Rough Idle When Cold/P0301 Code - coolant intrusion - TSB 22-2133 & TSB 22-2229

[akirby]

It was changed in 2019 but I don’t remember if it was before or during the 2019 model year.

[Haz]

TSB 22-2229 relating to 2.0L EcoBoost coolant in cylinders applies to 2015-2018 Edges, but it does not extend to model year 2019 Edge production, which began in September 2018 (EDIT 2019).

 

TSB 22-2229 does apply to 2.0L EcoBoost engines in:

2019 Fusion/MKZ built on or before 04/08/2019; 

2019 MKC built on or before 04/18/2019; 2019;

2019 Escape built on or before 05/16/2019;

 

So, the 2.0L EcoBoost change was implemented in the April-May 2019 time frame. ( EDIT -- before model year 2019 Edge production began).

 

Good luck!

 

EDIT due to incorrect date.

 

Edited December 27, 2022 by Haz

[dabangsta]

My 2019 Edge was built 1/6/2019, prior to the date that the new block was put onto the line and used. I thought that since it was a VEP engine it wasn't affected like the Cleveland (USA) block, but I guess only time will tell.

 

Mine already had the EGR cooler issue with overheating and leaking coolant and fixed.

[Haz]

Just to satisfy my own curiosity, I'll try to look at Valencia Engine Plant versus Cleveland Engine Plant sourcing in the affected 2019 Fusion/MKZ/MKC/Escape.

 

Good luck!

 

[Haz]

As an FYI to jt9813, and with much appreciation to dabangsta for his reminder...

 

Document download link> TSB 20-2234 - 2019-2020 Edge-Nautilus 2.0L Ecoboost EGR Cooler - Low Coolant, White Smoke, Coolant Leak.pdf

 

Good luck!

 

[ImSuperCereal]

Hi everyone,

So had to replace engine due to the terrible design of the engine causing leaking into the cylinders as I’m sure a few of you have.

I’ve ran into a bit of a conundrum and I just want to ask on here if anyone had run into the same issue after engine replacement.

I first noticed the issue when it smelled like coolant in the cab so I checked under the hood and indeed the coolant level was low. After some research I found the “TSB” (should have been a recall but you know how dealerships are sadly) I took it in and it was confirmed so long block replacement was done. The issue is, it’s been multiple months and I still smell coolant on start up. Thought maybe it was cabin air filter, so I replaced that to no avail. 
Has anyone experienced the same issue? Just wondering.

[MattSin97]

Hey everyone! So my wife's Hyundai Tucson engine blew up so I found a good price on a 2017 Ford Edge Titanium (2.0 L Ecoboost) and decided to pull the trigger. However, it was only after I have been reading a lot about the coolant in the engine issue and I'm terrified! How common is this issue? My car has about 70,000 miles, so if its going to happen, I would assume its going to happen soon. Anything I should do for preventative maintenance? We just came from an engine repair, would hate to have to deal with another engine issue, thanks! 

 

PS: I had a 2018 Mustang Ecoboost (FBO+Protune) and never had any issues, hopefully I get luck again. 

[sclarke]

First, I've got a 2016 Edge with the 2.0 Cleveland.  Car currently has 35K miles.  I'm the second owner as my father bought it new and didn't put a lot of miles on it. 

 

I've also got a P0302 code.  I'm just now reading this thread and seeing all the mention of coolant leak which is not encouraging, but also not sure if that's where I'm at...

 

My misfire started November 2021.  Went to autozone and replaced #2 coil per their diagnostics.  The car ran fine afterwards for a short while.  When it started happening again, I swapped plugs and coils from #1 and #2 to see if the code followed the coil and/or plug.  It didn't, the code stayed at #2.  Eventually I ended up replacing all plugs and coils and in doing so noted no damage on either the plugs or coils.  And thinking back, saw no signs of coolant...  My last occurrence with this episode was in Feb 2022.  Car behaved with no issues until it came back last month (Dec 2022).  

