Cellbine Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Hey guys, So today my buddy and I replaced my air filter with a specter filter on my 2011 Edge Limited. Everything seemed to go well. When I started the engine back up, it choked a bit (probably because its not used to the amount of air its getting now), but that went away. The engine sounds good, but when I was driving home I started to hear a light rattle when I pressed on the accelerator. The rattle only seemed to come when I lightly pressed on the gas. Then I started to get this error: Service AdvanceTrac. Then the AdvanceTrac and AdvanceTrac OFF error symbols come on in my dashboard. I have 6k miles on her and the warming only came on after I about 50 mph. It went on and off a few times. Anyone have an idea why? Overall instillation: Re-instillation of sensor: I didn't completely uninstall the casing for the stock intake, which helped support the new one. Ill replace it after I find a more permanent solution. View underneath: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr.edge Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Hey guys, So today my buddy and I replaced my air filter with a specter filter on my 2011 Edge Limited. Everything seemed to go well. When I started the engine back up, it choked a bit (probably because its not used to the amount of air its getting now), but that went away. The engine sounds good, but when I was driving home I started to hear a light rattle when I pressed on the accelerator. The rattle only seemed to come when I lightly pressed on the gas. Then I started to get this error: Service AdvanceTrac. Then the AdvanceTrac and AdvanceTrac OFF error symbols come on in my dashboard. I have 6k miles on her and the warming only came on after I about 50 mph. It went on and off a few times. Anyone have an idea why? Since the AdvanceTrac system is concerned with stabilizing the car as it rolls down the road, I'd say it's unrelated to the air filter replacement. It gets it's inputs from the ABS sensors so you might have bumped something or loosened a connector, but if it goes away and stays off, you're OK The rattle sounds like the engine knocking. If you made a big enough change in air flow, it might be having difficulty adjusting mixture or timing to compensate.Switch back to the OEM filter to see if it goes away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingo Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 I agree about the advance track. As far as the air filter, there are several aftermarket panel filters available for the stock box that make a nice difference without causing problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cellbine Posted February 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Thanks for the input. Ill keep an eye on it for a few days. Hopefully it settles down. This is the first thing I've really done to the car, so I'm a bit paranoid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cellbine Posted February 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 So my engine light ended up coming on. I really didnt like that, so I reinstalled the original air filtration system and things instantly went back to normal. I haven't gotten any errors for over a week now. I feel so relieved! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c_bova Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 the engine light that came on was probably one having to do with system being to lean due to what I would think the maf housing size being different than that of stock. as long as the maf housing is the same size as stock you shouldn't really have issues as far as air flow goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordGuru Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 (edited) not being negative about this, but can someone help me understand why you would want an aftermarket filter? as the original poster has now learned the hard way, these engines are already pushing the envelope of performance on emissions legal programming. any change in A/F ratio is going to negatively impact the system as a whole. Not to mention any dealer CAN deny working on your vehicle, and depending on if you have an attitude can submit a request to have your powertrain warranty voided based on system modifications. just sayin....if your edge or edge sport doesn't have enough power for you that you have to risk ruining the engine, maybe you should have considered an SHO taurus, fusion sport, focus ST (when they come out) or even a mustang. i know i'm gonna piss alot of people off with this, but i'm just saying this as somebody that works for a dealership and sees what you guys don't, which is the guy who put the aftermarket filter on and now has a check engine light and a throttle body whose plates look like they were put in a sandblaster. or even worse a 2011 edge sport with a rod through the side of the block with only 42k on it. upon further inspection, we found modified fuel tables via superchips, line pressures in the tranny that were FAR beyond the design strength, 5 injectors with blown pintles which were leaking fuel into the cylinders and causing a hydrolocking effect which is where the rod through the side of the engine came from. don't think it can happen? PM me and i'll give you the contact info for the 2 unlucky guys that got to meet the engineers that came down personally to see how in the world an engine like the 3.5 and 3.7 could throw a rod or destroy a throttle body. Both of these guys told me to pass their story on to help others out, and as i said in my introduction thats why i joined, to learn and help when i can. Edited February 21, 2012 by FordGuru 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capsfan Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 not being negative about this, but can someone help me understand why you would want an aftermarket filter? as the original poster has now learned the hard way, these engines are already pushing the envelope of performance on emissions legal programming. any change in A/F ratio is going to negatively impact the system as a whole. Not to mention any dealer CAN deny working on your vehicle, and depending on if you have an attitude can submit a request to have your powertrain warranty voided based on system modifications. just sayin....if your edge or edge sport doesn't have enough power for you that you have to risk ruining the engine, maybe you should have considered an SHO taurus, fusion sport, focus ST (when they come out) or even a mustang. i know i'm gonna piss alot of people off with this, but i'm just saying this as somebody that works for a dealership and sees what you guys don't, which is the guy who put the aftermarket filter on and now has a check engine light and a throttle body whose plates