2015Edge2015 Posted August 7, 2023 Report Share Posted August 7, 2023 Driver side vents only blow ambient temp. NO cold AC air from it. But passanger side blows icy cold. Which actuator do I replace? And where is it located? Does anyone have a diagram of it? I know there's 2 actuators on the driver side and 1 on the passanger side. Help! Thxs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015Edge2015 Posted August 7, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2023 (edited) Driver side vents only blow ambient temp. NO cold AC air from it. But passanger side blows icy cold. Which actuator do I replace? And where is it located? Does anyone have a diagram of it? I know there's 2 actuators on the driver side and 1 on the passanger side. Help! Thxs. Also.... if I go to rockauto or others sites.... they show multiple actuators and valley them temp,mode,rec and blend. Becomes so confusing. I have the 2015 Edge 2.0L Titanium trim with dual climate auto control. If anyone can point directly to a link to the proper actuator, that would be amazing Edited August 7, 2023 by 1004ron Keep it to one thread !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015Edge2015 Posted August 7, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2023 Ahh thanks! The site was acting funny yesterday. Created a double post. Good to see it merged. Can anyone confirm this is the correct part? HVAC Heater Blend Door Actuator Compatible with 2007-2015 Ford Edge Lincoln MKX Left Main Temperature Replaces 7T4Z19E616B 604-239 (Left Main Temperature Actuator) https://a.co/d/aiOeDPD And those who did it , was it a hard job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015Edge2015 Posted August 7, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2023 Little update. This morning I noticed it blowing cold air. Do it's become intermittent. This started 3 days ago. Suspecting it's a failing temp blend door actuator. Also... about a year ago o fo recall doing the MODE actuator due to the vents not wanting to switch to windshield. They were stuck on front amd lower vents only. The mode actuator fixed the issue. But now for about 2 months now I haven't been able to switch to ground vents unless I do the system reset procedure that fixes it but once I play around to move the vents it fails again. Ever since this started happening I hear a click click sound when the car gets turned off. The typical clicking some people get when the hvac is acting up. What are the chances the mode actuator failed only after 1 year? I bought it off Amazon from Dorman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0LDSCHO0L Posted August 7, 2023 Report Share Posted August 7, 2023 Same Boat As You. Wife's Edge only blows cold through the passenger side. Hoping you get an answer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015Edge2015 Posted August 7, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2023 (edited) B10 8213 Got this code after doing the rest. First time it gives me a code. Anyone know what it points too? Also does anyone have the parts ID picture. I know there's 4 actuators. Trying to figure out which is mode, temp, Recirculation. Edited August 7, 2023 by 2015Edge2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015Edge2015 Posted August 8, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 8 hours ago, 0LDSCHO0L said: Same Boat As You. Wife's Edge only blows cold through the passenger side. Hoping you get an answer... Hehe. I'll let you know what I change. Hoping someone here provides the diagram to see the 4 actuators Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haz Posted August 10, 2023 Report Share Posted August 10, 2023 From the 2015 Edge Workshop Manual... Climate Control System - Dual Automatic Temperature Control (DATC) - Component Location Air Handling There are 4 door actuators that control the air flow into the passenger compartment: Air distribution Air inlet Driver side temperature Passenger side temperature All of the door actuators contain a reversible electric motor and a potentiometer. The potentiometer circuit consists of a 5-volt reference signal connected to one end of a variable resistor, and a signal ground connected to the other. A signal circuit is connected to a contact wiper, which is driven along the variable resistor by the actuator shaft. The signal to the FCIM from the contact wiper indicates the position of the actuator door. The FCIM powers the actuator motors to move the doors to the desired positions. The desired door positions are calculated by the FCIM based on the set temperature, in-vehicle temperature, ambient air temperature and sunload. When an airflow mode, desired driver or passenger temperature, fresh air, or recirculation mode is selected, the FCIM moves the actuator motor in the desired direction. The FCIM sends a PWM signal to the blower motor speed control to regulate the blower speed as necessary. The blower motor speed control provides variable ground feed for the blower motor based on the input from the FCIM . A delay function provides a gradual increase or decrease in blower motor speed under all conditions. AUTO When AUTO is selected: the HVAC system operates in a manner