for, keep the bills handy, explore options with legal counsel to get recompensed. i would not give up on the legal angle. the coolant level should have been dropping, there may be a misfire with or without code, and the plug in the misfiring cylinder as well as the piston/valves should look remarkably clean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17Ville2.0 Posted October 1, 2021 Report Share Posted October 1, 2021 Just bought the car a week or two ago and had a couple small issues, the waterfall sound at startup and after a couple days’ driving it threw a P0301 misfire code on cylinder 1. Symptom was a rough shuddery idle the first ten seconds or so on a cold start then ran fine the rest of the time. Pulled the plugs and replaced with NGK Ruthenium’s, old plugs were pretty gross. Also cylinder one plug (far left facing the engine) was different than the others as you can see in the pic so someone saw the code before and just threw a single plug at it, no idea why you’d do that. Anyway installed the new plugs and cleared the code, also burped the coolant system and haven’t had the waterfall sound since. Car ran way better for a week or so then the same code came back so I’m thinking coil packs next, unless someone has anything else to try before I go to that. Thanks for any and all help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handfiler Posted October 2, 2021 Report Share Posted October 2, 2021 Could be a faulty coil but I wouldn't rule out a faulty injector either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17Ville2.0 Posted October 2, 2021 Report Share Posted October 2, 2021 Thanks a bunch for the reply. I’ll probably go ahead and replace all four coils anyway because why not at 70K, then if the issue persists we’ll go from there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1004ron Posted October 2, 2021 Report Share Posted October 2, 2021 35 minutes ago, 17Ville2.0 said: Thanks a bunch for the reply. I’ll probably go ahead and replace all four coils anyway because why not at 70K, then if the issue persists we’ll go from there Why? I have 71K miles on my Sport, and expect my ignition coils to last more than twice that - if the time comes, I'll only replace a component like that if testing confirms its failed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1004ron Posted October 2, 2021 Report Share Posted October 2, 2021 55 minutes ago, handfiler said: Could be a faulty coil but I wouldn't rule out a faulty injector either. Correct, and some diagnostics should be able to identify it. Running a fuel system cleaner in a couple of tanks costs very little and can do no harm, and could clear a fouled injector. Seeing that one foreign incorrect spark plug makes me cringe, and conjurers up an image of a drunk redneck shade tree "mechanic" working on it - a clear sign that its been abused. 17Ville2.0 what's the mileage? Do you have the service record? Did you research its history on places like CarFax? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handfiler Posted October 2, 2021 Report Share Posted October 2, 2021 26 minutes ago, 1004ron said: Why? I have 71K miles on my Sport, and expect my ignition coils to last more than twice that - if the time comes, I'll only replace a component like that if testing confirms its failed. Good advice that I have followed for a long time. It's had a positive effect on my investment portfolio also. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted October 2, 2021 Report Share Posted October 2, 2021 as an aside, check to make sure the engine is not a 420 Cleveland engine. the label is on the passenger side of the valve cover. if it is, this may develop into a misfire/coolant loss/engine replacement scenario. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17Ville2.0 Posted October 2, 2021 Report Share Posted October 2, 2021 (edited) It is indeed a 420 Cleveland engine. Didn’t know any of these issues until after we bought it of course. Also, it has lost a little coolant since I filled it up and burped it last. I’ve been doing some reading, are these engines prone to head gasket issues or something that leak coolant into a cylinder? I’ve bought many used cars before and did the same thing with this one that I’ve always done, checked the car fax beforehand which was clean, only two owners and lots of service records. Test drove just fine too of course, just really hoping this doesn’t turn into a major issue. Monday will be two weeks that we’ve had the car. Going to call the dealership on Monday and see what we can figure out. Edited October 2, 2021 by 17Ville2.0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1004ron Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 Do a forum search. If its the Cleveland engine with those symptoms the solution is not simply a gasket replacement, but an engine replacement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 if you are suffering coolant loss, there is a higher likelihood of needing a replacement engine. hope you have powertrain warranty from somewhere, Ford or insurance co, or otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17Ville2.0 Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 (edited) Thanks for the info, guys. Just so I can be prepared, what is the actual issue with these engines to where not even a gasket will fix it? and I domy know that I’m necessarily losing coolant, but air is definitely getting into the system somehow. I noticed the level had dropped since I burped it a few days ago, so I checked the level on a cold engine and it had dropped slightly below minimum on the overflow jug. However when I unscrewed the cap, air escaped and the level rose back up. Edited October 3, 2021 by 17Ville2.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jBJQQtJ635aSGsMyyFRKCFyFNNo1KnNw/view?usp=sharing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulce Posted October 16, 2021 Report Share Posted October 16, 2021 (edited) Help!!…. My 16 Ford edge is driving me nuts!!!