 

I've not noticed any smell or sounds of water.  I looked at my coolant reservoir and it's low...it has about 2" of coolant in it whereas the minimum line is at about 3".  I've never added any.  I did an oil change last month and it was black...no signs of milkiness. 

 

I took it to my Ford dealer last year and they didn't find or suspect anything different as I relayed to them what I had done with the swapping of the coils and they couldn't get the car to duplicate the miss.

 

And to add, I have successfully cleared the miss by pulling over and turning the engine on and off several times until the miss disappears (not feeling it at startup idle).  I traveled on the interstate this week and the miss started on two different occasions...each time I was able to pull onto the side of the road, turn the engine on and off and continue on without the miss.  

 

It's also more likely to happen if I turn the heat or the heated seats on.  Almost guaranteed to happen if I do those things. 

 

I'll top off the fluid and watch it and see if I have this going on.  Seems likely on this thread, but I would've thought if there was a coolant leak, my level would be a lot lower?

[dabangsta]

Quote

 

First, I've got a 2016 Edge with the 2.0 Cleveland.  Car currently has 35K miles.  I'm the second owner as my father bought it new and didn't put a lot of miles on it. 

 

I've also got a P0302 code.  I'm just now reading this thread and seeing all the mention of coolant leak which is not encouraging, but also not sure if that's where I'm at...

 

My misfire started November 2021.  Went to autozone and replaced #2 coil per their diagnostics.  The car ran fine afterwards for a short while.  When it started happening again, I swapped plugs and coils from #1 and #2 to see if the code followed the coil and/or plug.  It didn't, the code stayed at #2.  Eventually I ended up replacing all plugs and coils and in doing so noted no damage on either the plugs or coils.  And thinking back, saw no signs of coolant...  My last occurrence with this episode was in Feb 2022.  Car behaved with no issues until it came back last month (Dec 2022).  

 

I've not noticed any smell or sounds of water.  I looked at my coolant reservoir and it's low...it has about 2" of coolant in it whereas the minimum line is at about 3".  I've never added any.  I did an oil change last month and it was black...no signs of milkiness. 

 

I took it to my Ford dealer last year and they didn't find or suspect anything different as I relayed to them what I had done with the swapping of the coils and they couldn't get the car to duplicate the miss.

 

And to add, I have successfully cleared the miss by pulling over and turning the engine on and off several times until the miss disappears (not feeling it at startup idle).  I traveled on the interstate this week and the miss started on two different occasions...each time I was able to pull onto the side of the road, turn the engine on and off and continue on without the miss.  

 

It's also more likely to happen if I turn the heat or the heated seats on.  Almost guaranteed to happen if I do those things. 

 

 

I'll top off the fluid and watch it and see if I have this going on.  Seems likely on this thread, but I would've thought if there was a coolant leak, my level would be a lot lower?

The "coolant intrusion" issue generally only leaks coolant into the cylinders, and wouldn't show up as coolant in the oil.

 

Did the spark plug from 2 look cleaner than the others?

 

I still wouldn't associate your symptoms with the coolant leaking into the cylinders, 1 inch of coolant in the reservoir is probably close to a quart if it anything like my 2017 Escape (which I added maybe a pint to twice in 90k miles, it had the 1.5 which is even more likely to have issues).

 

I am wondering what the dealer checked other than trying to duplicate the miss. They should have done the coolant combustion/pressure check which would tell you a lot.

Edited January 28, 2023 by dabangsta

[Haz]

Below as PDF document download links are relevant sections from the 2016 Gasoline Powertrain Control / Emissions Diagnosis (PC/ED) Manual, and PCM Connector details from 2016 Edge Workshop Manual...