look like they were put in a sandblaster. or even worse a 2011 edge sport with a rod through the side of the block with only 42k on it. upon further inspection, we found modified fuel tables via superchips, line pressures in the tranny that were FAR beyond the design strength, 5 injectors with blown pintles which were leaking fuel into the cylinders and causing a hydrolocking effect which is where the rod through the side of the engine came from. don't think it can happen? PM me and i'll give you the contact info for the 2 unlucky guys that got to meet the engineers that came down personally to see how in the world an engine like the 3.5 and 3.7 could throw a rod or destroy a throttle body. Both of these guys told me to pass their story on to help others out, and as i said in my introduction thats why i joined, to learn and help when i can. i just want to point out that he did not just change the air filter, he swapped to a totally different air induction system. I would not think getting an air filter that is not ford/oem branded will be considered a modification. unless i am totally in left field with this logic. i totally agree that speed mods should be done to vehicles engineered for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordGuru Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 (edited) i just want to point out that he did not just change the air filter, he swapped to a totally different air induction system. I would not think getting an air filter that is not ford/oem branded will be considered a modification. unless i am totally in left field with this logic. i totally agree that speed mods should be done to vehicles engineered for it. ok, i see what you are saying about a different system and yes you are correct that using an ordinary drop in like what our vehicles are manufactured for is not considered a mod...at least, as an advisor / tech i've never looked at it that way. so, thank you for pointing that out! i guess if i'm gonna get all long and drawn out i'd better have my stuff together, lol. i would like to say that i have seen a few of the napa, wix, and purolator drop ins fail. the ones in question didn't have a large enough sealing surface and caved in inside the filter housing. cant say they are all like that, but i can say i've seen a few hundred like that over the years. if they cave in like that EVERYTHING bypasses the filter, hits the MAF and straight into the throttle body. and since its already too late to be in the friend making business for me, i might as well go ahead and say that while more air does enter the induction portion of the engine, it is WAY too hot to be beneficial. The colder the air coming in, the greater the performance gains. You wanna mod your air intake and really see something impressive, retro fit the factory CAI from an 11 or 12 mustang 5.0. Factory filtering, cold air induction, performance gains that the PCM can compensate for without damaging long term or short term fuel trims!!!! FTW Edited February 21, 2012 by FordGuru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igcitng Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 ok, i see what you are saying about a different system and yes you are correct that using an ordinary drop in like what our vehicles are manufactured for is not considered a mod...at least, as an advisor / tech i've never looked at it that way. so, thank you for pointing that out! i guess if i'm gonna get all long and drawn out i'd better have my stuff together, lol. i would like to say that i have seen a few of the napa, wix, and purolator drop ins fail. the ones in question didn't have a large enough sealing surface and caved in inside the filter housing. cant say they are all like that, but i can say i've seen a few hundred like that over the years. if they cave in like that EVERYTHING bypasses the filter, hits the MAF and straight into the throttle body. and since its already too late to be in the friend making business for me, i might as well go ahead and say that while more air does enter the induction portion of the engine, it is WAY too hot to be beneficial. The colder the air coming in, the greater the performance gains. You wanna mod your air intake and really see something impressive, retro fit the factory CAI from an 11 or 12 mustang 5.0. Factory filtering, cold air induction, performance gains that the PCM can compensate for without damaging long term or short term fuel trims!!!! FTW Ford Guru, I'm with you. The Edge is what it is. Everything is designed and put together to work a certain way and if you change things you are going to have problems-with the car and the warranty. Cars now are so complicated we can barely understand how to use them let alone understand the inner workings. Not like the old days. Just a bad tank of gas can cause havoc. Up until I bought my 2008 Edge and now my 2012 I always took my vehicles to lube places, repair places, to dad, to get work done. Now I only go to the dealer, even for oil changes. Not taking any chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c_bova Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 (edited) a simple google search and I don't even see spectre making these parts for the edge. is this just a generic maf housing that works with the ford maf? i'd take it off because I said before and others it's not right for your car, the maf scalar is probably off and it is miscalculating the airflow. heck even with an intake made for the car it should still be tuned. with my mazdaspeed6 the maf had to be calibrated all the time for different modifications, so I don't see it being any different here. now a days you can't just slap parts on and expect them to run perfect. Edited February 22, 2012 by c_bova Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richy Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 FordGuru...both of your above posts were very informative and enlightening! It may not be what some people want to hear, but it's what they need to hear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordGuru Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 FordGuru...both of your above posts were very informative and enlightening! It may not be what some people want to hear, but it's what they need to hear. thanks. i'm not trying to piss anyone off on here, but it really does pain me to see people destroy their vehicles. :-( This all comes from experience as i've been working in Ford dealerships for a few years now and i can assure you i've seen just about everything there is to see in the way of people modifying their vehicles. the sad part for me is that its a fact that while consumers aren't dumb, they don't have a good grasp on marketing terms and slogans when paired up with warranty guidelines. Example being, ALOT of aftermarket companies