….. water noise when I turn car on and idling, during acceleration (while on park), during driving (streets, up hill, down hill, coming to a stop) not so much when on freeway. Currently No other symptoms (no over heating, no coolant loss/leaks, ac/heater working) I have had 3different mechanics look at it, I had thermostat replaced(due to coolant backflow /replacement resolved that) radiator cap replaced (just incase), cooling system burped/bled, AC drain checked for clog( was advice no clog). Nothing has helped with loud annoying water noise. Sound of Water rushing through. ** I noticed it all after coolant flush** i don’t know if i should have the coolant flushed again or what to do. I’m out of ideas ? Edited October 16, 2021 by Dulce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 possibly air in the cooling system. what engine in your Edge? 2.0/3.5/2.7? ecoboosts are more prone to developing air pockets during coolant flushes, and can be a devil to get out on the 2.0. 3.5 is pretty good about it, 2.7 can be more troublesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulce Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 2.0 Engine size yes we believe it’s possible air in cooling system but with no luck to take air out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted October 18, 2021 Report Share Posted October 18, 2021 for what it is worth.. I had what i thought was a boiling coolant sound (more of a gentle bubbling sound) in the rear turbo when i came off the highway on hot days. One day i turned off my A/C to hear it better.. and it stopped. It turns out, i was hearing the refrigerant boiling in the evaporator. air in the cooling system will usually burp itself out if the reservoir / header tank is kept on the high side of the range, unless its a large pocket of air, then you'll crack a head before it purges itself on some engines Vacuum filling is the only answer for those cases 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted October 19, 2021 Report Share Posted October 19, 2021 since you have a gen 2 with a 2.0, i would make sure a coolant intrusion issue is not in progress. check coolant level regularly, should pretty much hold steady with engine off and at ambient. if the CEL ever flashes, you may be looking at a block replacement in the future. Ford has issued a TSB for this issue https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jBJQQtJ635aSGsMyyFRKCFyFNNo1KnNw/view?usp=sharing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulce Posted October 19, 2021 Report Share Posted October 19, 2021 So I was just advised I need a whole new engine. They said water in cylinders due to possible gasket broken/cracked and it’s recommended to get a whole new engine due to cost of just replacing the gasket and having issues later requiring new engine. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulce Posted October 19, 2021 Report Share Posted October 19, 2021 10 hours ago, WWWPerfA_ZN0W said: since you have a gen 2 with a 2.0, i would make sure a coolant intrusion issue is not in progress. check coolant level regularly, should pretty much hold steady with engine off and at ambient. if the CEL ever flashes, you may be looking at a block replacement in the future. Ford has issued a TSB for this issue https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jBJQQtJ635aSGsMyyFRKCFyFNNo1KnNw/view?usp=sharing I just opened the link… going to read it. I’m so stressed. I can’t believe just 5 yrs old and it needs new engine. I kept it well maintained and just put over $400 on maintenance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted October 19, 2021 Report Share Posted October 19, 2021 sorry amigo. this has been bad news for many many members on our FB pages as well Ford corporate to date has helped cover some/most of the bill in some cases tho, when the mileage is reasonable. I would apply to them for assistance, the dealer may provide support in this regard, ask them. The numbers (%ages) may not support it, but we would like to see at least a Customer Satisfaction Program bulletin issued on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulce Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 56 minutes ago, WWWPerfA_ZN0W said: sorry amigo. this has been bad news for many many members on our FB pages as well Ford corporate to date has helped cover some/most of the bill in some cases tho, when the mileage is reasonable. I would apply to them for assistance, the dealer may provide support in this regard, ask them. The numbers (%ages) may not support it, but we would like to see at least a Customer Satisfaction Program bulletin issued on it. I will take all the help I can get. I still owe $14k on my car loan so seen it’s going to cost me about $8k or more (I’m just guessing I don’t really know the price) really hurts. At this point I guess taking out a loan to get new engine ?. Thank you all for your kindness and time to share your thoughts. This is awesome ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1004ron Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 My work associate had his replaced by a good indy shop, who bought the new long block from Ford and it came to around $4,500 for the whole job, with no help from Ford. I suggest that we merge this with the existing thread on the issue. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulce Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, 1004ron said: My work associate had his replaced by a good indy shop, who bought the new long block from Ford and it came to around $4,500 for the whole job, with no help from Ford. I suggest that we merge this with the existing thread on the issue. So now that I’m little more calm and not running like “a chicken without a head” I was reading everything carefully and a little confused in regards to the term “ long block engine” v “engine”. So do I not need a whole new engine or only the long block engine or are they the same thing? Sorry, just confused on whats what and what will definitely fix the issue? Edited October 20, 2021 by Dulce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbaker732 Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 What type of gas do you use if you have had a coolant leak in the 2.0 L ecoboost engine, 2nd generation? A class action lawsuit filed claims the seals and engine were not designed correctly, causing a coolant leak that requires a total engine replacement to fix. Ford specifies high octane fuel for the engine. If you had a coolant leak, did you use only high octane fuel or did you use regular routinely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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