 

 

Document download links>

POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE (PCM) DTC P0301 Description-Action - 2016 2.0L EcoBoost - PC-ED Manual.pdf

PINPOINT TEST HD - MISFIRE DETECTION MONITOR - 2016 2.0L EcoBoost - PC-ED Manual.pdf

PINPOINT TEST Z - INTERMITTENT - 2016 2.0L EcoBoost - PC-ED Manual.pdf

OBDII Freeze Frame Data - 2.0L Ecoboost - 2016 PC-ED Manual.pdf

Reference Values - 2.0L Ecoboost - Section 6 - 2016 PC-ED Manual.pdf

POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE (PCM) Connector C1381B Details - 2.0 EcoBoost - 2016 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf

POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE (PCM) Connector C1381B Location Illustration - 2.0 EcoBoost - 2016 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf

POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE (PCM) Connector C1381E Details - 2.0 EcoBoost - 2016 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf

POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE (PCM) Connector C1381E Location Illustration - 2.0 EcoBoost - 2016 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf

 

While I cannot offer any personal insights on these documents, I hope this information assists you toward resolving your Edge's indicated misfire condition.

 

Your mention that running seat heater and/or max climate blower directly causes the issue to occur, makes me wonder about the age/condition of your Edge's battery and/or charging components, just in case a low voltage condition may be inducing the miss, in whatever way it might.  Again, simply a curiosity, based upon your comment.

 

If I missed another document or section referenced within these, just let me know.

 

Good luck!

 

[Haz]

For a fuller understanding of how misfire events are recognized, evaluated, and reacted to by electronic engine controls -- technical, but eye-opening...

 

Document download link> Misfire Monitor - OBD Operation Summary for Gasoline Engines - 2016 Model Year.pdf

 

Good luck!

 

[sclarke]

For a fuller understanding of how misfire events are recognized, evaluated, and reacted to by electronic engine controls -- technical, but eye-opening...

 

Document download link> Misfire Monitor - OBD Operation Summary for Gasoline Engines - 2016 Model Year.pdf

 

Good luck!

 

Haz-  Lots of info on that misfire monitor including shutting off the one fuel injector.    I haven't been able to schedule an appt yet with my local dealer though I've offered to drop the car off for the mechanic to just randomly drive when he goes somewhere (even take it home).  Anyway, if it were the coolant issue that is prevalent, wouldn't that be a consistent problem and not a hit or miss problem as I seem to be having?  Example, yesterday...37 degrees out...first trip from home didn't turn on heat or defrost (trips are small...5 minutes, 2 miles) it didn't have an issue.  Second trip a couple hours later I turn the heater/defrost on and within a minute it starts hesitating/missing.  Turn heat off, turn engine off.  Cycle on and off a few times and it's good again.  Now it will still occur without the heat, but it's more likely to happen if the heat is on.

Again, it cycled this some last year, but subsequently it didn't surface from March to December so it didn't seem to be something involving the warmer temps or the a/c side of the system.  But again, there would have been plenty of times there when I ran the heat still on cooler days, it just didn't pop up.

It baffles me a little with it not being continuous.  At least it seems better that it may not be the combustion chamber leakage.  

And no, when I changed plugs they all looked comparable.  None no better or worse looking than the others.  Which they would've only had about 25k miles on at the time.

[wingman54]

Hello, newbie to this forum here.

My Edge tossed out a code of P0301 on my ECM which equates to a "Misfire on #1 Cylinder".

Took it to my local dealer, who found out the reason behind the code.

Turns out, the engine block is cracked and allowing a small amount of coolant to enter the #1 cylinder.

Long story short, I'm getting a new engine and it falls within my 60,000 mile Powertrain warranty.

In my humble opinion, this is MAJOR surgery by any dealership.

So, my question is has this happened to anyone else on this forum, and what, if any, new problems arose AFTER the engine replacement?

Comments?

TYIA!

 

Edited February 21, 2023 by wingman54
typo, listed incorrect P code.

