WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 most all ford engines run fine on 87 (regular) fuel. there may be a few premium options like the Ford GT, or Shelby Cobras that require 93, but not on mass production vehicles. it is recommended that ecoboost engines run on premium, for better power/knock resistance since the engines are high compression, but really only needed if you get into it often or tow regularly, live in hilly areas, etc. the engines being referred to are likely 2015-2018 MY 2.0, and type of gas is irrelevant to the subject of the lawsuit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1004ron Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 6 hours ago, cbaker732 said: Ford specifies high octane fuel for the engine. Where did you read that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 (edited) On 10/19/2021 at 8:10 PM, Dulce said: I will take all the help I can get. I still owe $14k on my car loan so seen it’s going to cost me about $8k or more (I’m just guessing I don’t really know the price) really hurts. At this point I guess taking out a loan to get new engine ?. Thank you all for your kindness and time to share your thoughts. This is awesome ? have you or your dealer contacted Ford Corporate? if the mileage on your vehicle is reasonable, they should provide assistance. sometimes doing to mediation with the assistance of an attorney can get better results than a lawsuit if you are unable to get assistance directly. As always, i highly recommend people buying used vehicles with the 2015-2018 MY 420 cleveland stickered engines tread lightly. Buy Ford ESP and factor that into the price you pay for the vehicle. Or avoid entirely. This is a huge black eye for Ford, and you should not be taking it on the chin for them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kgo-h_LhjeE Edited October 23, 2021 by WWWPerfA_ZN0W 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbaker732 Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 The owners manual says that high octane fuel is recommended but not required. I also remember seeing high octane recommendations when shopping for the car back in 2017. The computer system of the car should adjust timing so there is no knock when using regular (no pre-ignition from regular gas). But high octane fuel should also give a more forceful ignition. Is that contributing to the coolant leak? My ford dealer has changed several of the engines and does not find anything visibly wrong with any part. Others have mentioned that the design of the engine itself is faulty but does high octane fuel contribute to its failure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 it is a machining problem with the block, nothing else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1004ron Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 (edited) Recommended is very different to "specifies" - main reason being that using anything less than the recommended cannot be a factor when deciding a warranty claim. Edited October 23, 2021 by 1004ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulce Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 12 hours ago, cbaker732 said: What type of gas do you use if you have had a coolant leak in the 2.0 L ecoboost engine, 2nd generation? A class action lawsuit filed claims the seals and engine were not designed correctly, causing a coolant leak that requires a total engine replacement to fix. Ford specifies high octane fuel for the engine. If you had a coolant leak, did you use only high octane fuel or did you use regular routinely? I have always used regular gas (87). I don’t have visible coolant leak, but if coolant (water) in cylinders and loss of coolant is considered a form of leak, then yes there is a leak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulce Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 4 hours ago, 1004ron said: Recommended is very different to "specifies" - main reason being that using anything less than the recommended cannot be a factor when deciding a warranty claim. Sorry, but do you mean that because it’s only recommending something it doesn’t mean it needs it? Sorry just trying to understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulce Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 10 minutes ago, Dulce said: Sorry, but do you mean that because it’s only recommending something it doesn’t mean it needs it? Sorry just trying to understand. I see, you were responding to cbaker732 About gas usage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulce Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 On 8/25/2021 at 5:07 PM, Tcinci said: My 2016 Edge with 95k just started losing coolant. Like others no sign of an external leak. Losing about 5-6oz per day. I’ve been watching it since I first read about this problem last year. Guess it’s my turn. Anyway, has anyone tried Blue Devil head gasket sealer? I used that on an old Mazda3 head gasket leak with good results. I’m thinking to try it here too. I’m sorry you are also having the issue. But I have seen it on videos but I have not tried it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1004ron Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 12 hours ago, cbaker732 said: What type of gas do you use if you have had a coolant leak in the 2.0 L ecoboost engine, 2nd generation? A class action lawsuit filed claims the seals and engine were not designed correctly, causing a coolant leak that requires a total engine replacement to fix. Ford specifies high octane fuel for the engine. If you had a coolant leak, did you use only high octane fuel or did you use regular routinely? 16 minutes ago, Dulce said: Sorry, but do you mean that because it’s only recommending something it doesn’t mean it needs it? Sorry just trying to understand. Because it is only a recommendation by Ford, not a specification, there may be some gain using the higher octane, but using lower octane will not damage the engine and will not be a factor in any possible warranty claim. This model engines manufacturing defect is totally unrelated to the fuel used. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulce Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 On 9/14/2021 at 5:33 PM, Tcinci said: Why isn’t this just a head gasket change? Or if it’s the head casting that’s micro racking the a head change. I don’t understand the block change. I asked the same question and was told that the cost for part + labor work to just change the gasket was high and wouldn’t guarantee a fix and will end up with double cost.??