to achieve and maintain the temperature set by the operator. the driver and passenger side temperature doors are automatically controlled by the FCIM based on the temperature setting. the A/C compressor is automatically controlled by the PCM from information sent by the FCIM , based on the temperature setting. The A/C compressor operates as long as the outside temperature is above approximately 0°C (32°F). the blower motor speed is automatically controlled through the blower motor speed control that receives a PWM signal from the FCIM based on the temperature setting, but can be manually overridden. the FCIM controls the air inlet door to recirculate, partially recirculate or open to the fresh air position depending on the in-car temperature and humidity sensor inputs. OFF When OFF is selected: the air inlet door closes, preventing outside air and allowing only recirculated air. the blower motor is off. MAX A/C When MAX A/C is selected: the air inlet door closes, preventing outside air and allowing only recirculated air. the recirculated air indicator is illuminated (recirculated air forced on). the footwell vent doors and defrost vent/register doors operate in combination to direct airflow to the instrument panel registers. the temperature doors move to the full cool position. Air temperature can be manually overridden. the A/C button is illuminated. the A/C compressor operates as long as the outside temperature is above approximately 0°C (32°F). the blower motor is commanded to the highest speed. The blower motor speed is adjustable. PANEL When PANEL mode is selected: the recirculated air request button is enabled. If the recirculated air request button is selected (indicator on), the air inlet door closes, preventing outside air from entering the passenger compartment. If the recirculated air request button is not selected (indicator off), the air inlet door opens, allowing only outside air into the passenger compartment. the footwell vent doors and defrost vent/register doors operate in combination to direct airflow to the instrument panel registers. blended air temperature is available. Only when A/C compressor operation has been selected by pressing the A/C button (indicator on) can the airflow temperature be cooled below the outside air temperature. the blower motor is on and the speed is adjustable. PANEL/FLOOR When PANEL/FLOOR mode is selected: the recirculated air request button is enabled. If the recirculated air request button is selected (indicator on), the air inlet door closes, preventing outside air from entering the passenger compartment. If the recirculated air request button is not selected (indicator off), the air inlet door opens, allowing only outside air into the passenger compartment. the air distribution doors operate in combination to direct airflow to the floor duct and the instrument panel registers. A small amount of airflow from the side window demisters and defrost duct is present. blended air temperature is available. Only when A/C compressor operation has been selected by pressing the A/C button (indicator on) can the airflow temperature be cooled below the outside air temperature. the blower motor is on and the speed is adjustable. FLOOR When FLOOR mode is selected: the recirculated air request button is enabled. If the recirculated air request button is selected (indicator on), the air inlet door closes, preventing outside air from entering the passenger compartment. If the recirculated air request button is not selected (indicator off), the air inlet door opens, allowing only outside air into the passenger compartment. the air distribution doors operate in combination to direct airflow to the floor duct. A small amount of airflow from the defroster duct and side window demisters is present. blended air temperature is available. Only when A/C compressor operation has been selected by pressing the A/C button (indicator on) can the airflow temperature be cooled below the outside air temperature. the blower motor is on and the speed is adjustable. FLOOR/DEFROST When FLOOR/DEFROST mode is selected: the recirculated air request button is enabled. If the recirculated air request button is selected (indicator on), the air inlet door closes, preventing outside air from entering the passenger compartment. If the recirculated air request button is not selected (indicator off), the air inlet door opens, allowing only outside air into the passenger compartment. the air distribution doors operate in combination to direct airflow to the floor duct, the defroster duct and the side window demisters. blended air temperature is available. Only when A/C compressor operation has been selected by pressing the A/C button (indicator on) can the airflow temperature be cooled below the outside air temperature. the blower motor is on and the speed is adjustable. MAX DEFROST When MAX DEFROST mode is selected: the recirculated air request button is disabled. The air inlet door opens, allowing only outside air into the passenger compartment. the air distribution doors operate in combination to direct airflow to the defroster duct and side window demisters. A small amount of airflow from the floor duct is present. the