[colinc755]

On 12/27/2022 at 10:49 AM, Haz said:

TSB 22-2229 relating to 2.0L EcoBoost coolant in cylinders applies to 2015-2018 Edges, but it does not extend to model year 2019 Edge production, which began in September 2018 (EDIT 2019).

 

TSB 22-2229 does apply to 2.0L EcoBoost engines in:

2019 Fusion/MKZ built on or before 04/08/2019; 

2019 MKC built on or before 04/18/2019; 2019;

2019 Escape built on or before 05/16/2019;

 

So, the 2.0L EcoBoost change was implemented in the April-May 2019 time frame. ( EDIT -- before model year 2019 Edge production began).

 

Good luck!

 

EDIT due to incorrect date.

 

Theoretically, it may seem like the new blocks weren't used until that date, but the 2019 model year right as the refresh happened was the highest-selling year of that skew. Given how auto manufacturing works, many of those '19 sales were likely made before that supposed change. It is a good sign that we have not seen failures coming from 2019 Edges if such a large number were sold early. I can say from owning both a 2018 and 2019 Edge that the 2.0 used in my early-production model (it was one of the first Titanium Elites off the line) is a lot different than the one in 2015 through 2018 edges. In the same way the twin-scroll engines refreshed the 2011-2014 2.0 EcoBoost, the 2019+ 2.0's seem to be of a different "generation." The presence of the EGR system was changed, the appearance cover was deleted, and a few things moved in their mounting positions. While these changes don't sound like a lot, they signify that more things underneath were reworked. This is NOT the case for any of the other models listed on the TSB. The 2019 fusion never got a rework and overhaul. The MKC also never got one and was turned into the Corsair (which doesn't have the issue), and the Escape was also given a new generation around this time. Seeing as it was a block-level fix, I am willing to bet that the 2019 Edges rolled out with the new generation of 2.0, and the dates referred to there signify the date at which the blocks were swapped out in the supply chain for the existing models that were not receiving any accessory changes. 

 

What seems to be a key difference here as well is that all of the models listed here were married to the 6f35 transmission. In the supply chain, these are usually delivered to the assembly plant as a unit. ALL 2019 edges have the newer 8f35 transmission. Meaning that when the 2019 Edge's manufacturing process was designed, this newer block could have already been in mind. Again I mention that the other models here did not ever get the 8f35, so I think those dates signified when the existing stock of 2.0/6f35 combos ran out, and that is when Ford stepped in and changed the block for those existing models. 

 

I just want to state that this isn't confined but I think it makes sense given those dates and the lack of failures we have seen. I have been studying this issue for years now since getting my 2018 and have learned a lot (that engine plant stuff is total BS). The combo present in all of the 2019 Edge's (2.0/8f35) is one of Ford's most popular powertrains. The 2019 Edge was the start of it and does not seem to carry over the mistakes of the past. I don't think Ford was misleading people about which Edge's have it or don't in that TSB.  

[Jhensley1607]

On 11/3/2022 at 1:33 PM, Lincoln_ said:

 

 

On 2/20/2023 at 8:43 AM, wingman54 said:

Hello, newbie to this forum here.

My Edge tossed out a code of P0301 on my ECM which equates to a "Misfire on #1 Cylinder".

Took it to my local dealer, who found out the reason behind the code.

Turns out, the engine block is cracked and allowing a small amount of coolant to enter the #1 cylinder.

Long story short, I'm getting a new engine and it falls within my 60,000 mile Powertrain warranty.

In my humble opinion, this is MAJOR surgery by any dealership.

So, my question is has this happened to anyone else on this forum, and what, if any, new problems arose AFTER the engine replacement?

Comments?

TYIA!

 

 

Yes this has happened to many if you search around - the crack in the block was likely the coolant instrusion noted in the Technical Service Bulliten.  Happened to our 2016 last August right at 70,000 miles.  Carmax extended warranty saved us $8K in repair costs, and it was at the dealership for about a month for the engine replacement.

