wolfsnout21 Posted November 7, 2023 Report Share Posted November 7, 2023 After fueling on Friday my car would not start. Took about 10 tries before it started up. Next day I get my check engine light, a farting noise from the back of the car. My oil level was low so we added oil and the noise stopped. Tuesday it started idling hard and shaking when at a stop. RPM meter was moving up and down but still stayed below 1 rpm. Code it’s throwing is P1450. Autozone suggested part is the vapor canister. Online I’m seeing it code be the purge valve, or the valve solenoid. Can’t seem to find just the valve online without all the hoses. Anyone know the part # or if I’m even correct on thinking it’s the purge valve? Thanks car got a new engine at 115k miles, now has 152k if that matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabangsta Posted November 7, 2023 Report Share Posted November 7, 2023 Common failure on the 2.0, usually purge valve. There are ways to test it (I am sure some of your search results for it include videos on how to test it). It generally is all replaced, some of the harder lines are heat pressed into the valve, and better/easier to replace the entire valve and hoses that are connected to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabangsta Posted November 7, 2023 Report Share Posted November 7, 2023 If the 2.0 (not sure it is, since this failure is common for the 3.5 as well) you can find the valve separately if you can deal with the hard plastic hose off of it (some heat it up to soften it to remove, and then to go on the new valve). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haz Posted November 9, 2023 Report Share Posted November 9, 2023 From the 2016 Edge Workshop Manual... Document download links> Evaporative Emission Canister Purge Valve - Removal and Installation - 2.0L EcoBoost - 2016 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Evaporative Emission Canister Vent Solenoid - Removal and Installation - 2.0L EcoBoost - 2016 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Evaporative Emission Canister - Removal and Installation - 2.0L EcoBoost - 2016 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Quick Release Coupling - General Procedures - 2.0L EcoBoost - 2016 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Evaporative Emission Canister Purge Valve - Removal and Installation - 3.5L Duratec - 2016 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Evaporative Emission Canister Vent Solenoid - Removal and Installation - 3.5L Duratec - 2016 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Evaporative Emission Canister - Removal and Installation - 3.5L Duratec - 2016 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Quick Release Coupling - General Procedures - 3.5L Duratec - 2016 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Good luck! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfsnout21 Posted December 5, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2023 Thanks for those responses guys it helped. We changed out the purge valve and all symptoms went away and after a few days the code cleared on its own. Unfortunately when I got gas a few days ago I had another hard start issue. Wasn't as bad this go around. But the engine light came back on today with the same exact code, showing I need a new evap canister. Any insight? Should we go ahead and replace the canister or could it be something else? Note: I don't have a gas cap, just the flap you push in. My dad has mentioned those can cause less of a seal on the tank. Not sure if that could be an issue at play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haz Posted December 6, 2023 Report Share Posted December 6, 2023 From... Document download links> Evaporative Emission (EVAP) Systems - Description and Operation - 2016 Gasoline - PC-ED Manual.pdf Evaporative Emission (EVAP) Systems - Enlarged System Illustration - 2016 Gasoline - PC-ED Manual.pdf PINPOINT TEST HX - EVAPORATIVE EMISSION (EVAP) SYSTEM AND MONITOR - 2016 Gasoline - PC-ED Manual.pdf EVAPORATIVE EMISSION (EVAP) PURGE VALVE - Connector C1196 Details - 2016 Edge.pdf PINPOINT TEST Z - INTERMITTENT PROBLEMS - 2016 Gasoline - PC-ED Manual.pdf Clear The Continuous Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTCs) And Reset The Emission Monitors Information In The Powertrain Control Module (PCM) - Diagnostic Methods - 2016 Gasoline - PC-ED Manual.pdf On Board Diagnostic (OBD) Drive Cycle - Diagnostic Methods - 2016 Gasoline - PC-ED Manual.pdf Good luck! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted December 6, 2023 Report Share Posted December 6, 2023 why was the oil level low? is it checked regularly? first time it was low or has it happened before? note that short tripping will cause a lot of oil to enter via the pcv system into the intake/engine and will be hard on engine life. maybe you should consider installing a catchcan. you can find related topics on this forum, including one from lildisco iirc. why was the engine replaced? hopefully you have a VEP engine now. some received Cleveland blocks ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfsnout21 Posted December 6, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2023 30 minutes ago, WWWPerfA_ZN0W said: why was the oil level low? is it checked regularly? first time it was low or has it happened before? note that short tripping will cause a lot of oil to enter via the pcv system into the intake/engine and will be hard on engine life. maybe you should consider installing a catchcan. you can find related topics on this forum, including one from lildisco iirc. why was the engine replaced? hopefully you have a VEP engine now. some received Cleveland blocks ... Not sure why it was low, we couldn't find any noticeable leaks, and yes first time that's happened. We added some oil in to get home then went ahead and did a full oil change. Oil levels have been fine in the weeks since the low oil. Engine was replaced because of a cylinder misfire. We tried to fix it ourselves replacing plugs and coils, light would go off then come back on so we eventually took it to a mechanic. Block was warped, head gasket blew, so they replaced it. Basically threw parts at it trying to fix it and it ended up becoming a bigger problem. Not entirely sure if its VEP I'll have to check paperwork. Small parts have been going out here and there, which I expect with the car having 160,000 miles. Just thought we solved the issue with the new purge valve and now I get the same code but without all the same symptoms. Thinking I may just take it in if we can't get it sorted soon, don't want another small problem to turn into a big one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieHudson Posted December 6, 2023 Report Share Posted December 6, 2023 You might be overfilling the tank when you gas up. Next fill up stop when the pump first clicks off and see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chikin23 Posted December 23, 2023 Report Share Posted December 23, 2023 We have a 2015 Edge SEL 2.0 that is showing code P1450. Anytime we put gas in the car struggles to start for a few minutes. Every video I’ve seen shows to replace the Purge Valve. We have done this (using part # F2GZ-9D289-A) and cleaned around the fuel fill tube but the problem persists. Is there something that we are missing or that we can try next? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfsnout21 Posted December 24, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2023 Anyone know how to get the purge balance hoses changed out? We’re replacing the valve, hoses, and air duct. There’s one hose the plugs in down deep into the manifold and we can’t get the clip to clip into place. We got it on the nipple, but can’t seem to secure it. Are we going to have to remove the big coolant hose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfsnout21 Posted February 1 Author Report Share Posted February 1 I've had trouble for a while with my EVAP system. We have changed the purge valve and the connected hoses, as well as the air intake the hoses connect to. I have no symptoms but its been a month and the light still wont go off. My personal scanner allows me to clear codes but not permanent codes, both of these show permanent codes. Any idea what else the issue could be? It's causing me to fail my emissions. Note: We had a mechanic tell us the issue was the purge valve/hoses and the air intake duct. Changed all those parts out, and the symptoms went away, light just never went off. Edit: keep it to one thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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