will swear to you, the consumer, that their product will not void your warranty in any way. but i challenge any of you to write or call your aftermarket part supplier and have them put in writing a statement that says "This product will NOT void or alter your manufacturers warranty." And beleive me, i'll be the first to admit that i do have a diesel with a bullydog tuner, 4" turboback exhaust, and upgraded turbo. but my warranty has long since expired. On the other hand, however, highway diesel engines are EXTREMELY choked out by emissions. By making the few small modifications to my diesel i picked up over 145 whp and 375 wtq. For what little to no increase you will net by reprogramming your Edge (3.5 or 3.7) you might as well come to MY dealership and hand me your check book. you will accomplished the same thing. just my .02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cellbine Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 I appreciate your input too FordGuru and everyone else. I had the A/M filter on for 30 miles before I took it off. I have learned to seriously appreciate what Ford has put into the car. I love my Edge and tend to keep it for a very long time, keeping the insides as is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c_bova Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 out of curiosity, is that a generic maf housing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordGuru Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 I appreciate your input too FordGuru and everyone else. I had the A/M filter on for 30 miles before I took it off. I have learned to seriously appreciate what Ford has put into the car. I love my Edge and tend to keep it for a very long time, keeping the insides as is. anytime. and please dont think i was personally bashing you or making an attack on you. I assure you it was nothing of the sort. i tend to get spun up over vehicles and the aftermarket companies who use vague statements as selling points. with all of fords add-ons i can physically point to, explain at some length, and prove how a factory add-on will far outweigh and typically outlast anything you can get from the aftermarket. while the aftermarket does offer several good products from very old, established, and reputable companies, ALOT of that stuff is hogwash. glad you pulled that filter back off! like i had mentioned, i'd like to see somebody adapt the CAI from an 11 or 12 5.0 mustang! the flow increase wont be as drastic as one of the "screen door" filters, the MAF calibration will be closer to your stock edge MAF, and its ford compatible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capsfan Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) @ fordguru - i too appreciate your posts. they are very insightful and really gets you thinking. now im intrigued by your suggestion to adapt the 5.0 cai into the edge. are you talking the whole cai system to include intake tubes, etc or just the 5.0 stock airbox? edit - is this change applicable to the Ecoboost motor?? Edited February 23, 2012 by capsfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c_bova Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) if you want to know if something is going to work, measure the inside diameter of the Edge MAF housing, and then measure the inside diameter of other MAF housing, they should be exactly the same, if not then its a no go. although there is also more than just matching maf housing sizes, but that is the main thing. Edited February 23, 2012 by c_bova Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordGuru Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 if you want to know if something is going to work, measure the inside diameter of the Edge MAF housing, and then measure the inside diameter of other MAF housing, they should be exactly the same, if not then its a no go. i'm actually waiting on a 5.0 to come through the shop and be here long enough to pull the air box out and grab some measurements lol. we never see them in here however. thats a good thing though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c_bova Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 i'm actually waiting on a 5.0 to come through the shop and be here long enough to pull the air box out and grab some measurements lol. we never see them in here however. thats a good thing though take any measurements? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordGuru Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 take any measurements? not yet. havent had any come through in awhile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgeGermany Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 not being negative about this, but can someone help me understand why you would want an aftermarket filter? as the original poster has now learned the hard way, these engines are already pushing the envelope of performance on emissions legal programming. any change in A/F ratio is going to negatively impact the system as a whole. Not to mention any dealer CAN deny working on your vehicle, and depending on if you have an attitude can submit a request to have your powertrain warranty voided based on system modifications. just sayin....if your edge or edge sport doesn't have enough power for you that you have to risk ruining the engine, maybe you should have considered an SHO taurus, fusion sport, focus ST (when they come out) or even a mustang. i know i'm gonna piss alot of people off with this, but i'm just saying this as somebody that works for a dealership and sees what you guys don't, which is the guy who put the aftermarket filter on and now has a check engine light and a throttle body whose plates look like they were put in a sandblaster. or even worse a 2011 edge sport with a rod through the side of the block with only 42k on it. upon further inspection, we found modified fuel tables via superchips, line pressures in the tranny that were FAR beyond the design strength, 5 injectors with blown pintles which were leaking fuel into the cylinders and causing a hydrolocking effect which is where the rod through the side of the engine came from. don't think it can happen? PM me and i'll give you the contact info for the 2 unlucky guys that got to meet the engineers that came down personally to see how in the world an engine like the 3.5 and 3.7 could throw a rod or destroy a throttle body. Both of these guys told me to pass their story on to help others out, and as i said in my introduction thats why i joined, to learn and help when i can. nothing to add. For me the Edge is a family car with enough power to safely pass trucks on the highway. If you need a racing machine look for a other car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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