♀️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1004ron Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 12 minutes ago, Dulce said: I’m sorry you are also having the issue. But I have seen it on videos but I have not tried it. Quote has anyone tried Blue Devil head gasket sealer? Forget about the sealant rabbit hole - its already been stated here that's not a cure for the issue discussed in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1004ron Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 On 9/15/2021 at 9:24 AM, akirby said: Because it’s a flaw in the block coolant passages. They used a slot and that lead to cracking in the block. They changed it to a drilled passage. 11 minutes ago, Dulce said: I asked the same question and was told that the cost for part + labor work to just change the gasket was high and wouldn’t guarantee a fix and will end up with double cost.??♀️ Slow down and take just a little time to read this thread - the questions you're asking have already been covered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulce Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 On 5/24/2021 at 8:17 AM, 1004ron said: Has anyone had assistance from Ford when this failure occurred outside the warranty mileage and period? I’m not even bothering, from the sound of it Ford is not taking responsibility for problem. I wish everyone the best on this issue, really sad. But for a huge company like Ford, I’m sure they don’t care about the little guy. So this issue is not a priority to them meaning the loss is minimal to them. So sad ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 50 minutes ago, Dulce said: I’m not even bothering, from the sound of it Ford is not taking responsibility for problem. I wish everyone the best on this issue, really sad. But for a huge company like Ford, I’m sure they don’t care about the little guy. So this issue is not a priority to them meaning the loss is minimal to them. So sad ? They are taking responsibility by fixing the problem under warranty and with a new block design. What they’re not doing is extending the warranty to cover failures that happen after the 5 yr/60K powertrain warranty. However, you also had the option to purchase an extended warranty and chose not to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulce Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 (edited) 48 minutes ago, akirby said: They are taking responsibility by fixing the problem under warranty and with a new block design. What they’re not doing is extending the warranty to cover failures that happen after the 5 yr/60K powertrain warranty. However, you also had the option to purchase an extended warranty and chose not to. Yup, exactly!!! Since I was responding to the question asking “ Has anyone had assistance from Ford when this failure occurred “outside the warranty mileage and period?“ ??….. In other words since my car is out of warranty Ford is not taking responsibility for it and I wouldn’t bother asking or expect any assistance from Ford. Hope thats a little more clear on what I ment. Edited October 23, 2021 by Dulce 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted October 24, 2021 Report Share Posted October 24, 2021 yes, people have received such assistance from Ford. most have been lucky to have purchased an extended warranty, but polite & persistent negotiation on a vehicle with reasonable mileage (12-15K / yr or under 100K i would say) HAS yielded results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 24, 2021 Report Share Posted October 24, 2021 Yes, Ford does do AWAs - after warranty adjustment. But it’s done in conjunction with the dealer. I don’t agree that it’s the mfrs responsibility to fix anything out of warranty, especially when you have the opportunity to purchase an extended warranty. When you buy something you know exactly what the mfr covers and you choose whether to buy extra coverage. I do think mfrs SHOULD extend the warranty for these types of problems as a matter of good customer service. I just don’t think they are obligated to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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1004ron Posted October 24, 2021 Report Share Posted October 24, 2021 23 minutes ago, CARR142 said: ....... That guy waffles - does he have a point, if so what is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted October 24, 2021 Report Share Posted October 24, 2021 4 hours ago, akirby said: I do think mfrs SHOULD extend the warranty for these types of problems as a matter of good customer service. I just don’t think they are obligated to do so. and THAT is the American way lol. If you make a blunder as big as this one, they SHOULD cover it. bad bearing, or grinding RDU, ok i will agree it's totally up to them. but engine failure? no way it should be an option. the manufacturer is just playing the waiting game, knowing most of the owners are too timid to pipe up and ask for a square deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handfiler Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 4 hours ago, 1004ron said: That guy waffles - does he have a point, if so what is it? That he's full of himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulce Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 2016 Ford edge 2.0 108k+ mileage falls under the (TSB 19-2346) and needs new engine block. - currently my car has shown no signs of over heating - does have rough start - some coolant loss but not alot at once - water noise I have decided to just keep driving it and just check coolant levels to make sure it doesn’t overheat? I will keep you guys posted see how long it last, wish me luck ?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015Edge2015 Posted November 1, 2021 Report Share Posted November 1, 2021 Hi guys, had to sign up to report. I just got hit with the slowly missing coolant myself last week. No external leaks. Some of you have reported a steady dripping stream ffaucetsound inside the dash. I got that as well. Notice that happens after the coolant goes low a bit. Top it off and the sound is gone. But now I'm looking at a crazy high bill! What's the average cost and have any of you gotten help from Ford themselves with the cost? I'm aware of the lawsuit since lots of owner are getting bit by this. https://www.lieffcabraser.com/defect/ford-coolant/ My main question is what I said above. How much out of pocket and has fors done anything for good of faith in helping? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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