A/C is turned on in defrost mode. The A/C compressor operates as long as the outside temperature is above approximately 0°C (32°F). the temperature is set to the highest setting and is not adjustable. the fan is set to the highest speed and is not adjustable. MAX DEFROST can be exited by pressing the AUTO button. Climate Control System - Dual Automatic Temperature Control (DATC) - Front Controls Interface Module (FCIM) to Air Flow Door Actuators - Wiring Diagram Climate Control System - Electronic Manual Temperature Control (EMTC) - Component Location Air Handling There are 3 door actuators that control the air flow into the passenger compartment: Air distribution Air inlet Temperature All of the door actuators contain a reversible electric motor and a potentiometer. The potentiometer circuit consists of a 5-volt reference signal connected to one end of a variable resistor, and a signal ground connected to the other. A signal circuit is connected to a contact wiper, which is driven along the variable resistor by the actuator shaft. The signal to the FCIM from the contact wiper indicates the position of the actuator door. The FCIM powers the actuator motors to move the doors to the desired positions. The desired door positions are calculated by the FCIM based on the set temperature, in-vehicle temperature, ambient air temperature and sunload. When an airflow mode, desired temperature, fresh air, or recirculation mode is selected, the FCIM moves the actuator motor in the desired direction. The FCIM sends a PWM signal to the blower motor speed control to regulate the blower speed as necessary. The blower motor speed control provides variable ground feed for the blower motor based on the input from the FCIM . A delay function provides a gradual increase or decrease in blower motor speed under all conditions. OFF When OFF is selected: the air inlet door closes, preventing outside air and allowing only recirculated air. the blower motor is off. MAX A/C When MAX A/C is selected: the air inlet door closes allowing only recirculated air. the recirculated air indicator is illuminated (recirculated air forced on). the footwell vent doors and defrost vent/register doors operate in combination to direct airflow to the instrument panel registers. the temperature door moves to the full cool position. Air temperature can be manually overridden. the A/C button is illuminated. the A/C compressor operates if the outside temperature is above approximately 0°C (32°F). the blower motor is commanded to the highest speed. The blower motor speed is adjustable. PANEL When PANEL mode is selected: the recirculated air request button is enabled. If the recirculated air request button is selected (indicator on), the air inlet door closes, preventing outside air from entering the passenger compartment. If the recirculated air request button is not selected (indicator off), the air inlet door opens, allowing only outside air into the passenger compartment. the footwell vent doors and defrost vent/register doors operate in combination to direct airflow to the instrument panel registers. blended air temperature is available. The airflow temperature is only cooled below the outside air temperature when the A/C is commanded on. the blower motor is on and the speed is adjustable. PANEL/FLOOR When PANEL/FLOOR mode is selected: the recirculated air request button is enabled. If the recirculated air request button is selected (indicator on), the air inlet door closes, preventing outside air from entering the passenger compartment. If the recirculated air request button is not selected (indicator off), the air inlet door opens, allowing only outside air into the passenger compartment. the air distribution doors operate in combination to direct airflow to the floor duct and the instrument panel registers. A small amount of airflow from the side window demisters and defrost duct is present. blended air temperature is available. The airflow temperature is only cooled below the outside air temperature when the A/C is commanded on. the blower motor is on and the speed is adjustable. FLOOR When FLOOR mode is selected: the recirculated air request button is enabled. If the recirculated air request button is selected (indicator on), the air inlet door closes, preventing outside air from entering the passenger compartment. If the recirculated air request button is not selected (indicator off), the air inlet door opens, allowing only outside air into the passenger compartment. the air distribution doors operate in combination to direct airflow to the floor duct. A small amount of airflow from the defroster duct and side window demisters is present. blended air temperature is available. The airflow temperature is only cooled below the outside air temperature when the A/C is commanded on. the blower motor is on and the speed is adjustable. FLOOR/DEFROST When FLOOR/DEFROST mode is selected: the recirculated air request button is enabled. If the recirculated air request button is selected (indicator on), the air inlet door closes, preventing outside air from entering the passenger compartment. If the recirculated air request button is not selected (indicator off), the air