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What temperature do you have set? Ford sets 72 degrees (22.5C I think) to be a "neutral" temperature where most people will feel comfortable.

No need to test, it's true. The wiring diagram clearly shows all 4 powerpoints are hard wired to a hot circuit.

My wife's 2007 Mariner actually has one power point that stays on at all times and another one that turns off with the ignition. Don't know why the Edge isn't the same way, but it's probably something silly like load limits through certain relays.

We're not talking about hitting moose, or even seeing moose. We're talking about the times when AWD is the only thing that makes the difference between hitting the moose and not hitting the moose. That's where the 1 in a million comes from.

That's already been announced: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7-10385619-48.html https://secure.syncmyride.com/Own/Modules/Developer/Subscribe.aspx http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=31625 http://www.intomobile.com/2010/04/20/ford-opens-up-sync-developer-network-for-android-and-blackberry/

Nope, you can get the 8in touch screen without the Nav, but you have to get the 8in screen to get the Nav.

The Sync isn't really navigation. It's a service you call, which then downloads a set of directions to your car. So your car knows ONLY the exact directions that are downloaded. As soon as you make a mistake, miss a turn, encounter construction etc,, you must redial into the service, have it find you, then re-download an updated route. By the time all that happens, you are very lost. It also relies 100% on your phone, meaning if you forget your phone, out of batteries, no signal or talking with somebody on the phone means no Navigation. However the advantage of the Sync nav is that it's database can be kept up-to-date without expensive map updates, so it will always be current no matter how old your car is.

But my whole point is that AWD doesn't help you swerve. It only helps you accelerate while you're swerving, which is not the normal way to avoid a moose.

According to the shop manual it is true that the DRL is no longer programmable. I'm trying to find more detail about that.

Well you're right, I had never thought about that 1 in a million time when a moose is running at one's car, causing a swerve and acceleration at the same time, where the extra 2 inches the AWD might provide makes the difference between a miss and the moose grazing the rear bumper.

I don't think I said they offer NO safety benefit, just a very limited one, for a very high price. For the price of an AWD system you could add side air bags to a car that didn't have it, you could put on stability control 5 times over or you could get fantastically grippy tires, all of which I'm sure you would agree would provide much better safety value. Even better you could take an advanced driver safety training course for yourself and your whole family, and that would stay with you for every car you ever own.

Chuck, the Rev 3 contains data frozen by Navteq in July 2009, it does not mean that the software was released in July 2009. It takes a long time to verify the data and compile it into the proper formatting, thus the actual release of the Rev 3 was the spring of 2010.

Because it's expensive and wastes a lot of gas.

That's exactly what I'm saying. What kind of emergency maneuver includes using the throttle? No throttle = no benefit to AWD. Now to answer my own question, yes an expert driver can use the throttle to overcome a skid, but the number of people on the road that know how to do this and are trained to react that way in a real emergency is extremely small. Certainly the people who the auto companies are targeting with their AWD advertising are not capable of using this benefit.

I'm afraid you are grossly misinformed about the function of AWD, stability control or both. The AWD will never compensate for stability control. It can compensate for traction control, but that is not handling. Another way to compensate for traction control is to lift your right foot off the gas pedal. AWD only works when your foot is pressing on the gas, stability control works all the time. People have somehow misinterpreted AWD systems as enablers for better handling. Part of this comes from the fact that race cars with AWD always outperform 2WD competitors. It's not because they can actually take corners faster, it's because they can distribute the traction on corner exit among the 4 tires, allowing greater acceleration out of the corner. Some people might argue that this is technically "handling", but really it's just a different form of low-traction acceleration. The only way that an AWD system can improve handling is because the weight of the system will actually lower the CG of most vehicles. That can give an impression of better handling because of lower roll moments, but the extra weight itself isn't going to give you any additional grip.

AWD is the biggest scam the automobile industry has going on these days. "Piece of mind", "safety and security" is all a bunch of bull. AWD helps you get going faster in slippery conditions. It does a great job of doing that. But it can only help when you are actually putting power to the road. Braking, cornering, and straightline stability - the important things that actually make you feel "secure", are pretty much unaffected by AWD. I've been driving FWD through the last 15 Canadian winters and have never had any issues. Good snow tires are the key to safe and secure driving in the winter. AWD is certainly more fun and will make you feel like a king of the road as you blow everyone away from stop lights, but that feeling it gives you is a false sense of security. AWD also does a great job of removing the torque steer feeling of a FWD car, but I'd rather save the $1500 and gas mileage penalty and just hold the wheel tighter.

Don't get confused, Sync traffic and directions is not the same thing as Sirius Travel Link. However neither one is available in Canada. Has nothing to do with what sky one is under, it's all about who's providing data and licences and regulations and such. And Ford of Canada commercials are usually completely different from US commercials.

Wow, talk about opening themselves up to liability. The TPMS is a federally mandated safety system so if anything ever happened to you because of lack of TPMS, you could sue that dealer big time. That's like them telling you that you should unbolt your seatbelts.

Sounds great until you miss a turn, then it has to use your phone to call back up and get revised directions, which then have to be redownloaded to the car. By then you're already really lost. Better hope you don't make a wrong turn while you're talking on the phone or in an area with no phone service or if your phone battery is dead.

You can just turn the volume knob when the voice is talking. Works on the 2010 and the 2011.

Man if this is all you guys have found wrong, you should consider yourselves lucky. Don't bother going back to Ford yet, there isn't anything they can do until software updates start coming out. Consider yourselves Beta testers.

I have to side with akirby on this one, brake rotors do not suddenly warp and it does not affect stopping distance when they do "warp". While I don't dispute your account of the incident, I think it must have been something else. A piece of debris that got lodged in somewhere would cause vibrations and increase stopping distances. Removing the rotors and re-cutting them could knock the debris loose without the tech knowing it. But the weak brakes are a known concern with the Edge it's true. However it's not because of quality or durability problems, it's from fundamental hardware choices. A 2010 Edge with 10000 miles should brake exactly like a brand new 2010 Edge - that is not great, but perfectly safe. If yours doesn't, then it's because you're dealer hasn't diagnosed or repaired it properly.

Sounds like you subscribe to the "what I don't know won't hurt me" philosophy. The truth is cars get damaged in the plant and in transit all the time. The plant has an entire section dedicated to repairing paint problems and replacing glass. The fact that in this case the customer has actually seen the damage should make him feel better, at least he knows what to look for before accepting delivery.

There are so many different levels of software in the nav/radio system that it's no wonder you and the dealer are confused. The only thing you can get through the Sirius are Sirius updates. They do not in any way affect the GPS or phone/Sync system. The discs that cost $199 are map database updates and you should have to pay for them. But they are just data, it will not resolve any of the problems you are describing. The fundamental operating software of the system can technically be updated (through a different disc), but that is not available to dealerships, instead they are supposed to replace the unit. As for the brakes, vibrations are not failure. The transmission problems should be covered in a new TSB just published on 8/25. The moonroof rattle is a pain, so hopefully they can come up with a solution. But as you state, these are all fairly common problems. Why do you jump to the conclusion that just because a lot of common problems have happened on your vehicle, that out of the blue some crazy new problem is going to happen to?

Of all the changes in the 2011, the Vista roof is not one of them. The roof is exactly the same as the 2010, so if you are really anxious to check it out, just find a 2010.