[jonathan1needham@gmail.com]

I just went through this nightmare with Ford !  My 2018 Ford Edge Titanium with the 2.0L ecoboost engine was completely problem free until 72,000 miles. Then suddenly i noticed that the coolant level was gradually dropping . At first I added coolant every 3-5 days but this began to increase significantly. Also I began to get misfire trouble coded ( P301) for cylinder number one followed by white smoke out the exhaust just after startup.  I immediately educated myself on the diagnosis from several credible you tube content providers on the subject.  The most current TSB of FORD indicates that the engine block is compremised ( due to poor engineering of the coolant passages ) and that only a complete long block replacement is the solution .  Depending on your dealer , this overall cost ranges from $6500 - $7700 !!!  After multiple discussions with FORD customer service they advised me that they could offer NO PARTICIPATION in resolving this problem and implementing the TSB ( NO FINANCIAL SUPPORT) and that the cost of a replacement engine was 100% my problem !!  There are several class action lawsuits in process regarding the coolant intrusion issues of the 1.5L ecoboost engines and now there are two ( one in Delaware and one in California ) regarding the 2.0 L ecoboost.  With zero alternatives I had my engine replaced at my cost.  Trust me when I tell you that I will be participating in any legal action against FORD on this subject. They basically had an engineering screw-up , that 'never' showed up in their engine testing and now are just hoping the luckless customers disappear . That wont be happening in my case. 

[jonathan1needham@gmail.com]

On 10/23/2021 at 2:11 PM, Dulce said:

I’m not even bothering, from the sound of it Ford is not taking responsibility for problem. I wish everyone the best on this issue, really sad. But for a huge company like Ford, I’m sure they don’t care about the little guy. So this issue is not a priority to them meaning the loss is minimal to them. So sad ? 

See My Post !

[jonathan1needham@gmail.com]

On 1/6/2023 at 9:23 AM, ImSuperCereal said:

Hi everyone,

So had to replace engine due to the terrible design of the engine causing leaking into the cylinders as I’m sure a few of you have.

I’ve ran into a bit of a conundrum and I just want to ask on here if anyone had run into the same issue after engine replacement.

I first noticed the issue when it smelled like coolant in the cab so I checked under the hood and indeed the coolant level was low. After some research I found the “TSB” (should have been a recall but you know how dealerships are sadly) I took it in and it was confirmed so long block replacement was done. The issue is, it’s been multiple months and I still smell coolant on start up. Thought maybe it was cabin air filter, so I replaced that to no avail. 
Has anyone experienced the same issue? Just wondering.

Yes sir - I just posted my story

[JayTheWorldsHero]

So after reading around this forum, I believe my 2018 2.0 may be next.  at 97,000 miles i just got a P303 code. The coolant level looks just a hair below the minimum line and I last topped it off about a month ago. I bought this car pre-owned from my local Ford Dealer and it came with 100,000 CPO Powertrain warranty. My question is, If this coolant intrusion is my problem, will this cpo warranty cover it?

[dabangsta]

1 hour ago, JayTheWorldsHero said:

So after reading around this forum, I believe my 2018 2.0 may be next.  at 97,000 miles i just got a P303 code. The coolant level looks just a hair below the minimum line and I last topped it off about a month ago. I bought this car pre-owned from my local Ford Dealer and it came with 100,000 CPO Powertrain warranty. My question is, If this coolant intrusion is my problem, will this cpo warranty cover it?

You have 2 of the issues listed for the TSB, low coolant and a DTC for a misfire. That much coolant loss in a month is probably excessive. The action is having one of the affected vehicles (you do), 2.0 (you do), and presence of coolant in the engine cylinders. I think with your 2 issues that is enough to get them to look at it, they should first do a 5 hour pressure test, if it fails, then scope the cylinder for proof of coolant entering cylinder(s).

 

I don't know if CPO warranty is the same as the "New Vehicle Limited Warranty" which they just do the work without requiring a prior approval or cost cap.