inlet door opens, allowing only outside air into the passenger compartment. the air distribution doors operate in combination to direct airflow to the floor duct, the defroster duct and the side window demisters. blended air temperature is available. The airflow temperature is only cooled below the outside air temperature when the A/C is commanded on. the blower motor is on and the speed is adjustable. MAX DEFROST When MAX DEFROST mode is selected: the recirculated air request button is disabled. The air inlet door opens, allowing only outside air into the passenger compartment. the air distribution doors operate in combination to direct airflow to the defroster duct and side window demisters. A small amount of airflow from the floor duct is present. the A/C is turned on in defrost mode. The A/C compressor operates as long as the outside temperature is above approximately 0°C (32°F). the temperature is set to the highest setting and is not adjustable. the fan is set to the highest speed and is not adjustable. MAX DEFROST can be exited by pressing the AUTO button. Climate Control System - Electronic Manual Temperature Control (EMTC) - Front Controls Interface Module (FCIM) to Air Flow Door Actuators - Wiring Diagram Document download links> Air Distribution Door Actuator - Removal and Installation - 2015 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Gateway Module A (GWM) - Removal and Installation - 2015 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Supplemental Restraint System (SRS) Depowering - General Procedures - 2015 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Driver Knee Airbag - Removal and Installation - 2015 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Supplemental Restraint System (SRS) Repowering - General Procedures - 2015 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Air Inlet Door Actuator - Removal and Installation - 2015 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf (Requires extensive disassembly of Instrument Panel and Floor Console not described in this document) Driver Side Temperature Door Actuator - Removal and Installation - 2015 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Brake Pedal and Bracket - Removal and Installation - 2015 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Stoplamp Switch - Removal and Installation - 2015 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Accelerator Pedal - Removal and Installation - 2015 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Passenger Side Temperature Door Actuator - Removal and Installation - 2015 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Temperature Door Actuator - Removal and Installation - 2015 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf TEMPERATURE DOOR ACTUATOR RH - Connector C2092 Details - 2015 Edge.pdf FRONT CONTROLS INTERFACE MODULE (FCIM) - Connector C2402A Details - 2015 Edge.pdf FRONT CONTROLS INTERFACE MODULE (FCIM) - Connector C2402B Details - 2015 Edge.pdf Front Controls Interface Module (FCIM) - Removal and Installation - 2015 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf From Climate Control System - Dual Automatic Temperature Control (DATC) - Diagnosis and Testing - 2015 Edge Workshop Manual... FCIM - DATC DTC CHART B1082:13 Right Temperature Damper Motor: Open Circuit This DTC sets when the module senses no voltage on the actuator motor circuit when ground is applied to drive the motor, indicating a open circuit. The motor can not move. The Temperature Control Is Inoperative Or Does Not Operate Correctly - Passenger Side Normal Operation and Fault Conditions - Temperature Door Actuator - Passenger side During an actuator calibration cycle, the module drives the temperature door until the door reaches both internal stops in the HVAC case. If the temperature door is temporarily obstructed or binding during a calibration cycle, the module may interpret this as the actual end of travel for the door. When this condition occurs and the module commands the actuator to its end of travel, the airflow may not be the expected temperature. Possible Sources Wiring, terminals or connectors Passenger side temperature door actuator FCIM PINPOINT TEST J: THE TEMPERATURE CONTROL IS INOPERATIVE OR DOES NOT OPERATE CORRECTLY - PASSENGER SIDE NOTICE: Use the correct probe adapter(s) when making measurements. Failure to use the correct probe adapter(s) may damage the connector. J1 CHECK THE PASSENGER SIDE TEMPERATURE DOOR ACTUATOR CIRCUITS FOR A SHORT TO VOLTAGE Ignition OFF. Disconnect FCIM C2402A. Disconnect FCIM C2402B. Disconnect Passenger side temperature door actuator C2092. Ignition ON. Measure: Positive Lead Measurement / Action Negative Lead C2092 Pin 1 Ground C2092 Pin 2 Ground C2092 Pin 3 Ground C2092 Pin 4 Ground C2092 Pin 6 Ground Is any voltage present? Yes REPAIR the circuit. No GO to J2 J2 CHECK THE PASSENGER SIDE TEMPERATURE DOOR ACTUATOR CIRCUITS FOR A SHORT TO GROUND Ignition OFF. Measure: Positive Lead Measurement / Action Negative Lead C2092 Pin 1 Ground C2092 Pin 2 Ground C2092 Pin 3 Ground C2092 Pin 4 Ground C2092 Pin 6 Ground Are the resistances greater than 10,000 ohms? Yes GO to J3 No REPAIR the circuit. J3 CHECK THE PASSENGER