 

With only 3000 miles remaining, you don't have the luxury of refilling the coolant and seeing what happens, I don't know what all you need to do to get it documented with the current mileage and symptoms if they can't get it in in a reasonable time. My dealer told me I should get pictures of the mileage, Email her, text message her, every way to contact her so she had a paper trail.

[Haz]

Welcome to the Forum, JayTheWorldsHero!

 

TSB 22-2229 - 2015-2018 Edge + Other Models, 2.0L EcoBoost - Coolant In Cylinders, White Exhaust Smoke And_Or Illuminated MIL.pdf (document download link) describes these various applicable warranty coverages...

 

Warranty Status: Eligible under provisions of New Vehicle Limited Warranty (NVLW)/Emissions Warranty/Service Part Warranty (SPW)/Special Service Part (SSP)/Extended Service Plan (ESP) coverage. Limits/policies/prior approvals are not altered by a TSB. NVLW/Emissions Warranty/SPW/SSP/ESP coverage limits are determined by the identified causal part and verified using the OASIS part coverage tool. For repairs covered by the NVLW, completion of the procedure outlined in this TSB does not require obtaining Prior Approval or completion of a Cost Cap.

 

Your Edge's 7-year/100,000 miles Certified Pre-Owned (CPO) Powertrain coverage falls under the TSB's "Extended Service Plan (ESP)" coverage category, and your Edge's CPO Powertrain generic covered- parts list should be...

 

Engine: Cylinder block and internal lubricated parts, seals and gaskets, the cylinder heads, manifold (exhaust, intake and bolts), factoryinstalled turbocharger/supercharger units, timing chain (gears or belt), fywheel, valve covers, oil pan, timing chain cover, oil pump, water pump, thermostat, thermostat housing. (Exceptions: fuel injection components are not covered.)

Transmission: Transmission case and all internal parts, including torque converter and transfer case (all internal parts), seals, gaskets and transmission control module.

Front-Wheel Drive: Front drive housing and rear axle housing for AWD (including all internal parts), universal and constant velocity joints, axle shafs, locking rings (four-wheel-drive vehicles), seals and gaskets, and automatic front locking hubs (four-wheel drive).

Rear-Wheel Drive: Drive axle housings and front axle housing for 4x4 (including all internal parts), universal and constant velocity joints, axle shafts, seals and gaskets, and driveshafts.

 

As dabangsta mentioned, a 5-hour coolant system pressure test exhibiting a 4 psi leak-down is among the TSB's necessary qualifying symptoms.

 

If you're a curious do-it-yourself owner -- or your dealer's Service scheduling is seriously backed up -- your neighborhood auto parts store may offer a cooling system pressure tester through their tool loaning program that may require a refundable deposit equal to the tool's full purchase price.

 

If that interests you, the following is Ford's procedure from the 2018 Edge Workshop Manual...

 

Cooling System Pressure Test

 

WARNING: Always allow the engine to cool before opening the cooling system. Do not unscrew the coolant pressure relief cap when the engine is operating or the cooling system is hot. The cooling system is under pressure; steam and hot liquid can come out forcefully when the cap is loosened slightly. Failure to follow these instructions may result in serious personal injury.

 

NOTE: Vehicles have a pressure relief cap on the degas bottle and no radiator cap.

1. Turn the engine OFF.

2. Check the engine coolant level and adjust as necessary.

3. Remove the degas bottle cap. Inspect the degas bottle cap and degas bottle for any issues that would cause improper sealing, such as for cross-threading, burrs, damaged o-ring, etc. If any issues are found, INSTALL a new cap and/or degas bottle.

4. Attach the Pressure Tester (Stant 12270 or equivalent) and adaptor (Snap-On TA53 or equivalent), to the degas bottle cap. The cap must hold pressure of 145 kPa +/- 21 kPa (21 PSI +/- 3 PSI). If any issues are found, INSTALL a new cap.

5. Attach the Pressure Tester (Stant 12270 or equivalent) and adaptor (Snap-On TA52, AST ASSFZ-47, Redline RDL95-0750 or equivalent) to the degas bottle.

 

NOTICE: Do not pressurize the cooling system beyond the maximum pressure listed in the specifications table in this section, or cooling system components can be damaged.

 

NOTE: If the plunger of the pressure tester is pressed too fast, an erroneous pressure reading will result.

6. To pressurize the engine cooling system, slowly press the plunger of the pressure test pump and increase the pressure to between 124 - 138 kPa (18 - 20 PSI). Observe the gauge reading for approximately 2 minutes. Pressure should not drop during this time. If the pressure drops within this time, inspect for leaks and repair as necessary.

7. Allow the vehicle to sit for a minimum of 5 hours, or overnight.

NOTE: 2-4 psi of pressure drop is normal and expected after engine cool down.

8. If the pressure drops more than the expected range of 2-4 psi and no leaks are found and the pressure drops, the leak may be internal to the engine. Inspect the coolant for engine oil and the engine oil for coolant.
   REFER to: Engine (303-00 Engine System - General Information, Diagnosis and Testing).

9. If the pressure does not drop, remove the cooling system Pressure Tester and adaptor from degas bottle.

10. Install the degas bottle cap until it contacts the hard stop.

 

And finally, before your Edge reaches its CPO 100,000 mile Powertrain coverage limit, you have the opportunity to renew with FordProtect PowertrainCare coverage without any inspection requirement.

 

Document download links>

Cooling System Pressure Test - 2018 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf

Ford Certified Pre-Owned (CPO) Consumer Brochure - October 2018.pdf

FordProtect PowertrainCARE Brochure - October 2022.pdf

 

Good luck!

 

[garypender]

I got the dreaded bad news from the dealership. 2016 Edge 2.0 Ecoboost with only 67,200 miles has coolant leaking into the engine and will need to be replaced. This adds to the list of many failures with this car. Drivers side power door/window control module ,sunroof motor, 2 flex plates and torque converter, liftgate control module, and backup camera have all needed to be replaced since we bought the car. This car loves being in the shop more than being on the road?

[dabangsta]

While the coolant intrusion issue would be more than enough to make me not like a vehicle, the previous issues you have suffered up to the point would make it tough to keep a vehicle.

 

I have had my share of vehicles with known issues that I have had to rectify (1989 Cougar 3.8 head gaskets, 2000 Grand Marquis intake manifold), my 2017 Escape with the 1.5 and similar (more prevalent) issue as your 2.0 made me question taking it on longer trips (what it was bought to do), or the 3.5 in my 2012 Fusion and the internal water pump (it is my beat around car so less worried, but still don't want to have any problems).

 

I purposely looked for a 2019 or newer Edge (with a new and exciting EGR failure to replace the engine block issue) for that reason. We'll see how everything else goes, it had already suffered the EGR failure and been fixed before I bought it.

[Dawgster]

Great info on this thread, I have a 2017 edge with 52,000 with the dreaded coolant intrusion issue. No warranty. 

I barely put 100 miles on it in week, so watching the coolant tank is not a problem for me.

The car runs fine, sometimes a slight stutter at startup and fuel economy is down <10%.

But my question is:

Will this crack get bigger and cause the performance and drivability to worsen?

 

Can't afford a 8k repair at this time, thinking of driving it for a couple of years than trade it in.

 

Thanks in advance

Dawg

[1004ron]

42 minutes ago, Dawgster said:

But my question is:

Will this crack get bigger and cause the performance and drivability to worsen?

Welcome and sorry to hear of your predicament.

 

Yes, most certainly - just can't predict at what rate it will worsen.

 

My friend used a reputable independent and a Ford re-manufactured engine - cant recall the amount but it was less that $8K.

 

Have you been in touch with Ford Corp.?