SIDE TEMPERATURE DOOR ACTUATOR CIRCUITS FOR AN OPEN Measure: Positive Lead Measurement / Action Negative Lead C2092 Pin 2 C2402A Pin 2 C2092 Pin 3 C2402A Pin 3 Positive Lead Measurement / Action Negative Lead C2092 Pin 1 C2402B Pin 13 C2092 Pin 4 C2402B Pin 18 C2092 Pin 6 C2402B Pin 14 Are the resistances less than 3 ohms? Yes GO to J4 No REPAIR the circuit. J4 CHECK THE PASSENGER SIDE TEMPERATURE DOOR ACTUATOR CIRCUITS FOR A SHORT TOGETHER Measure: Positive Lead Measurement / Action Negative Lead C2092 Pin 1 C2092 Pin 2 C2092 Pin 1 C2092 Pin 3 C2092 Pin 1 C2092 Pin 4 C2092 Pin 1 C2092 Pin 6 C2092 Pin 2 C2092 Pin 3 C2092 Pin 2 C2092 Pin 4 C2092 Pin 2 C2092 Pin 6 C2092 Pin 3 C2092 Pin 4 C2092 Pin 3 C2092 Pin 6 C2092 Pin 4 C2092 Pin 6 Are the resistances greater than 10,000 ohms? Yes INSTALL a new passenger side temperature door actuator. REFER to: Passenger Side Temperature Door Actuator (412-00 Climate Control System - General Information, Removal and Installation). TEST the system for normal operation. If the concern is still present, GO to J5 No REPAIR the circuit. J5 CHECK FOR CORRECT FCIM (FRONT CONTROLS INTERFACE MODULE) OPERATION Ignition OFF. Disconnect and inspect all FCIM connectors. Repair: corrosion (install new connector or terminals – clean module pins) damaged or bent pins – install new terminals/pins pushed-out pins – install new pins as necessary Connect all FCIM connectors. Make sure they seat and latch correctly. Operate the system and determine if the concern is still present. Is the concern still present? Yes CHECK OASIS for any applicable Technical Service Bulletins (TSBs). If a TSB exists for this concern, DISCONTINUE this test and FOLLOW TSB instructions. If no Technical Service Bulletins (TSBs) address this concern, VIN required to access Guided Routine (FCIM) No The system is operating correctly at this time. The concern may have been caused by a loose or corroded connector. ADDRESS the root cause of any connector or pin issues. Good luck! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishx65 Posted August 11, 2023 Report Share Posted August 11, 2023 I recently had to change out an actuator in a Taurus because I couldn't get the defrost vents to work. Major problem in the winter!!!! I was able to pinpoint which actuator it was by the clicking noise and getting my fingers on it. Unfortunately it was the upper actuator on the drivers side which was a bitch to get to. I made a little bed out of milk crates and a patio cushion so I could lay down and try to get the 3 screws out. Took me about 4 hours and I only got two screws back in. Had to go all MacGyver and make a couple extended 1/4" ratchet handles. My whole body was sore for a few days:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015Edge2015 Posted August 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2023 23 minutes ago, fishx65 said: I recently had to change out an actuator in a Taurus because I couldn't get the defrost vents to work. Major problem in the winter!!!! I was able to pinpoint which actuator it was by the clicking noise and getting my fingers on it. Unfortunately it was the upper actuator on the drivers side which was a bitch to get to. I made a little bed out of milk crates and a patio cushion so I could lay down and try to get the 3 screws out. Took me about 4 hours and I only got two screws back in. Had to go all MacGyver and make a couple extended 1/4" ratchet handles. My whole body was sore for a few days:) Hilarious. I got stiff today from fixing it yesterday! I can't move aswell but fixed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015Edge2015 Posted August 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2023 (edited) Thank you! Good info. What threw me off from that diagram [found it earlier] was the direction it's drawn. Thought the front of the vents were on the bottom of the pic. Turns the bottom is the front [towards hood]. But thxs for the info. I ended up diving in and fixed it. Took both actuators and open to inspect. Both were fine. [MODE and BLEND]. What was the problem was the HVAC flap doors were just very dry and I'm sure dusty on the hinges. I ended up spraying silicon lube and manually spinning the MODE gear to move the flaps to get the silicon moving. After a minute of that... it felt easier to turn. Put it back together and NO MORE clicking. But the warm air issue turned out to be LOW freon. Bought a recharge for 40$ and now it works like new! What a ride! Edited August 16, 2023 by 1004ron No need to quote EVERYTHING Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015Edge2015 Posted August 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2023 On 8/7/2023 at 9:14 AM, 0LDSCHO0L said: Same Boat As You. Wife's Edge only blows cold through the passenger side. Hoping you get an answer... Turned out to be LOW on freon. 40$ Autozone recharge bottle fixed it. The gadge read on the low side and filled it with 18oz bottle. Now cold air both sides. Apparently very common for duel zone AC systems when they go low on freon. You can try it and recharge. Might get lucky like I did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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